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HomeSpunLady -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (9/14/2008 12:40:41 PM)

Thank you WOF, that mother guilt is so strong sometimes.



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (9/14/2008 4:37:24 PM)

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It's okay to joke...but a lot of people think that it was a total myth to have boiling water...and it wasn't. So I just figured I'd point out some of the why's.


LOL - we didn't have to have boiling water for our homebirth!! I don't know if that's because everything our midwives used is covered by the province and they therefore have sterile supplies just like in the hospitals ... hmm ... I'll have to ask!



W.O.F. -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (9/20/2008 9:05:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Royal.Fortress

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It's okay to joke...but a lot of people think that it was a total myth to have boiling water...and it wasn't. So I just figured I'd point out some of the why's.


LOL - we didn't have to have boiling water for our homebirth!! I don't know if that's because everything our midwives used is covered by the province and they therefore have sterile supplies just like in the hospitals ... hmm ... I'll have to ask!

Probably because today is today..and you can get your stuff sterilized and seal it in special containers to keep it that way...but 50 years ago that was not the case. Even doctors boiled their stuff when attending a homebirth way back then.



Royal.Fortress -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (9/20/2008 1:41:16 PM)

Oh I know!! I'm a nurse, so I learned all about the ways they used to do things! [:D][8D]



uponeagleswings -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/19/2008 12:18:31 AM)

Advice needed for a friend:
My friend is going to be induced at 36 weeks (baby has spina bifida and dr's agreed to try an induction instead of the usual automatic c-section). This is her second- she had her first one naturally, and was actually planning a homebirth this time around before they found out about the SB. She is wanting to go as naturally as possible (ie no epidural), and is pretty crunchy already. Any good advice that I can give her to put in her birth plan? I already mentioned having the pitocin turned off as soon as contractions are established. I don't know for sure but I assume she will be on a monitor for the baby.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/20/2008 4:53:09 PM)

I don't know, Stacy, but I have prayed for your friend and her baby.

If anyone has Discovery Health, there is a special on tomorrow night (9 EST, I think) on unassisted childbirth.



W.O.F. -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/20/2008 7:47:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: uponeagleswings

Advice needed for a friend:
My friend is going to be induced at 36 weeks (baby has spina bifida and dr's agreed to try an induction instead of the usual automatic c-section). This is her second- she had her first one naturally, and was actually planning a homebirth this time around before they found out about the SB. She is wanting to go as naturally as possible (ie no epidural), and is pretty crunchy already. Any good advice that I can give her to put in her birth plan? I already mentioned having the pitocin turned off as soon as contractions are established. I don't know for sure but I assume she will be on a monitor for the baby.

Just make sure she asks them NOT to push the pitocin to speed up the contractions...she may need to stay on the drip to maintain them...but she can request that they not speed up labor.

I know lots of women who have been induced who have avoided using an epidural...she just needs to be upfront and tell them that she will TELL them if she needs pain meds...and that she would appreciate them not pushing them on her.



Room2Grow -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/21/2008 8:37:05 AM)

My first birth was natural, no drugs of any kind. My second was induced b/c of placental abruption. I had no pain meds, and actually had a much.easier.labor. Things that helped it go smoothly (imo)...
*Evening Primrose Oil- in her case, I think I would start at 33 weeks to help get the cervix ready.
*Relaxing completely- I was able to relax so well that I was *truly* not in any pain until after 8 cm.
*Sleep- when they hook up the Pit- SLEEP- the first few hours are slow, and more rest means more mental aptitude to weather the storm.
*Also slow- my nurse misunderstood my doc and turned up the pit at lower intervals than he meant (which was actually a little annoying cause I was like...okay people, ready for labor, lets get going...) If my contractions got too hard, I would have asked them to turn down/off the pit- if her body takes over, there is no reason to continue the drugs
*Water breaking- at 5-6 cm, they broke my water and my body took over completely- within ten minutes, the Pit was completely off and I was "natural" from there on out.
*Of course having massage/pressure/touch start before contractions helps block the pain (your body can only take so much sensory info, so if the "good feeling" hits the brain first, only some of the "bad feeling" can get there- the rest is blocked)

Hope that helps- feel free to pm me if she has any more questions!



clag4christ -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/21/2008 10:17:34 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna

I don't know, Stacy, but I have prayed for your friend and her baby.

If anyone has Discovery Health, there is a special on tomorrow night (9 EST, I think) on unassisted childbirth.



