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RE: 153 fish - 6/1/2008 11:06:38 PM
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we are talking about the gospel of john.
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RE: 153 fish - 6/2/2008 12:09:27 AM
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this is a salvation net. 153 1 is the FATHER 3 is JESUS and christians are in the net as a 5. you start off as a baby. 2. when you accept JESUS 2 plus 3 = 5 3 also symbolizes the truth. JESUS is the truth.
paul wanted to save everybody. 123. babies are in the net. 153 plus 123 = 276. guess how many were on the boat in paul's ship wreck story.
OK, one question - where is the biblical support for this idea?
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RE: 153 fish - 6/3/2008 11:28:04 PM
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PeterD, it may sound a little dinghy but yawl have to paddle...couldn't resist the puns... 
I'll walk on water instead and if I am engulfed along the way. Jesus will never leave me, He keeps His promises, I believe!
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RE: 153 fish - 6/4/2008 12:24:41 AM
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1 we should put GOD THE FATHER 1ST. in john it says "the FATHER AND I are one.
5 is born again christians. 2 are babies. i don't remember how i came to that conclusion. you can be 90 yrs\ of age and still be a baby if you haven't accepting JESUS. that's why paul said that some of you are still in diapers. everybody in the world is a 2 or 5. so when revelation uses a lot of sevens they are talking about people.
3 the most used no. in the gospels. 3, third,30, etc. used a lot in reference to JESUS. HE had a 3 yr. ministry which started when HE is 30. ressurection day april 9, 30 ad. 3 symbolizes the truth and JESUS is the truth. HE is born 3 bc.
so there you have my theory of 153 and it fits the picture. my goal is to inspire and encourage people to think. the reason revelation uses so many 7's is because basically revelation is a story of man's sin.
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RE: 153 fish - 6/4/2008 1:15:56 PM
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Do your numbers fit the narative or has the narative been arranged to fit the numbers?
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RE: 153 fish - 7/11/2008 10:48:02 PM
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in scripture 1 symbolizes the FATHER 2 BABIES 4 can go as 2plus 2 or 3plus1 3 JESUS 5 GOD'S saved children 6 a horrible sin = abortion 7 goes as 2plus5 8 eternity for saved children 9 HOLY SPIRIT 11 HOLY matrimony 12 horrible sin again 13 HOLY TRINITY 1PLUS3PLUS9 and 13 is the largest no. 153 = 100plus50plus3
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RE: 153 fish - 7/11/2008 11:01:56 PM
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lmwa931, I have no idea what you're talking about. Please provide biblical backing for your claims.
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RE: 153 fish - 7/12/2008 9:04:02 PM
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Is there any significance to John being specific about the number fish caught in John 21:11? If so, what is it?
John 21:10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you have just caught."
11 Simon Peter climbed aboard and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead.
thanks,
In the shadows:
100 is the church being the tithe of 1000 which is the king. The church is God's increase.
5 is man
10 is the dual natured man - most likely Christ
3 is God
So you have "Church ..man ... Christ .. God" in the context of Christ starting his church and reconciling men to God.
see http://idontknownuthin.com for more observations like this. I welcome lively disagreement and discussion as long as it is polite.
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RE: 153 fish - 7/12/2008 9:29:25 PM
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It's a common understanding among many theologians that the first time something is spoken of in scripture that that is the meaning given to that object, number, color, etc. But I'm not going to get into an argument with you. It's ok if they mean nothing to you, it has nothing to do with salvation.
Common? Common understanding? Common understanding among what kind of theologians? The Tim LaHaye/Hal Lindsay School of Make-It-Up-As-You-Go-to-support-your-flakey-ideas?
