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PrincessDonna -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 2:43:08 PM)

You know, I actually get some kind of strange amusement when I am told to push and I refuse to push on demand. Doctors and nurses don't like not being in control, but they can't force you to push either![8D]



Jenny-Fair -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 2:44:14 PM)

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You know, I actually get some kind of strange amusement when I am told to push and I refuse to push on demand. Doctors and nurses don't like not being in control, but they can't force you to push either!

Better Birthing Through Perverse Control Issues...Ok, I can get behind that.



clag4christ -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 3:31:43 PM)

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Last time I was told by a nurse that I couldn't push cause the dr wasn't on the floor yet, to which I screamed back..."My husband can catch...he knows how...now SOMEONE get down there!!!!"...the dr walked in the door right then....more like sauntered in the door....uuuggghh... You would THINK that by baby #4 I would KNOW my own body!!!!


That happened to a degree with me when I was in labor with Jael. I was feeling the very strong urge to push and the doctor on call was next door delivering a VBAC who'd been pushing for like an hour and a half. The nurses kept coming in and telling me that I had to wait. I kept telling them that I could not do that and I didn't care who delivered my Jael but that someone needed to get there quick becuase I know how to push! I did end up having to wait about 20 min. for a new doctor to come in and she got to see my first push (Jael started crowning)...then the on call doc came in and got her scrubs on in time to see my last two pushes. Jael was out in 15 min.



paulsbride -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 6:19:21 PM)

Haha - I definitely shouted... they told me the whole L&D floor could hear me [8D]
I'm going to work on that this time around[;)]



Jenny-Fair -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 6:22:46 PM)

You are going to work on it? So..they can hear you on the next floor? LOL I'd tell you to breathe from your diaphramg for maximum projection but I know from experience that that area is kinda busy at that time.



paulsbride -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 6:46:15 PM)

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You are going to work on it? So..they can hear you on the next floor? LOL I'd tell you to breathe from your diaphramg for maximum projection but I know from experience that that area is kinda busy at that time.


The next floor?? I was thinking of letting the McDonald costumers across the street hear me[;)]



Jenny-Fair -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 7:37:04 PM)

I think you should deliver at the local middle school. Make the kids think twice[;)]



paulsbride -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 7:45:40 PM)

haha - institute a new sex ed course[:D] do you think I could get paid for it?? Of course you'd get a cut, since it was your idea [;)]



Jenny-Fair -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 8:02:17 PM)

30% at least.



ChelseaRae -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 8:18:37 PM)

[sm=purplelaugh.gif]You guys crack me up!



HomeSpunLady -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 9:10:36 PM)

I had my best friend at Nadia's birth and she said it was the best birth control she'd ever have!



HomeSpunLady -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 9:15:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna

You holding your breath and pushing unnaturally (to the 10 count) can actually deprive the baby of oxygen. My last two, I have not let them check me until my body was already pushing the baby down on its own, and I refuse to push until I hear '10'. Both had pushing phases of less than 20 minutes, with me only pushing when I felt like I needed to. No one else is in your body at that moment, so how can they possibly know when you should be pushing??



Not to mention it makes you want to pass out! I hated it. When I could finally breathe my head was swimming. I only had to push three times, which was a God-send, since I had already been in labor for 20 hours.



Last time I had a dr. This time I found a practice that has CNM, what is the likelihood that I will have a more natural birth? Overall, are midwives more natural than drs? Even CNM's?

Do I need to find a doula?



peculiar_lady2 -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/18/2008 10:56:53 PM)

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Do I need to find a doula?

A doula is good if you feel that....
a....your hubby can't/won't step in on your behalf on things
b...your hubby or another family member or friend can't be there with you at the delivery
c...you want a more natural approach then the hospital is really comfortable with
d...you don't mesh well with the staff where you will deliver and you feel you will be pushed into things you don't want.



cynthia -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 12:40:42 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Eliana

Thanks for starting this thread! The other one, while it has some good info, was so dormant that I worried that anything I posted there would never be responded to.

I've got a question: as I posted in the pregnancy thread, there don't seem to be any birthing classes available where I live. [:o] I've asked my midwife and doctor and hunted online and there isn't anything.

How can my husband and I best prepare ourselves for birthing in the absence of any kind of class? We've ordered two books from Amazon: Husband Coached Childbirth by Bradley and The Thinking Woman's Guide to a Better Birth. Is there anything else we can do to prepare ourselves (apart from tons of prayer!)

I learned way more from books and other people than from the class we took.

With my last baby, having a home birth was important to me because I didn't think I'd make it to the hospital with the next one. I had to be taken by ambulance to the hospital with #2. When I got to the birthing room, the doctor smiled and told me to start pushing.

When we found out I was pregnant with our last baby, I told my husband that the baby would be born at home. I was not going through the hospital experience again. He thought that was a crazy idea and was amazed that it was even possible.

