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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/22/2008 8:51:02 AM
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smootches2uall
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Next lesson ladies (hope that this doesn't bother any of you?):
This one requires partner's help. Again, you will be 'timing contractions'. The contractions will be about 1 minute in length (duration) and 4 minutes apart (frequency). His help will be in both the exercise AND in timing them.
Get in a comfortable position (sitting, lying down, reclining, etc...). At the beginning of a 'contraction' close your eyes and take a cleansing breath. He begins by following your breathing and saying:
"Breathe in - I am
Breathe out - Relaxed
Breathe in - I am
Breathe out - soft
Breathe in - I am
Breathe out - deep"
and any other number of relaxing words to keep you breathing, relaxing deeper each time, and focusing. At the end of a few 'contractions' he can change the script by taking out the "Breathe in" and "Breathe out" parts and simply saying "I am...... Relaxed" (etc..) while you breath accordingly.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/22/2008 6:00:37 PM
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breathing I think I have down during labor....well, as much as anyone with a few kids experience can have it down. I have found it easier to do the breathe in through the nose and out through the mouth cause it relaxes the jaw to breathe out....which helps whenever you can do that. (that one took me about 15 hours of my first labor to figure out though!!!!). Since I am confined to a bed during labor (medical reasons..BP related) breathing is really the only thing that I can control that much of during labor...I can't get up and walk and usually can't change positions very easily
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 11:45:08 AM
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Help me out here ladies, my beloved midwives are getting ditched at the office I've been going to. They are gone by Aug 1. I so had my heart set on this. This was the best situation, I could have my midwives and Andrew could have his hospital. I don't know what to do. I haven't checked much yet, but from my previous searching these were the only midwives around. I am so upset. I don't know what to do.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 11:48:49 AM
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Did you ask where they are going?
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 11:56:33 AM
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Kathryn, I'm sorry to hear that. If it's anything like around here (NC), they make it pretty hard for midwives to practice. There are midwives at my OB office, but they no longer deliver babies b/c the insurance is just too much. However, the doc's at the office are supportive of midwives and natural birth, so that is a big plus.
Are the OBs at your current place still supportive of natural birth? If so, maybe you could hire a doula and stay with the practice. I agree that maybe you can find out where the midwives are going... maybe they would be willing to do a homebirth - I know the regulations are different in different states though.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 1:28:59 PM
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I have a call into one of the midwives (the one I've seen the most and like the most) to ask her where they are going. I did a search and found another practice that has 2 midwives and one male ob. Don't really like that part, but here's something I didn't think of before. With my current practice, I would've seen midwives throughout my ob care, but if I had a problem in labor I would have seen any one of the obs, that I hadn't seen before. Male and female. At this other practice that I found, I would have to see the ob 2x. Which I am ok with, but if there are no problems in labor the midwives would deliver me.
Homebirth is legal in PA, homebirth midwives are not. Which is sad. This monkey wrench has upset hubby. He wants a homebirth now. But, he cannot in good consicous, cause someone else to do something illegal. I hadn't thought of it that way. So I agree.
I called and left a message with our doula, to make sure she'll go to a different hospital. Don't see why she wouldn't, but just want to keep her abreast of the changing plans.
I do not want to support a practice that will not support midwives. They had four midwives. One retired, the other is moving, why do they have to can the other two??
I do have some options, and thank You Lord, this happened early enough that we can still change. I am keeping my u/s for tomorrow. But that may be the last they see of me. I want to transfer asap. No sense in waiting until August 1 to get to know a different practice.
Thank you for your support, please pray we get where God wants us to be.
ETA: I called the Administrative Director, among his reasons for canning the midwives, were financial.... Whatever.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 1:34:20 PM
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That is too bad. At least at my practice they kept the midwives on even though they don't do births anymore. The midwives there told me that the docs are great about listening to them. I wasn't sure about the male obs at the practice either, but after meeting them I can honestly say I am much more comfortable with them than I was with the female ones at my old practice.
I really hope everything works out for you at the new practice.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 1:35:19 PM
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Homebirth is legal in PA, homebirth midwives are not.
