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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/12/2008 7:48:08 PM
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manda59
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Thought this link was interesting:
Hypnobabies Blog
(if you scroll down there is a section on Christianity and Hypnosis)
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/12/2008 8:43:10 PM
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My midwife explained it to us as something that she sees used alot by couples who are already in Yoga and meditation beliefs and practices.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/12/2008 9:00:12 PM
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I have a friend out here in Nashvegas who is a Christian and Hypnobabies instructor. The thing is, and not to start a theological debate, but Hypnobabies is not so much as 'opening your mind' and 'loosing your inhibitions' as is often thought to be the case with hypnosis.. Instead, it is reconditioning your mind to do some things that are contrary to human nature:
1) perceive a muscle contraction as pain-free
2) perceive a labor contraction as pressure and not discomfort
3) the stronger the pressure (wave or surge) the more you literally go limp in the rest of your body/muscles
That is IT. They achieve this through conditioned response to cue words, touch (on the shoulders, forehead, or back of neck), and repetitive script practice. I too was a skeptic till I actually read through the course and materials.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/12/2008 9:11:01 PM
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Like the PP said, it's not really hypnosis. It's kind of a misnomer actually. I know many Christian women who have used it (I myself haven't because the materials and classes were out of our budget). I don't see it as any different than any sort of conditioning of the mind and body to respond in a different way to pain than by fear and tension.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/13/2008 12:52:40 PM
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Now that sounds interesting.
You know what I've been doing to prepare and to change my thoughts and reactions to pain? Anytime I have any sort of pain, headache, gas pains (they can get really bad), drop a mixer on my foot, whatever, I tell myself to relax. I don't know if that's going to help in labor, but it does help with that pain at that moment. So I'm guessing it could help. It really does help to alleviate the pain. I'm amazed.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/13/2008 6:01:30 PM
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Anyone seen The Business of Being Born? I just saw it on netflix. Very good. Very eye opening. Helped me to understand just a bit more about the whole 'industry'. I very highly recommend it.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/13/2008 7:30:25 PM
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I'm not preg, but I did the instant view on it when I was up late one night. I was surprised by so many things, and I'm natural-minded already.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/13/2008 9:14:58 PM
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I LOVE LOVE LOVE BOBB! Do I sound nutty about it? Because I AM! :o)
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/13/2008 10:23:00 PM
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Jessica, get Ina May's Guide to Childbirth. I can't recommend it enough for mothers, even 2nd time arounders. It explained soo much about correlation between feelings and birthing, mental and physical feelings.
She explains over and over how opening your mouth helps relax and open downstairs and help moves things along. If your mouth is clenched tightly, so is your cervix and corresponding areas.
I had a GYN tell/teach me to breathe out when she inserted her speculum so I would not be so tense. It did wonders and I still use that tip 10 years later.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/13/2008 11:43:25 PM
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What about doing horse lips (where you blow out your lips and make that funny pbpbpbpbpb noise)? Does that give you the same problem? That was given as another technique to use to keep your face and jaw loosey goosey while in labor. I haven't tried it personally but I'm trying to keep it in mind for this one.
Every night I've been trying to read (over again) some of the birth stories from Ina May's Guide to Childbirth. I love it, it's so inspiring.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/13/2008 11:54:33 PM
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I read Hypnobirthing (The Mongon Method) and love the concept. That, along with The Birth Book (Sears), have been the most educational for me (in a practical sense). Now I practice completely relaxing with my birth music every night in bed. I also use times when I am having any pain (like cramping with using the bathroom) to practice. I'm already amazed at the huge difference it makes to be relaxed. Of course I have no idea how well I will be able to accomplish that in labor! LOL!
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/14/2008 3:19:17 AM
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LOL! Emily, I was thinking the same thing. One might pop the baby out just trying to get out of the beanbag chair!!
LOL! I guess I should have asked how it's used when we were at the hospital tour.  Well, if I do get around to using it during labour, I'll be sure and let you know if it helped!
Kim, my husband and I really like the Bradley book -- there is some good information there. However, IMO Bradley writes in a very long-winded, conversational style, with the useful, practical nuggets buried under very many words and "asides". It might be helpful to have a highlighter and mark the bits you find particularly useful so you don't have to hunt for them later on.