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ORIGINAL: Jenny-Fair

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it's good to know that a long labour can still be managed at home and have a good outcome.

I was in labor from Wednesday mid-day until Saturday at 4:20 a.m. when Nate was born. I WOULD have had another c-section if I had been laboring in the hospital, but in reality nothing was wrong...just a 10 pound baby sunny-side-up who took his time. I am so very glad I was at home. (the homebirth decision was made, at least at first, primarily because they wanted to force a second c-section on me due to having already had one-which was their fault to begin with!)

The home birth climate has changed radically for the worst in the state of Washington. I had a friend who wanted a VBAC, she could not have a home birth. It was either law or insurance, but it simply was not allowed. It was very difficult for her to even find a doctor that would consider allowing her to have a VBAC in the hospital, let alone a home birth. The good news is that she went into labor that went so fast by the time she got to the hospital the baby was crowning. The nurse told her to push and out came the baby.

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ORIGINAL: TammyIsBlessed

I know, but so far I haven't had a choice about being induced. So, if I HAVE to, what's better - pitocin or water breaking?

If you stay home, what are they going to do, come and get you or do you feel it is the right decision? I don't know what your situation is.


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ORIGINAL: Jenny-Fair

I think you should deliver at the local middle school. Make the kids think twice[;)]

Just about spit my brandy on the computer screen. That was funny.
I was helping my friend with her home birth and I called my mother to give her an up-date. My friend was moaning very low. My mother asked, "Did the V's get a cow? I can hear it in the background." "Uh, no, Mom, that's Jen." Mom sounded worried, "Is she okay?"



Jenny-Fair -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 1:40:14 AM)

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The home birth climate has changed radically for the worst in the state of Washington. I had a friend who wanted a VBAC, she could not have a home birth. It was either law or insurance, but it simply was not allowed. It was very difficult for her to even find a doctor that would consider allowing her to have a VBAC in the hospital, let alone a home birth. The good news is that she went into labor that went so fast by the time she got to the hospital the baby was crowning. The nurse told her to push and out came the baby.

I had a lay midwife, so she wasn't bound by any of those policies. We were very blessed to have her.



Room2Grow -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 1:43:57 AM)

I think that noise is good when pushing- as long as it is not out of control screaming. I know that I push better when I grunt and kind of let out a "nah" growly type sound at the end- I can feel the babies move more and dh confirmed that they move better with noise- all the nurses kept saying the "save your power" malarky, but really, I think it is just so the other women on the floor don't hear you!

Tammy- I'll pm you...



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 12:50:33 PM)

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This time I found a practice that has CNM, what is the likelihood that I will have a more natural birth? Overall, are midwives more natural than drs? Even CNM's?


There are good midwives and there are OB's disguised as midwives. [;)] And there are even a few midwives disguised as OB's. [:D] Check her stats (overall intervention rate, c-section rate, etc) to give you an idea of how she does on the natural birth front.

Cynthia, I didn't know you had a homebirth! Cool!



TammyIsBlessed -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 1:29:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cynthia
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ORIGINAL: TammyIsBlessed
I know, but so far I haven't had a choice about being induced. So, if I HAVE to, what's better - pitocin or water breaking?


If you stay home, what are they going to do, come and get you or do you feel it is the right decision? I don't know what your situation is.


So far my history has been....

#1 - full water break with no contractions. Went in and they checked me. Baby's head NOT engaged so they're worried about cord prolapse. After 8 hrs of no contractions I have to be induced.

#2 - water leak, no contractions. After 8 hr of no contractions, they induce with pit. After my water fully breaks I go from 3 - 10 cm in 1 hr.

#3 - water leak, go in but they say the leak resealed, go home. 10 days overdue a fetal assessment shows low amniotic fluid, they insist on induction. Given pitocin again. After my water fully breaks I go from 3 - 10 cm in 1 hr.

So - I've always had to be induced. If my water fully breaks I do not want to risk cord prolapse, especially because in subsequent deliveries, baby's head does not usually engage until labour begins. If it leaks I would perhaps be willing to wait a bit - but I would be worried about a full break happening and cord prolapse again.

With the history of the last 2 labours (very fast after full break), I was wondering if it would be better to induce with breaking waters or with pit.



cynthia -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 3:24:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TammyIsBlessed
With the history of the last 2 labours (very fast after full break), I was wondering if it would be better to induce with breaking waters or with pit.

Okay. Thank you for explaining. I wish I could be of help, but I don't really know anything about that kind of situation.

Yes, Maggie, I had a home birth with Mr.P. I cannot believe it's been eight years now. Unfortunately we had to take him to the hospital a few hours after he was born because of complications. He was in the hospital for three days. The complications had nothing to do with the home birth. He was 9 lbs 10oz. I am 5' tall. He had shoulder dystocia. He had fluid in his lungs.

