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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 1/23/2008 2:10:10 PM
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lilyofthefield
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While I would allow nursing/midwifery students, I would NEVER allow a medical resident/student in with me for labour/birth. I hear ya there, Sarah!
Absolutely! I wouldn't mind nursing students, a training doula/midwife, or even a resident in the room (since if they are in residency they are actually planning to work in that field). However, there is no reason for med students to be there. DH is an MD - he went through med school (OB/GYN rotation and all). EVEN HE says there is no reason for med students to be there. He was disgusted by the sheer number of his classmates who looked at the OB/GYN rotation with a very perverse mentality.
If someone wants to be a plasic surgeon or something else, I don't see any reason they should be looking at my hoo ha. 
Oh... and in regard to my mom - I think if I can get her to wait to head up until I'm in labor I may be safe since it will take her at least 12 hours! If not, I will put our doula in charge of mom-control! 
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 1/23/2008 2:10:52 PM
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paulsbride
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I had a friend who (vaginally) delivered a near 13lb baby. The doctors weren't aware of the size of the baby before hand, but both my friend and the baby could have died (said the doctors, after the fact... not sure if there was a real medical reason or just "a big baby.")
The baby's shoulder was dislocated (or something) in order to get her out. Baby spent the first year of her life going to physio therapy to get back the use of that shoulder.
My question is: is a baby that size more "dangerous" to birth than a 9 or 10 lb baby?
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 1/23/2008 2:29:46 PM
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Royal.Fortress
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There's a few techniques to manage shoulder dystocia. HERE is a good breakdown of them all.
The Gaskin Maneuver is actually getting the mom on all fours ... here's the information from a study on it:
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The most significant observations of the study were the negative findings. No still births or neonatal deaths were reported. Not a single infant suffered Erb palsy, either transient or permanent, and no newborns experienced seizures, hemorrhage, hypoxic-ischemic encephalopathy, cerebral palsy, or fractured clavicle. No patients required any tocolytic medication during labor. No vaginal, cervical, or uterine lacerations occurred. No women required transfusions. And no cases of postpartum, ileus or pulmonary embolus were reported. Overall, the maternal complication associated with the use of the “Gaskin Maneuver” was 1.2 percent (one case of postpartum hemorrhage, transfusion not required), and the neonatal complication rate was 4.9 percent. . . None of these patients required any additional maneuvers. . . Not only was the Gaskin Maneuver instrumental in relieving shoulder impact in every instance, it is also a non-invasive procedure requiring only a change of maternal position.” The average time needed to assume the position and complete the delivery was 2-3 minutes, with the longest reported interval being 6 minutes. from HERE.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 1/23/2008 2:54:06 PM
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cynthia
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Cynthia...that sounds PAINFUL!!!!!
Yes. I never scream about anything and am not loud during labor. I screamed at the top of my lungs.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 1/23/2008 3:24:00 PM
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cynthia
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i BET!!!!! WOW......just the way you described it made me quirm sitting here in my chair!!!!
I'm sorry. I hesitated to post that here, but someone asked what kind of maneuver the midwives did. I was fine. Mr.P was fine. He did end up in hospital, but he was certainly no worse off than if he had been born in the hospital. In fact, I really don't know what would have happened if we were in the hospital for the birth.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 1/23/2008 4:05:04 PM
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Jenny-Fair
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Please do not use that term, Jenn. There are a number of women on this forum who actually were raped, and a c-section, while you may not agree with it, does not compare with that kind of horror and violence.
I disagree-these doctors, largely men, forced and coerced their way into the women's bodies basically for their own gratification. However, I will refrain from using the term in that way out of respect for you and others on this board.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 1/23/2008 4:21:18 PM
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LaurainAL
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And don't you dare question them because don't you know they would have DIED if their doctor had not intervened and you can't make them FEEL BAD for it...but the truth is, they were basically raped
Is your goal to make them feel bad? I understand that you feel strongly about the issue, but shouldn't your angst be against the Drs. and not the women?
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