The show is called Freebirthing. I've already got it ready for DVR, lol! [;)][:)]



PrincessDonna -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/21/2008 10:28:24 AM)

Thanks! I couldn't remember the name and was too lazy to look it up. LOL



clag4christ -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/21/2008 11:02:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna

Thanks! I couldn't remember the name and was too lazy to look it up. LOL

LOL! I'm excited about it! I'm meeting with my prospective Doula on Nov. 5th. I'm still trying to win Joel over. She costs $600 and he doesn't want to have to pay that out of pocket. And it's not likely that our insurance will cover it. But I don't want to have an epidural this time. I think Joel is concerned that we'll pay for the Doula and I'll end up with the epi. anyway. We'll see...



clag4christ -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/21/2008 10:04:17 PM)

What did ya'll think of "Freebirthing" tonight? It was very eye opening.



Sideways -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/21/2008 10:09:26 PM)

I only watched the second half, and honestly, it freaked me out.

I was scared for the babies and mommas. Please understand, I support a woman's right to homebirth and I think midwives are a godsend, but I was surprised by my own reaction to the freebirthing special.

I did like that the OB at the end talked about how if more women didn't feel so disenfranchised, they would be more comfortable having assisted homebirths. I got the impression that homebirths with a midwife are more accepted in the UK.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/21/2008 10:16:57 PM)

That one woman was very uneducated...not knowing how long the baby could go without breathing (20 minutes!!![sm=icon_smile_yikes.gif]) or if cutting the cord would hurt the baby or not. I'm all for women choosing how they want to birth, but for crying out loud...get educated!

I do think restrictions should be lifted on homebirths. If people are going to do it anyway, they might as well be able to have midwives there legally. Friends of ours who had a homebirth had to lie in order to do it...dad had to sign the birth certificate saying he caught the baby, and if anything had gone wrong, the midwife was just "a friend who happened by". C'mon...that's ridiculous.



clag4christ -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/21/2008 10:30:55 PM)

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That one woman was very uneducated...not knowing how long the baby could go without breathing (20 minutes!!! ) or if cutting the cord would hurt the baby or not. I'm all for women choosing how they want to birth, but for crying out loud...get educated!


Yes, she was upsetting.


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I do think restrictions should be lifted on homebirths. If people are going to do it anyway, they might as well be able to have midwives there legally. Friends of ours who had a homebirth had to lie in order to do it...dad had to sign the birth certificate saying he caught the baby, and if anything had gone wrong, the midwife was just "a friend who happened by". C'mon...that's ridiculous.


I was very upset by that doctor that 'attended' that same "uneducated" girl for her placenta. In fact, Joel and I were both upset. He was chastizing her for having an unassisted homebirth instead of helping her with some pitocin to get her placenta free.

I rather enjoyed the program. The only woman I was concerned for was the redhaired girl we're talking about.

I thought the midwife in the beginning likening 'reading up' on childbirth to 'reading up' on skydiving was pretty upsetting. I mean seriously...women are made to give birth. We as humans aren't made to skydive. Duh.



Sideways -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/21/2008 10:40:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
I mean seriously...women are made to give birth. We as humans aren't made to skydive. Duh.


Well, some women are anyways. Others like me... not so much. [8D] But I was happy for these women that everything went well and they mostly had the births they wanted.



clag4christ -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/21/2008 10:46:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sideways

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
I mean seriously...women are made to give birth. We as humans aren't made to skydive. Duh.


Well, some women are anyways. Others like me... not so much. [8D] But I was happy for these women that everything went well and they mostly had the births they wanted.



I almost put in a caveat. I was happy for all the women. Apparently there were 9 women that were followed and all nine went on to give birth without assistance. All nine babies were born alive and well. [:)]



Sideways -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/22/2008 7:28:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
I was very upset by that doctor that 'attended' that same "uneducated" girl for her placenta. In fact, Joel and I were both upset. He was chastizing her for having an unassisted homebirth instead of helping her with some pitocin to get her placenta free.


He definitely could've had a better attitude, but to my ears it sounded like part of his attitude came out of frustration with her denying treatment after coming into the ER. I couldn't understand why she refused the IV, actually. After all, she comes into the ER a few hours after giving birth but no placenta - did she think they were going to give her a pill and send her home? An IV line sounds like one of those basic things. The doctors had no way of knowing how much she'd bled or anything (and wasn't she the one who had a decent chance of having her placenta in front of her cervix).