Well a quick search pops up these without working real hard:
Catholic:
http://members.tripod.com/~BobStanley/basic.htm
Baptist:
http://www.timeforthebible.org/studyguidelines.html
Fundamental:
http://www.kjvbible.org/exwords.html
Non-Denominational:
http://www.childtel.org/learning/define/first.htm
Grace Bible Institute and Seminary, Calabar, Nigeria.:
http://wwomi.19.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?p=452&sid=325ce594bc0dd5751c1f45ab797ffffe
Word of Truth:
http://www.wordoftruthclass.org/SSL%20Links/rightly_dividing.htm
Since the Chicago Statement on Biblical Hermeneutics was signed in the early eighties, many have become the self-appointed Inquisition on Biblical interpretation and attempt to enforce a strict literal-historical interpretation upon others by mocking them as this gentleman has.
I cannot imagine the motive of those who would seek to prevent others from seeing Christ in all the scriptures through shadows and types.
Bucer Institute [15]
Typology and orthodoxy (to deny typology is to deny that Christ is the end and fulfillment of the law [Rom. 10:4; Mt. 5:17- 20]; to deny typology is to take Christ out of the OT; to deny typology is to reject the apostolic way of reading and applying the OT)
The Reformers certainly opposed medieval allegory, but they did not object to typology per se; hence, Calvin writes, “All the ancient figures were sure testimonies of God's grace and of eternal salvation, and thus Christ was represented in them.”
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RE: 153 fish - 7/17/2008 9:43:03 PM
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The gammatria of 153 is Beni Elohim or sons of Elohim. They had the task of fishing for Yahweh's sons from amongst the nations. Numbers mean alot. Letters in Hebrew mean something unlike in our English language were the combination of our letters have meaning.
Jer. 16:16 I think is the key.
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RE: 153 fish - 7/20/2008 10:08:28 AM
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The gammatria of 153 is Beni Elohim or sons of Elohim. They had the task of fishing for Yahweh's sons from amongst the nations. Numbers mean alot. Letters in Hebrew mean something unlike in our English language were the combination of our letters have meaning.
Too bad this passage is written in Greek...
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RE: 153 fish - 7/21/2008 3:46:28 PM
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The language the book is written in has nothing to do with the 153 fish. The people are still Hebrew and the catch is still 153 no matter the language. Since they were given the task of being "fishers of men" and to restore the lost sheep of the house of Israel the # 153 is very significant as all letters and numbers are Hebraicly. It's just so happens that "beni Elohim" is the numerical equivalent of 153. If you don't know anything about the Hebrew language or have read something it will be hard to make the connection.
I wouldn't be too fast to knock what you don't know or understand. John was still a Hebrew, understood Hebrew... It was the # 153 that was significant. What we have to learn to do it look up the Hebrew out of the Greek.
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RE: 153 fish - 7/21/2008 4:32:18 PM
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Wow. One hundred and eleven posts, and I only know two things: the inerrant Word of God says they caught 153 fish, and right now I'm truly jonesing for some pan-fried trout. Carry on, boys...
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RE: 153 fish - 7/21/2008 9:41:12 PM
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The language the book is written in has nothing to do with the 153 fish. The people are still Hebrew and the catch is still 153 no matter the language.
If John was trying to make a Hebrew language connection here, why didn't he write the word for 153 in transliterated Hebrew? He did it with Peter's name, though that may have been in Aramaic. If he was trying to make the connection you allege, why aren't there any hints at it in the text?
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RE: 153 fish - 7/21/2008 11:43:56 PM
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Is there any significance to John being specific about the number fish caught in John 21:11? If so, what is it?
John 21:10 Jesus said to them, "Bring some of the fish you have just caught."
11 Simon Peter climbed aboard and dragged the net ashore. It was full of large fish, 153, but even with so many the net was not torn. 12 Jesus said to them, "Come and have breakfast." None of the disciples dared ask him, "Who are you?" They knew it was the Lord. 13 Jesus came, took the bread and gave it to them, and did the same with the fish. 14 This was now the third time Jesus appeared to his disciples after he was raised from the dead.
Of course there is. I apologize for dropping a hint and abandoning the thread for a while, I was a bit involved elsewhere. The solution comes by putting it back into the greater context. The problem with doing this is that as soon as you drift more than five or six verses away someone claims that it is out of context as though the Bible is not one whole and complete word of God.