That's interesting, since I know several people who homebirth here and all of their midwives come from PA. I don't think homebirth is legal here, and I admit I was surprised that our youth pastor and his wife were okay with basically lying and saying that Daddy delivered the baby. If any problems came up, the midwife was suddenly "just a friend"...yeah, a paid friend.  I didn't want to question their decision too much, but they are usually very by the book people, so they must have had some thought process that made it okay in their minds to do that.
Please note...I am all for homebirth for those that want it, and don't think the state has any business making it illegal. I'm just not sure what those who want homebirths should do when it *is* illegal, KWIM? Another thing that bothers me...it is a well known fact that all the Amish and Mennonite in the area deliver at home unless there is a major problem. A woman from our church actually delivers some of them, as a lay midwife. The Amish and Mennonite are allowed to do whatever, but other women have to face the risk of being given a hard time about it??? Doesn't make sense to me...
Kathryn, I hope you find a place that works for you. Seems weird what happened in that practice. I wonder if there is something else going on that you don't know about.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 1:45:13 PM
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In NC, home birth is legal, but practicing midwifery without a liscence is a class 3 misdemeanor (the same as jay walking.)
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 2:11:08 PM
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Help me out here ladies, my beloved midwives are getting ditched at the office I've been going to. They are gone by Aug 1. I so had my heart set on this. This was the best situation, I could have my midwives and Andrew could have his hospital. I don't know what to do. I haven't checked much yet, but from my previous searching these were the only midwives around. I am so upset. I don't know what to do.
Kathryn,
I think you are making the right choices. When you do talk to your midwives, ask if there is any way you can get in contact with the other women they are seeing. Boycott that OBs office. I know it seems harsh, but it is one of the few ways we can REALLY push for better women's health care and options - to hit them where it hurts most: their pocketbooks.
I am glad you found another practice with midwives. If it were me, I would transfer there.
Regarding the homebirth and legality issues - it is THEIR choice to do something illegal (the midwives). I completely and unhinderedly support home birth with a midwife, whether it is state-legal or not. It is my RIGHT to safe and effective health care. If I feel home birth is safer than hospital birth, whether or not it is legal, I will hire a midwife to attend me. (snarf - I know, smootches needs to get a reign on her soapbox)
Princess - Those reasons that you gave are exactly why I support homebirths with midwives regardless of legislature. The thing is, in states where 'homebirth is illegal' it's not really HOMEBIRTH that is illegal, but being a midwife at a homebirth that is illegal. In other words - they CAN'T begrudge or refuse a woman a homebirth, but they CAN 'legally' refuse a midwife sanction to help a woman in labor. Piddy. I think it is a load of hooey. It is the states only way to control a woman's healthcare and they know it.
As far as the Mennonite and Amish community, they tend to leave them alone - but then it raises the question: Why should they be allowed a 'sanctioned' and attended birth and not the average American woman? It is a double standard. Personally, they have no right to tell me who will or won't be helping me in birth - just as they have no right to tell me that I HAVE to inject my child with any foreign substance that has not been proven safe.. Next it will be that they have a right to tell me where/how I school my children, how many children I can have, and much more... Don't believe me? Already some states are 'refusing' women the right to deliver vaginally if they have consented to a previous cesarean. We are dangerously close to allowing too much control of our healthcare - if we aren't there already.
I support home birth midwives regardless of legislature. (deep breath, tuck my head, and run for the nearest cover).
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 2:51:19 PM
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Thank you Smootches. I am just saddened that I have to fight for a better birth for our child. What happened to drs wanting to HELP people! Not help themselves to our money. Here is an email I got from one of our local doulas "A doctor from this practice told a friend of mine that the midwives don't bring in as much money per birth and they can't meet their insurance coverage payments. In other words, a natural birth is much cheaper and not as profitable, not enough to pay the bills." I am furious. It's all about the money. The drs have such a high insurance to make, the midwives aren't helping with that! Duh! They are cheaper!! I have always wanted a homebirth and it is not out of the realm of possibilities for us. I'd really have to pray about this and hubby would have to change his mind. But he wants to be above board on this, being a pastor and all and his conscious.
Anyone know how much the farm costs?......
