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RE: Mormonism? - 7/11/2008 5:22:48 PM
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#1 They probably won't excommunicate you from going to a Catholic Church on Christmas Eve, or any other time, but they strongly suggest that you don't do those things.
#2 I never said it was doctrine about the Catholic Church being the great Satan, however it is common knowledge. Our instructors (or whatever they are called) stressed that it was true. They were not run of the mill young men with backpacks on bicycles, they were an older couple, born into the religion and steeped in Mormon doctrine, from Salt Lake City who were here supervising the building of the Raleigh area temple.
#3 Did not lie on any of the questions! And please don't insinuate that I did. That's not only a personal affront to me, but also a tos violation. Let me try to explain. My wife and I were considered "golden." Don't know why, perhaps because we came to the Mormons to investigate rather than being reeled in by the boys on bikes. I did not have to put in a full year before the full Melchizadek(sp?) priesthood was bestowed on me. It came after 8-9 months. Again, I don't know why. I think it was about a year after that we started preparing for becoming temple workers. They (the local and stake center higher-ups) began grooming us for the temple from the very beginning.
In the temple interview, by the stake center president, Joseph Smith's name never came up. I do remember telling him the words "I am a child of the Living God," for my testimony. Nothing more was asked on that. We were faithful in our marriage and had been tithing. They had to take our word for the faithfulness, but the amount of tithe is on record, as you should know. At the time, I had pretty much bought into Mormonism. It wasn't until after this that the wheels began coming off.
I hope this answers your questions (and doubts to my truthfulness).
In Christ,
-Dave
#1 The only thing that is discouraged is supporting a church/cause that is openly teaching agianst the church. Besides, most members are not interested in checking out/attending another churches.
#2 You were taught wrong. Utah Mormons are the people at church that get under my skin the most....they are such knows-it-all. I don't know why they still believe that **** especially since the LDS church used to donate goods and supplies to the Catholic Church's Humanitarian services....and the LDS church donated a pipe organ to the Cathedral of the Madeline in downtown SLC. I humbly apologize on behalf of these overzealous do-gooders.
#3 Sorry for the accusation. I have seen similar things like this happen...my apologies.
I used to be a stake or ward missionary...I can't remember which...anyway, when the missionaries would baptize a person(sometimes only after one or two discussions) we had to attend....and be happy. What was odd was that would be the only time we would see them at church and then it was up to us to finish the discussions, which rarely happened...I kinda got burned out on missionary work after that. 
In my experience...most converts do not trash their former religion.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/11/2008 5:29:28 PM
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harvesthoney
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I'm tickled that you allow me to post this once again, especially for lurkers who might be wondering about the Mormon claims, claims that Paul warned about 1800 or so years earlier:
But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
-Galatians 1:8 (King James Version)
By his claims, Smith marked himself accursed of God. The remarkable thing to me is that people still gave - and continue to give - Smith ear to listen to his further perversion of scripture and of God the Son.
I'm happy you're tickled.
What other versions of the Bible do you use? The KJV and..........
Why's that so important to you? Unless you read Hebrew & Greek, all you have is some translation and I don't worship translations or translators. Like Latin, the KJV is now a static translation in a form of English no longer in use except in Shakespearian plays - which are as equally difficult to understand for the same reasons.
Not important, just curious. Crankius answered, why won't you? Your dancing around this question is getting old.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/11/2008 9:24:56 PM
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davemiller7
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That's a scary story!
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Jimbo made a great point about reading Hebrew and Greek.
Have you ever studied exactly how Joseph Smith wrote his translation, harvesthoney?
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The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/11/2008 9:32:58 PM
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Your #1 Wrong - they do discourage reading and attending other churches. Maybe your ward is different, I dunno........
Your #2 These teachers were high ranking Mormons like I said. I don't think they were teaching wrong (at least in Mormon terms).
Your #3 Apology accepted.