The other complaint will be from those who do not believe in typology or that the scriptures intentionally have more than one meaning, as we have already seen in this thread.
Here is the greater context:
1. The largest context is that this part was written by the Holy Ghost whose primary message is to testify to the marriage of the Lamb, and that He and his bride have dominion and are fruitful and multiply.
2. The book of John is written in the voice of the prophet which uses symbols to speak of earthly things.
3. Verse 21:14 calls out attention to this being the third time Jesus revealed himself. This fits the Torah:Word pattern of God's revelation, He speaks and we are deaf, He works and we are blind, He offers life and we are lame. The first time he revealed himself, though he showed himself, He primarily spoke to them, and they heard. The second time you will find more of a focus on the word "see". The third encounter is the "life" encounter.
Now for the passage:
v. 1 Tiberias means 'river-God'. Since 'water' is a shadow of the word, and Christ is the Word. We are directed toward Christ revealing himself as the living Word of God
v. 2 Seven disciples were together. Seven is the number of the complete revelation of God in heaven and on earth and they represent all of the disciples in typology of their mission (to reveal Christ as God) as well as by quorum.
Of the seven we have named Simon Peter meaning "heard the Rock" since God is called a Rock and he heard that Jesus was the Son of God.
The word 'name' also means 'reputation' just as it does in English, so Thomas had a reputation for his dual nature, earthly and heavenly. His fleshly nature lead him to doubt. Nathanael means 'given of God' he was from Cana (place of reeds or stream) in Galilee (hinge of a door, or rod, meaning discipline). The sons of Zebedee means the result of my gift, and the other two represent the dual nature. Each description represents Christ as each disciple does in his mission.
v.3 They have 'heard' and 'seen' Christ, but they still do not 'live' Christ, and decide to go fishing. Now here's a problem. This is what they were doing before meeting Jesus. They have 'returned to their vomit'. When Noah enters the ark, it symbolizes death, and they have chosen death as they fish in the dark. They have been judged already because men love the dark. Working in the dark is a fruitless endeavor.
v.4 When the morning was come, the "Dayspring" was standing on the "rushing salt". But the disciples didn't know him. Hearing and seeing is insufficient to know Christ. We must have his life in us. They didn't know him.
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RE: 153 fish - 7/21/2008 11:45:01 PM
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v.5 Then he calls them children because He is calling them into his life. "Unto such as these..." He asks them if they have meat, or anything to eat with bread. And they answered No. Man does not live by bread alone. His body was broken for us, they had seen him twice. They believed in his resurrection. And though they had the Spirit breathed upon them, they had not yet become fruitful... they were fishing. The evidence of life is fruitfulness.
v. 6 Since goats go to the left and sheep to the right, the left side is the earthly side and the right side the heavenly side. They had apparently been fishing on the left side all night. Jesus reminds them of his initial call upon their lives by saying, cast the net on the right side.
In verse 4 it said "they did not lay hands on" the hands symbolize our work, just as the disciples had worked in the flesh all night. But now he says to 'cast' the net, that is to toss it without caring where it lands. Christ is responsible for the results of his net. It s the job of the disciples not to target the gospel to this or that group, but to cast it not caring where it lands... preach it to all people.
v.7 The last time Peter was in a boat and saw Jesus afar he asked to walk on water with him. Now when he hears it is Christ, he casts himself into the sea, not caring where he lands. He had been naked, which is a symbol of being abandoned. He girds himself with his fisherman's coat, as if to place himself back at the beginning, called to be a fisher of men. But recognizing he had denied Christ three times and was even now leading the disciples away from Christ to go fishing, casts himself into the sea just as Jonah faced judgment.
v. 8 The other disciples were not innocent, as they remained in the symbol of death, and they were not too far from land, or the earthly. They also were compromised by the flesh. They were two hundred cubits. A cubit is the measure of man. Two hundred is the dual natured church. They had measured the church by man's standard. They thought it was all a failure as they had gone fishing. And even now they were dragging the fish as off to judgment.