That girl was the one I struggled the most to understand, but maybe I just didn't watch enough. She said that having a midwife at home with her would've put her children in danger. Was that because the midwife would tell her when to push and stuff like that? I thought most home midwives were pretty relaxed about letting the women's body tell her what to do.



RamiRedeemed -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/22/2008 8:05:08 AM)

Hi ladies, I think I'll lurk too. I just had my first baby 3 1/2 weeks ago. I really wanted a homebirth with a midwife but our insurance wouldn't cover it. Wish it had, my hospital birth experience wasn't very great. If we ever have another it'll be done at home.



EmilyAnn -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/22/2008 9:03:43 AM)

I don't have that channel so I didn't get to see it. It sounds like something I would have liked to see.

I had a homebirth and we paid the midwife $1800. If I would have had a hospital birth it would have been $3000 plus 20% of the remaining bill. It was much cheaper for me to have a homebirth and I have insurance.



SweetLittleErin -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/22/2008 9:18:47 AM)

I *almost* had a homebirth...though not by choice. My hospital experience wasnt bad, its all kinda a blur.



HomeSpunLady -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/22/2008 11:22:51 AM)

I had a hospital birth for my first and a homebirth for my second. The hospital birth was horrid. I had a great pregnancy with both, but the homebirth experience was better by far. Check out my blog for the story.



clag4christ -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/22/2008 4:25:13 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Sideways

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ORIGINAL: clag4christ
I was very upset by that doctor that 'attended' that same "uneducated" girl for her placenta. In fact, Joel and I were both upset. He was chastizing her for having an unassisted homebirth instead of helping her with some pitocin to get her placenta free.


He definitely could've had a better attitude, but to my ears it sounded like part of his attitude came out of frustration with her denying treatment after coming into the ER. I couldn't understand why she refused the IV, actually. After all, she comes into the ER a few hours after giving birth but no placenta - did she think they were going to give her a pill and send her home? An IV line sounds like one of those basic things. The doctors had no way of knowing how much she'd bled or anything (and wasn't she the one who had a decent chance of having her placenta in front of her cervix).

That girl was the one I struggled the most to understand, but maybe I just didn't watch enough. She said that having a midwife at home with her would've put her children in danger. Was that because the midwife would tell her when to push and stuff like that? I thought most home midwives were pretty relaxed about letting the women's body tell her what to do.




I don't think she expected to be given a pill...and I'm not sure why she refused the IV fluids (not a transfusion) either. Maybe just to save time? It wasn't just his attitude that bothered me...he was chastizing her and was basically refusing her treatment. What if she was hemmoraghing? He spent who knows how long lecturing her when he could have just checked her out. Instead his pride and arrogance got in the way and he made her 'ask' to be checked out. It was pitiful of them really.

I didn't hear her say that she thought that having a midwife was dangerous. I did hear her state that she felt the safest place for her children to be born was at home though. I think there is a difference between hospital midwives and homebirthing midwives when it comes to their attitudes towards labor and delivery.



PrincessDonna -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/22/2008 4:28:12 PM)

I think she had no idea what to expect because she had not educated herself at all. A retained placenta can be a very serious issue, and while I understand wanting to have a natural birth...the birthing part of it was already done! If an IV is needed, an IV is needed. Ignorance does not impress me and I wish they had not included that woman in their documentary. I think it makes people think all or most homebirthers are uneducated fools and I don't believe that to be the case. Many people will not make a separation in their minds between unassisted childbirth and homebirth with a midwife, KWIM?



clag4christ -> RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion (10/22/2008 4:42:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PrincessDonna

I think she had no idea what to expect because she had not educated herself at all. A retained placenta can be a very serious issue, and while I understand wanting to have a natural birth...the birthing part of it was already done! If an IV is needed, an IV is needed. Ignorance does not impress me and I wish they had not included that woman in their documentary. I think it makes people think all or most homebirthers are uneducated fools and I don't believe that to be the case. Many people will not make a separation in their minds between unassisted childbirth and homebirth with a midwife, KWIM?


She struck me as someone who had 'heard' that a lot of things like IV's, midwives, hospitals, etc. are bad. It was like she was parrotting what she'd heard others say without really doing her own research into why others think those things can have adverse effects on a pg or laboring woman sometimes.

I too wished they'd not included her in the film either.



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