I'm "trashing" the LDS faith because I (and many others) have discovered it to be non-Christian, and I'm really trying to be nice here so as to not offend you too deeply. It's not my intent to offend anyone, but I and other former Mormons need to spread the truth about the LDS church.
You're in my prayers,
-Dave
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#1 They probably won't excommunicate you from going to a Catholic Church on Christmas Eve, or any other time, but they strongly suggest that you don't do those things.
#2 I never said it was doctrine about the Catholic Church being the great Satan, however it is common knowledge. Our instructors (or whatever they are called) stressed that it was true. They were not run of the mill young men with backpacks on bicycles, they were an older couple, born into the religion and steeped in Mormon doctrine, from Salt Lake City who were here supervising the building of the Raleigh area temple.
#3 Did not lie on any of the questions! And please don't insinuate that I did. That's not only a personal affront to me, but also a tos violation. Let me try to explain. My wife and I were considered "golden." Don't know why, perhaps because we came to the Mormons to investigate rather than being reeled in by the boys on bikes. I did not have to put in a full year before the full Melchizadek(sp?) priesthood was bestowed on me. It came after 8-9 months. Again, I don't know why. I think it was about a year after that we started preparing for becoming temple workers. They (the local and stake center higher-ups) began grooming us for the temple from the very beginning.
In the temple interview, by the stake center president, Joseph Smith's name never came up. I do remember telling him the words "I am a child of the Living God," for my testimony. Nothing more was asked on that. We were faithful in our marriage and had been tithing. They had to take our word for the faithfulness, but the amount of tithe is on record, as you should know. At the time, I had pretty much bought into Mormonism. It wasn't until after this that the wheels began coming off.
I hope this answers your questions (and doubts to my truthfulness).
In Christ,
-Dave
#1 The only thing that is discouraged is supporting a church/cause that is openly teaching agianst the church. Besides, most members are not interested in checking out/attending another churches.
#2 You were taught wrong. Utah Mormons are the people at church that get under my skin the most....they are such knows-it-all. I don't know why they still believe that **** especially since the LDS church used to donate goods and supplies to the Catholic Church's Humanitarian services....and the LDS church donated a pipe organ to the Cathedral of the Madeline in downtown SLC. I humbly apologize on behalf of these overzealous do-gooders.
#3 Sorry for the accusation. I have seen similar things like this happen...my apologies.
I used to be a stake or ward missionary...I can't remember which...anyway, when the missionaries would baptize a person(sometimes only after one or two discussions) we had to attend....and be happy. What was odd was that would be the only time we would see them at church and then it was up to us to finish the discussions, which rarely happened...I kinda got burned out on missionary work after that.
In my experience...most converts do not trash their former religion.
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-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/15/2008 11:59:38 AM
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BTW, where are you getting your information from?
From something interior -- no exterior source, which I assume you meant. "God of this world" sounds awfully local, so I am wondering if he is just a deputy or something.
To be honest, I am just not interested in being a god of some new universe or world. The question occurs to me, how could I be the finest, best god possible? Probably by granting them self-determinism and approaching them out of love. Is it necessary, though, for me to be delegated the task of granting them self-determinism? Why can't God go and be God of those other worlds too -- I think He's doing an awesome job!
Or, alternatively, I could imagine saying he is doing a poor job and I would rather leave this world than participate. What's the penalty, and why would I care about it?
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/15/2008 12:19:29 PM
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you can't find a nicer group of people than the Mormons,
This is commonly said, but I have not noticed it for myself. I know some nice Mormons, but I have also met some that could act foolishly or badly. Big deal. I think Baptists are really nice, but some are mean also. Drinking caffeine can defnitely make one irritable tho, I'll grant that!
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/15/2008 12:23:30 PM
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I was only speaking in generalities. I too met some that I didn't like. And some of them could have used some caffeine.
-Dave
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you can't find a nicer group of people than the Mormons,
This is commonly said, but I have not noticed it for myself. I know some nice Mormons, but I have also met some that could act foolishly or badly. Big deal. I think Baptists are really nice, but some are mean also. Drinking caffeine can defnitely make one irritable tho, I'll grant that!