v.9 When the got to shore they saw the fire of coals, which when heaped on their head with good things, helps them to repentance. On the fire are fishes that Jesus miraculously produced and bread.. Asking if they had meat and then providing bread points to the meat offering of Leviticus. This is a fellowship offering with God. Now the bread is there... but man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God. The fish were there to remind them that the mouth of God had called them to be fishers of men. They could not live by the cross alone and be disobedient to His call upon their lives. If you love me, keep my commandments he says.
v.10 Since the fish now represent the other thing we eat, besides bread in order to live, He tells them to bring the whole catch.
v. 11 What the other disciples were unable to do (draw the net) Peter alone accomplishes. To him the keys to the kingdom had been given. And He alone would be told "feed my sheep". Now there were sufficient fish for all of the kingdom of heaven to have fellowship with God. When converting numbers, multiplication is addition, since God says to multiply and be fruitful, but adds to His church daily. 144 are for 2/3's of the children of Abraham. His children are called the dust of the earth, sand of the sea, and stars in the sky. The dust of the earth have no water:word of God and do not inherit the kingdom of Heaven. The sands of the sea are those who were near the water and washed by it. This is Israel represented by the twelve sons who were fruitful. The stars are the church represented by the twelve disciples who begat spiritual children. The remaining nine fishes are for God in the fellowship meal. Each person of the Godhead gets three, since each is fully God.
Jesus continues to teach Peter that he is to feed the sheep. What's he going to feed them? The 144 fish. And concludes by saying "Follow me" It is the walk that counts, not just the hearing and seeing.
I know this sounds foolish to some. So be it. I will happily answer questions, but will not entertain pure scoffing. I hope this blesses you.
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RE: 153 fish - 7/22/2008 12:25:25 AM
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The last time Peter was in a boat and saw Jesus afar he asked to walk on water with him. Now when he hears it is Christ, he casts himself into the sea, not caring where he lands.
That could also be because they were much closer to the shore this time around. They were easily within earshot of the shore - Peter, an experienced fisherman, would doubtless not be threatened by such a relatively short swim.
As for your idea of 144, taking 9 away from the number - where do you see this in the text?
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RE: 153 fish - 7/26/2008 8:31:47 PM
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Mr. Fribs, what is your take then? You seem to have the answer. Why 153?
I know what it alludes to and the text tends to support it but maybe you have a better explanation. I like to read. Peter's task as a fisherman was to catch fish. Since he hooked up with HaMoshiac, his task was to be a "fisher of men." Jeremiah tells us that YAH would send out fishers and hunters to gather His people Israel out of the nations.
Isn't this the task of His disciples? To preach the Kingdom of Elohim. Wasn't it Peter that asked Him in Acts if He was about to restore the Kingdom back to Israel? I tend to believe there is a strong connection. However, because the Bible isn't studied Hebraically it is hard to see this. We for the most part believe that Israel and the "church" are two separate entities, but they are not.
Anyway...let me hear your take, Biblical scholar!
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RE: 153 fish - 7/26/2008 8:51:29 PM
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Mr. Fribs, what is your take then? You seem to have the answer. Why 153?
Could it be that... There simply were 153 fish? Not everything in Scripture has to have some secret double meaning. The authors of the gospel were not writing in codes, they were recording the life of Christ.
I fear that, by finding hidden meanings in numbers and words, we will miss the real meaning the authors (and through them, God) was trying to get across, and add more than they meant to suggest.
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RE: 153 fish - 7/26/2008 9:00:10 PM
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Greetings MrFribbles! Rather, thank God that it was written in Greek so that all of the Roman Empire, that was literate, would be able to read it! For all of the European languages have Latin and Greek as the mother language including English. For it is written: he will dash them to pieces like pottery.
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The gammatria of 153 is Beni Elohim or sons of Elohim. They had the task of fishing for Yahweh's sons from amongst the nations. Numbers mean alot. Letters in Hebrew mean something unlike in our English language were the combination of our letters have meaning.