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You know what I've been doing to prepare and to change my thoughts and reactions to pain? Anytime I have any sort of pain, headache, gas pains (they can get really bad), drop a mixer on my foot, whatever, I tell myself to relax. I don't know if that's going to help in labor, but it does help with that pain at that moment. So I'm guessing it could help. It really does help to alleviate the pain. I'm amazed.
I've found this too! The gas pain has lately been a huge headache, but I find that relaxing all my muscles and breathing slowly (as recommended by Bradley for labour) makes a HUGE difference.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/14/2008 7:20:34 AM
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I've ordered Ina May's book. I plan on reading it. I also have Henci Goer's book. That's not really a read, if you KWIM, it's more of an informational book that you look for what you need. But I guess you do need to read the whole thing, so that you are knowledgeable on all accounts. I also have the Sears book. A bit outdated, but still good information on how you need to handle different situations.
The Bradley book was the only book I had on natural/alternative birthing. One thing I have to say, study study study, practice practice practice. Otherwise, it does nothing for you. And your husband has to be reading and studying and practicing with you.
One problem I have about labor for myself, is maintaining composure. All the ladies who had a natural birth were moaning, grunting, making lots of noise with each contraction. One woman was even singing! I just have this fear of someone thinking I've lost it. I know I know I need to get over it. I am also in the habit of telling myself everyday that my body was designed by God to make babies and to push them out. I do believe there is a mind-body connection and what we believe in the head will affect the body as well. So I am telling myself everyday that I/we can do it. I tried doing that in labor and I think it didn't work because I had conditioned myself to being afraid or look for trauma. Well I got it. We are also going to make many trips to the hospital. I am terrified of hospitals. I am not afraid of labor, just the hospital aspect. Having a midwife helps. I feel like she is going to come alongside me, instead of stand over me telling me what I need to do. Plus I have a knowledgeable doula and a hubby who will stand up for me when I'm weak. I love him. Anyway, I feel that the more comfortable I get with the hospital, the better I'll do. God has made my body, He has formed this child and with His strength I can push this baby out!
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/14/2008 9:58:08 PM
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Aw, I'm really sorry to hear that. :( Not even just for labor but that it effects such day to day things is rough. I've heard that Bell's Palsy will/can go away after a while, do you know if that will be the case for you?
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/15/2008 8:31:56 AM
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If everything goes well, we will be having our son at home and he will not be getting the vitamin k shot. We planned to take him to the pediatrician on the 8th day for the PKU test, newborn hearing screening, and circumcision. I talked to the pediatrician we will be taking him to again on Sunday (she goes to my church) and she said she would be uncomfortable doing the circumcision without him having the vitamin k shot. She would prefer I bring him in the day after he is born for the PKU test, newborn hearing screening, and vitamin k shot, then come back a week later for the circumcision. I would like to find some more research on this so my husband and I can make a final decision and I can print out research to back it up. Does anyone have information about the benefits/risks of the vitamin k shot, alternatives to it, risks of not getting it, etc.? Thanks.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/15/2008 10:21:31 AM
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Aw, I'm really sorry to hear that. :( Not even just for labor but that it effects such day to day things is rough. I've heard that Bell's Palsy will/can go away after a while, do you know if that will be the case for you?
sorry if this is off topic....but since you asked.....
there are two types of BP...both have to do with the occipital nerve in the back of the neck (on whichever side you have the BP on). The first is much easier to get over....it is a pinched nerve. Usually just a few weeks...maybe a few months....and a chiro can help and you usually restore full facial movement. That is not mine though...several others on here have had this kind though). Mine is the second group...basically your body gets a virus that attacks the occipital nerve in the back of the neck. Your body does what it needs to do to get rid of that virus, even if that means killing the nerve to do so. Once the nerve is killed it takes about 3 months to start regenerating again. Until then you have absolutely no muscle movement in that side of your face (including the inside muscles...in the throat, the tongue, the ear muscles, the eye, etc...not just the ones that are seen from the outside). After about 3 months it starts to come back and you start getting movement again...slowly. Your body basically has until the 12 month mark to make whatever recovery it will...after that the chances of having any more movement come back are nearly none. There is unfortunately nothing they can do to help this process though. Most people make a full recovery within that time (or at least 90% recovery and the little bit left doesn't affect them as much). Mine did not make a full recovery....I basically got back up to about 75% or so. The dr's say that it won't get any better then what I am right now. I still have lots of lax muscles in that whole side of my face...can't smile right, eye is droopy and can't close all the way tight, tongue is not easily moved (I can't eat on that side of my mouth cause I get food stuck over there because my tongue can't move around normal to get the food where it needs to be), my throat is closed up a lot and it feels weird to breathe (esp when I am laying down). Another one of the things that comes along with the nerve damage is that my face constantly feels like it is bruised. It used to be so much worse then it is now, so it has gotten better, but it's still very hard to ignore the pain sometimes...and very hard to move my face and jaw a lot.