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/15/2008 12:30:14 PM
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hellohellohi
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I was only speaking in generalities. I too met some that I didn't like. And some of them could have used some caffeine.
lol -- yeah, I understand that it can be commonly said, and with some fairness that they are nice and largely congenial to strangers. Just being persnickety.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/15/2008 1:54:36 PM
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That's allowed..................... I think......................
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I was only speaking in generalities. I too met some that I didn't like. And some of them could have used some caffeine.
lol -- yeah, I understand that it can be commonly said, and with some fairness that they are nice and largely congenial to strangers. Just being persnickety.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/27/2008 3:51:02 PM
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Greetings! Please notice, though, that the Mormon Church has been very successful: for it is written 'If God is For Us, who can be stand us?' Also, in the Bible it is written: leave these people alone, if what they are doing is not from God; it will come to nothing; if what they are doing is From God you will only find yourself standing against a Work of God.
Furthermore, the toltec people of the maya who remained after the events which are proported to have transpired in the Book of Mormon actually confirm the disappearance of the True People of God as written in The Book of Mormon for their prophet is called chilam-'balam'. The prophet balaam is one grave errors that the Church must address today whereby people are led into sexual sins and false idolatry which is the sin of greed and mammon.
Therefore, one could realize that the original prophet Joseph Smith was not just monogamous and did take the peoples things. Whereas, the so-called prophet who was 'elected' by the people of Mormon Faith at Nauvoo, who was called Brigham Young, exhibits the characteristics of a balaam by sending all of the young men to fight in the mexican american war, then not waiting for them to return, he commandeers all of their things and marries alot of their woman in polygamy which God had revealed concerning these things through His Son Jesus Christ and His Ministry. Brigham young leaves that location and travels to salt lake city instead.
Therefore, in the span of the time period before the Toltecs appeared and conquered the region with the false prophet 'balam' to set up idolatry as recorded also in The Book of Mormon to have occured; it is entirely possible for these events to have occured as written in the extra-biblical account given to Joseph Smith on golden plates; which would definitely have been destroyed by the false prophet who seeks money rather than God's Gold by melting them all down and wiping out all of the people who were True to The Faith of God. This span of time was proported to occur in accordance with biblical accouts and history to come to about 6000 plus years since the tower of babel and ArcheoPelago during the time of Peleg as written Before Christ's earthly ministry. Because of the dating of Egyptian artifacts to circa 6000 plus years. When the angels of God, which we believe, mixed up the languages and divided the people into nation groups scattered all over the face of the earth as He had Commanded. Also, perhaps the continental drift could have occured in rapid fashion, at this time period after the flood and pangea had occurred.
However, there is a problem with a couple of the prophecies in the Doctrine and Covenants. Also, the story that Joseph gives others is that the angel commands him not show anyone; and yet he shows all of his associates and no one else.
A clever trick? Or has God been involved in This Church, since, refining it not accept polygamy and using it to His Advantage for The Kingdom of God in Sharing the Gospel of Grace Worldwide?
I can testify, that personally, the only people that ever come in accordance with what is written in the bible to my door are either Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses. Which one did what the Master Asked is written? If He asked you congregation this, what would you be able to say?
My belief is that the Dragon had Bringham young doing evil to make this Church in disrepute over these writings.
However, The Book of Mormon contains no Doctrinal Value; per se; that is adding anything to the Original Books of The Bible that are contrary to any Sound Teaching as far as I can tell....
It is proported to be a revelation of a history of the peoples here, a history book of events that transpired to warn us ahead of time regarding the events that will take place as revealed in revelation whereby the false worldly prophet leader called antiChrist fights the Two Witnesses who prophecy for 42 months or 3 1/2 years or 1260 days at Jerusalem, then sets up the Abomination that causes desolation decrees to be issued upon the followers of the false worldly prophet leaders who took the mark of the number of his name on their head or right hand. Anyone who does not endure this trial will be burned in the New Heavens that will be created, as written, in fury before the Angels of God as well as receive all of the punishments written in revelation regarding the Desolation Decreed Judgments that are found there.