Too bad this passage is written in Greek...
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RE: 153 fish - 7/26/2008 9:02:23 PM
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Rather, thank God that it was written in Greek so that all of the Roman Empire, that was literate, would be able to read it! For all of the European languages have Latin and Greek as the mother language including English.
Oh, I have no problem with the NT being written in Greek. You misunderstood my tone! Rather, I was commenting on another post that was making a connection with the Hebrew language - something I felt inappropriate, given the language which this passage was written in.
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RE: 153 fish - 7/26/2008 9:05:19 PM
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Why the detail of 153? This could have been left out and stated that it was an enormous catch. I'll stick to my guns...Good hearing from you!!
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RE: 153 fish - 7/26/2008 9:06:38 PM
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Greetings! Neat! The Prophecy of Obedience to Christ's Command leads to The Millennium period where the number 9 represents The Messiah's Kingdom Reign at Jerusalem after the beast is an 8th king Word Of God in Revelation is fulfilled during the pre-Millennial period of the 7 years; and the number 144 multiplied by 1000 years is equal to the number of First Fruits purchased from among Judean Christians in fulfillment of the Feast of the First Fruits in the Law of Moses. All numbers, all languages, all things have meaning and are sustained by The Word of God as written, because God made them.
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The last time Peter was in a boat and saw Jesus afar he asked to walk on water with him. Now when he hears it is Christ, he casts himself into the sea, not caring where he lands.
That could also be because they were much closer to the shore this time around. They were easily within earshot of the shore - Peter, an experienced fisherman, would doubtless not be threatened by such a relatively short swim.
As for your idea of 144, taking 9 away from the number - where do you see this in the text?
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RE: 153 fish - 7/26/2008 9:14:00 PM
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Why the detail of 153? This could have been left out and stated that it was an enormous catch.
Do you believe every number in Scripture has a special meaning? There are some peculiarly accurate ones in the Old Testament, such as the lists in the construction of the Tabernacle, and a few of the censuses.
cyberjewls
What you are talking about there is from Apocalyptic literature - something with a great deal of symbolism inherent in its style. The gospel of John is not written in this style, so the same rules of interpretation do not apply.
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RE: 153 fish - 7/27/2008 12:08:47 PM
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Do you believe every number in Scripture has a special meaning? There are some peculiarly accurate ones in the Old Testament, such as the lists in the construction of the Tabernacle, and a few of the censuses.
This is just one in a long line of "Do you believe...'s.....
Do you believe that every law has meaning? Since we're not under the law, we can do without them...
Do you believe that every narrative history of the kings has meaning? They're just histories of ancient civilizations, they don't have to have meaning...
Do you believe that every Psalm has meaning? They're just songs by an old king, they don't apply to us...
Do you believe that every Proverb has meaning? They're so cryptic and some contradictory that God can't expect us to understand...
Do you believe that every story in the scripture has meaning? There are some peculiar ones in Judges we could do without...
Do you believe the every genealogy in scripture has meaning? There are some awfully lengthy boring ones we can do without...
Do you believe that every parable has meaning? There are some he didn't explain, so obviously he didn't want us to understand...
Do you believe that every word in scripture has meaning? God sure seemed to repeat Himself and put a lot of meaningless stuff in there...
Do you believe that every jot and tittle in scripture has meaning? Surely God doesn't care about dotting i's and crossing t's, we can dump a bunch of them..
I am not sure I would even want to read the Bible unless I thought there were things that I did not yet understand.
Sorry. I believe.
Anything not yet understood would look just like it was hidden until it was understood. Then it would look like it had been revealed.
Heb 11:6 ...for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
Why would anyone diligently seek the scriptures unless they believed there was something to be found?
Wasn't it a serpent that said something like "Do you believe God really said..."
If I err, I choose to err on the side of believing God too much. I can hear it now, "Bob, you know, I really didn't mean for you to think that you should live by every word that proceeds from my mouth by contemplating the meaning of 153 fish. There were just 153 fish. I think I'll throw you into hell for that."
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