The only thing about having a home birth was that when my baby had to stay at the hospital, we were not in together, as I had not been admitted, only he was. I stayed in a tiny little room that they had for parents to sleep in when their babies were in the hospital. Since it wasn't a hospital room per se, he was sleeping in the natal unit and I had to go see him. He also was not nursing for a couple of days. They had him on IV. I told them to wake me up when he was ready to nurse. The nurse tried to talk me into sleeping, since I was so tired. She said it would be better for my health if they gave him a bottle. [:@] I insisted they wake me, which they did. What a relief to finally nurse.

Dh put a sign on his bassinette, "ABSOLUTELY NO ARTIFICAL NIPPLES OF ANY KIND." The staff was a bit miffed with us over that, but they seemed to want to stick something in his mouth so bad that we didn't know what else to do. They wanted to take down the sign, but I wouldn't let them. I told the head nurse that anyone could come in that hadn't been on shift for days and not have any idea. I explained that we felt very strongly that he not be given anything to eat or have any kind of nipple in his mouth. She seemed okay after that, but the nursing staff was obviously offended. They were just so insistent and my husband could be there all the time. He felt he had to find a way to protect my from having to defend our decision all the time and to protect Mr.P when I was sleeping.



Jenny-Fair -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 3:40:07 PM)

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Dh put a sign on his bassinette, "ABSOLUTELY NO ARTIFICAL NIPPLES OF ANY KIND." The staff was a bit miffed with us over that, but they seemed to want to stick something in his mouth so bad that we didn't know what else to do.

We put a similar sign on Brandon's bassinett (he was in NICU and I was at a totally different hospital for 2.5 days and then not in any hospital, and thus only able to 'visit' for the rest of his 8-day stay) but they ignored it and absolutely ruined any chance we had of successfully breastfeeding--I tried for 3 months and then gave up. It caused a lot of problems besides that, too-the formula they gave him caused pancratic problems that they blamed on my breastmilk and then insisted on giving him concentrated formula..it makes me mad just to think of all that happened![:@]

I was only 17 and I learned so much from having Brandon...that I really wished that I had known before having him. Which is one major reason we had Nate at home, besides the fact that I knew they were going to insist on a c-section with him since I had had one with his brother.



cynthia -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 4:03:03 PM)

It's amazing what kind of contortions people will get into to avoid responsibility. In our situation, I was not always in the room, but I was in the hospital and could be there at any time. I am also obviously not going to put up with anyone overstepping their boundaries and made that abundantly clear. Furthermore, I was waiting to nurse and told them in no uncertain terms that they had better not make me wait any longer than absolutely necessary. On top of all that, I was 35 when Mr.P was born and had had two children already. My first hospital birth was not to my liking. The doctor was manipulative and mean. After that, I was very clear that people better not mess with me. I may be little, but I'm feisty. [;)] I just don't mess around when it comes to my kids and when a person is older, like I was, it's much easier to make sure you are not walked on than it is when they have no respect for you due to youth, which I think is a lot of what happened in your situation. They looked upon you as a child who didn't have a clue. Grrrr. I wish I had been there with you! They wouldn't have liked me very much.



Jenny-Fair -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 4:09:53 PM)

I wish you had been there, too, and for more reasons than that! I hate to tell you this, though-you were 2x the age I was when I had Brandon, when you had Perry...but when I had Brandon, you had not had your 1st two birth experiences, lol, so maybe you wouldn't have been the help you would have been...ok, my head is starting to hurt[&:]

They would only let me nurse him for 10 minutes, too, and then insisted on giving him a bottle because he was still hungry. Well, duh [8|] Preemie baby, c-section mom..obviously ten minutes is not going to cut it!

Made me even madder when I later found out a couple of things: They had bili blankets in a drawer that they never offered, but would not allow me to hold him more than 10 minutes every 3 hours because they wanted him under the lights AND they were doing THE famous 'kangaroo care' study in that NICU when Brandon was there...but he was in the control group and so specifically they did NOT want me to do all the things that would have been good for him and that came naturally to me[:(]



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 10:37:58 PM)

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I had my best friend at Nadia's birth and she said it was the best birth control she'd ever have!


LOL - even though my sister's birth wasn't the best experience (from my POV) I left wanting to experience that myself and have a baby MORE!!! I guess I'm a weird one!



3cappuccinosmom -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/19/2008 11:05:17 PM)

My sister's keep missing my births. [8D] The middle one really, really wanted to see a birth and just has never made it in time.



EmilyAnn -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (1/20/2008 12:18:28 AM)

My sister is 18 and is still not sure if she wants to be in the room for the birth. She is coming with us for our sonogram on Wednesday and she is excited about that. She will be at my house during the birth and I will let her decide how much of it she wants to see. I definitely want her to be one of the first few people to hold the baby.



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