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 3:30:26 PM
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As Emily said, it is legal here... just difficult. The biggest problem is the cost of malpractice insurance (if the midwife is with a physician's office). Malpractice insurance is not even available to midwives for homebirths. If it was, I'm sure it would be ridiculously expensive.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 3:46:35 PM
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I have always wanted a homebirth and it is not out of the realm of possibilities for us. I'd really have to pray about this and hubby would have to change his mind. But he wants to be above board on this, being a pastor and all and his conscious.
Kathryn, I'm sure that's a tough place to be in, and I commend you for wanting to do the right thing. I also want to be clear that I don't think our youth pastor and his wife did the wrong thing. It's kind of like they were forced to lie to have a basic right of a homebirth. Their homebirth went very very well and they plan to have the rest of their kids at home also, regardless of what the law says. I certainly don't blame them for wanting an experienced midwife in attendance, just in case there was a problem.
Smootches, I agree with you. It should just be legal and just have it that if something goes wrong at a homebirth, no one can be held liable.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 3:53:40 PM
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You could look into unassisted childbirth.
Here in WA lay midwives cannot advertise, but there is no law against them practicing...so it just takes work to find one.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 4:38:35 PM
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Anyone know how much the farm costs?......
I don't know, but here is their website (with phone number and everything).
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 5:10:35 PM
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I was half joking about the farm. It's 12 hours away. I'd have the baby in the car by that point, I'm sure.
Another hit for the practice. U/S tech calls and tells me that they don't do mid pregnancy u/s' at 18 weeks. What! Then what's all this paper work that says you do! She'll still do it, but says that they might not be able to see certain defects of the heart and would have to get another u/s at 24 weeks. Great. But she says they can see everything they need to at 19.5 weeks. So a week makes a whole heap of difference? I am so irritated. And the hormones don't help. I am so upset, I don't even want to eat supper. GRRRRRRRRRR.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 5:12:50 PM
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But she says they can see everything they need to at 19.5 weeks. So a week makes a whole heap of difference?
yeah actually it does make that much of a difference.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 5:25:09 PM
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Not in my experience working in ultrasound. It should not make a difference. 18-22 weeks is the recommended time for the main screening ultrasound...earlier than that is iffy, and later, things are too cramped to see well sometimes. 18 weeks should be fine, especially since Kathryn has lost a lot of weight.
We saw a 4-chamber heart VERY clearly with Noah at 15 weeks.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 7:35:17 PM
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I had my u/s at exactly 20 weeks and the tech couldn't get a clear view of everything ... it was MUCH better at 22 weeks. (And I was watching the screen both times, so I saw how difficult it was the first time versus the second time).
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 8:07:31 PM
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I found three different places on paperwork they gave me, written up by their office that 18-22 weeks is the time for this routine ultrasound. I am rather miffed that she went against her own offices protocol. We had issues with this same tech the last time I was there. She wasted half of our time there with a personal call to her whatever, in the same room!! I won't stand for that this time.
So we are going, with that paperwork in hand. If it was a problem they should've never agreed to schedule the u/s in the first place.
This all is pushing me more and more to homebirth. I am so sick of the establishment.
This might've been a God thing though. Found out that this practice is c-section happy. The other practice I am looking at is very midwife friendly. The HBing mw will transfer to this doc. He has vaginally delivered two sets of twins. They (the natural side) say he is very good. I am feeling better about this.
I am just frustrated that we should have to fight this much to get what we think is best. The doula I was talking to said, we have laws and regulations to protect women to have abortions, but not homebirths. What's wrong with this picture?
I'm going to eat ice cream.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/24/2008 8:13:33 PM
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One thing to remember with the 18-22 week thing for u/s ... it totally depends on the size of the baby, the size of the mom, and the position of the baby (wheher s/he is cuddled up closely to the placenta or whether s/he is cooperative and 'open' to being viewed) So for some people, everything can be clearly seen at 18 weeks ... other people need to wait until the 22 week mark.
And when I say size of mom, the heavier mom is going into the pregnancy, the harder things are to see ... so they tend to suggest heavier people wait until closer to the 22 week mark.
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It was neat though - he was asking lots of questions and seemed very interested. Next week we're doing non-medical comfort measures, so that'll be the big week!