Therefore, the controversy surrounding Joseph Smith may lie in the Docrine and Covenants more than in the original Book of Mormon. However, the so-called scripture testifies concerning ethnicity as 'brown' peoples which is very not ahead of its time that it was written in; and therefore could easily be discerned as not having come From God. Also, the name of the 'angel' Moroni (moron in latin based english) does not include any 'el' in it as the Name of God. For instance, Gabriel, Michael, ....., Azizael (destroying angel in Judgment over David's census). Therefore, the name looks to be contrived by Joseph Smith, instead.
The prophecy that The Toltecs kept regarding how a 'white' man would come and teach regarding The Gospel of Love and end to the blood sacrifice, which was distorted by Aztecan priests to include human sacrifice at a certain point, points to the occurence of a Prophecy that was given to them via these peoples that were recorded about on the Golden Plates given to Joseph Smith.
This was fulfilled through Jesus Christ's appearance for 40 days among the earth as written in the bible, some say. I find little evidence, somehow, that Christ appeared here; per se; in North and South America. However, the people might have rebelled again and turned to human sacrifices and idolatry, again.
Furthermore, that one prophecy that they had kept in writing form, and not in practice, in the Empire of The Aztecs was their own undoing through the Emporer Monctezuma; who was even more honorable; perhaps; than those who had came before for he believed the prophecy, yet they had maintained human sacrifice and did not change their ways on idolatry. Faith without works is dead. Away from me workers of iniquity.
Monctezuma's people were delivered over, though, to the Spanish Conquerer Cortez. God had that the turn of events, historically, would be that 3 Spanish Galleons of warriors would take the whole Empire in Conquest. Judge not, lest you, too, be Judged is written. These had spilled the blood of the Martyrs in previous generations and continuing to turn back to their idolatry and unacceptable human sacrifices they had stored up Judgment for their own people. For it is written regarding the fifth seal of the Holy of Prophecy Given to Christ regarding earth: how long, God, Holy and True, until you Judge the inhabitants of the earth for our blood which was spilt?
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Hey, Im new here so Im sorry if this isnt the right place to post this.
But Ive been studying different religions because I figure if Im gonna evangelize, then I might as well know at least a little about other religions. Mormonism is really big here in Missouri, so I figure I might as well start with that.
If anyone can give me any websites or something about mormonism and any of their ideas on anything really, that would be amazing. Thanks so much in advance.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/27/2008 4:19:03 PM
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So, cybrjewels.......... in plain English, what is YOUR opinion of the mormon church itself?
BTW, your post for some reason was very convoluted and hard to follow.
Am I correct in understanding that you believe that the mormon church has done well because God is for them?
Are you also attempting to lend credibility to the false stories/legends in the book of mormon?
Are you asserting or rejecting the notion that Mr. Joseph Smith was monogamous? Or are you denouncing his deeds by marrying several already married women?
And lastly, what faith do you claim? Are you mormon or of a latter day saint sect?
I am not being rude or contentious. I simply couldn't understand clearly your post.
Thanks.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/27/2008 5:47:24 PM
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My opinion of others matters very little. One will stand or fall to the Master to whom they seek to Please and Serve or to whom they Belong. The Master bought Us all and will do with Us as He pleases.
I am of the belief that Joseph Smith travelled to Egypt and learned many things before starting his own Church because he was free mason. However, righteousness comes by faith anyway. Faith comes by Hearing The Word of God and Blessed are those who put The Word of God into practice.
This brand of Church, though, is of the Masons. As is dianetics and Scientology. They started some of the sects to compete with the Catholics for power over the people. We, like sheep, turn to our own ways and The Lord has Laid The Punishment on Him, instead; though.
Joseph Smith was a Polygamist. You are correct.....
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So, cybrjewels.......... in plain English, what is YOUR opinion of the mormon church itself?