Anyway, so that's where I am right now...and have been for a while. I got BP in november of 2006...so it's been 17 months for me.
Emily...the PKU has many state/federal regulated requirements for when it has to be done. So more then likely her hands are tied in that one.
As far as the Vit K shot...it isn't going to hurt him to have it, it's just that on the 8th day his body naturally produces it on it's own. Some dr's still require it though. I don't have much, but what I have is only talking about the fact that the male body naturally produces it on that day more then any other day in their lives. I don't have anything on the vit K shot itself being bad for them.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/15/2008 10:44:47 AM
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Anyway, so that's where I am right now...and have been for a while. I got BP in november of 2006...so it's been 17 months for me.
Wow...I had never heard of this condition before. From your posts, I already thought you're a pretty extraordinary person. This just totally confirms it -- coping with this along with caring for a family can't be easy.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/15/2008 1:03:26 PM
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As far as the Vit K shot...it isn't going to hurt him to have it, it's just that on the 8th day his body naturally produces it on it's own. Some dr's still require it though. I don't have much, but what I have is only talking about the fact that the male body naturally produces it on that day more then any other day in their lives. I don't have anything on the vit K shot itself being bad for them.
Actually, that is not entirely correct. Some people have an over-clotting issue with their blood - and there is no way to know that up front. Also, some people have a sensitivity to the preservatives in the Vit K shot. Other newborns still have a hard time processing that huge chunk of Vit K and their kidneys get taxed - some so severely that their livers are damaged. Other side effects if your body is unable to handle that jump in Vit K: thrombosis, vomiting, kidney tubule degeneration, jaundice and hemolytic anemia in newborns.
I am one of those loonies who believe that God created us to be born without Vit K in our systems for a reason. Just because we don't understand why does not negate this. I am not of the mind that we should push it on our systems before nature intended it to be there. JMHO.
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RE: Natural Childbirth-support and discussion - 4/15/2008 1:07:32 PM
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As far as the Vit K shot...it isn't going to hurt him to have it, it's just that on the 8th day his body naturally produces it on it's own. Some dr's still require it though. I don't have much, but what I have is only talking about the fact that the male body naturally produces it on that day more then any other day in their lives. I don't have anything on the vit K shot itself being bad for them.
Actually, that is not entirely correct. Some people have an over-clotting issue with their blood - and there is no way to know that up front. Also, some people have a sensitivity to the preservatives in the Vit K shot. Other newborns still have a hard time processing that huge chunk of Vit K and their kidneys get taxed - some so severely that their livers are damaged. Other side effects if your body is unable to handle that jump in Vit K: thrombosis, vomiting, kidney tubule degeneration, jaundice and hemolytic anemia in newborns.
hmmm...interesting. I will be interested in reading any of the sites anyone finds and posts on this one. Our first boy was circ'd in the hospital on day two....and our second was done on day 8 in the ped's office, but he said there was no need for the vit K shot and didn't push it, so I never really looked into it too much. This time I might have to know though...I need to check with the hospital on what they will and will not allow us to do...and if so, find someone outside of the hospital who will do what we want when we want it.
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I am one of those loonies who believe that God created us to be born without Vit K in our systems for a reason. Just because we don't understand why does not negate this. I am not of the mind that we should push it on our systems before nature intended it to be there. JMHO.
lol....yeah I can agree there!!!
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But she told me when she was in labor her doula kept saying "mouth like a goldfish" 
And then when she opened her mouth it helped. 
I've heard his book is a bit painful, so I actually got "Natural Childbirth the Bradley Way" instead of "Husband-Coached Childbirth" ... I'm hoping it's a bit less textbook-y!