BTW, your post for some reason was very convoluted and hard to follow.
Am I correct in understanding that you believe that the mormon church has done well because God is for them?
Are you also attempting to lend credibility to the false stories/legends in the book of mormon?
Are you asserting or rejecting the notion that Mr. Joseph Smith was monogamous? Or are you denouncing his deeds by marrying several already married women?
And lastly, what faith do you claim? Are you mormon or of a latter day saint sect?
I am not being rude or contentious. I simply couldn't understand clearly your post.
Thanks.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/27/2008 5:54:58 PM
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I'm glad that I was not alone finding the post hard to follow. I couldn't either. I would hope that cybrjewels would clarify his remarks.
Having once upon a time been a Mormon myself, I've found the Book Of Mormon, The Doctrine And Covenants, and The Pearl Of Great Price to be wrong in many ways. I thank God that He led us out of that false religion.
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So, cybrjewels.......... in plain English, what is YOUR opinion of the mormon church itself?
BTW, your post for some reason was very convoluted and hard to follow.
Am I correct in understanding that you believe that the mormon church has done well because God is for them?
Are you also attempting to lend credibility to the false stories/legends in the book of mormon?
Are you asserting or rejecting the notion that Mr. Joseph Smith was monogamous? Or are you denouncing his deeds by marrying several already married women?
And lastly, what faith do you claim? Are you mormon or of a latter day saint sect?
I am not being rude or contentious. I simply couldn't understand clearly your post.
Thanks.
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-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/28/2008 12:09:15 AM
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My opinion of others matters very little. One will stand or fall to the Master to whom they seek to Please and Serve or to whom they Belong. The Master bought Us all and will do with Us as He pleases.
I am of the belief that Joseph Smith travelled to Egypt and learned many things before starting his own Church. However, righteousness comes by faith anyway. Faith comes by Hearing The Word of God and Blessed are those who put The Word of God into practice.
This brand of Church, though, is of the Masons. As is dianetics and Scientology. They started some of the sects to compete with the Catholics for power over the people. We, like sheep, turn to our own ways and The Lord has Laid The Punishment on Him, instead; though.
Joseph Smith was a Polygamist. You are correct.....
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ORIGINAL: landabee
So, cybrjewels.......... in plain English, what is YOUR opinion of the mormon church itself?
BTW, your post for some reason was very convoluted and hard to follow.
Am I correct in understanding that you believe that the mormon church has done well because God is for them?
Are you also attempting to lend credibility to the false stories/legends in the book of mormon?
Are you asserting or rejecting the notion that Mr. Joseph Smith was monogamous? Or are you denouncing his deeds by marrying several already married women?
And lastly, what faith do you claim? Are you mormon or of a latter day saint sect?
I am not being rude or contentious. I simply couldn't understand clearly your post.
Thanks.
Not to landabee it doesn't, nor me. We'd both like your opinion on Mormons and JW's, since this is after all a message board specifically intended to share one's opinions on certain matters. You seem to write in a very "cryptic" fashion and it's often times very hard to decipher what your saying. Just write like you talk, or better yet, write like most people talk; straight forward and coherent. We are very interested in your beliefs on LDS and JW's. Thanks
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/28/2008 7:34:58 AM
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Nothing I have read or heard leads me to believe Joseph Smith travelled to Egypt. In fact, he was really concerned as to whether the Baptists or the Methodists were the "right" church because he wanted to join a church. This was during the time of a huge religious revival that swept the country in the early to mid 1800s.
I also believe that he didn't come from a rich family and so he wouldn't have had the money for a trip to Egypt prior to founding the church.
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I am of the belief that Joseph Smith travelled to Egypt and learned many things before starting his own Church. However, righteousness comes by faith anyway. Faith comes by Hearing The Word of God and Blessed are those who put The Word of God into practice.
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-Dave
The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/28/2008 12:53:34 PM
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Greetings! Please notice, though, that the Mormon Church has been very successful: for it is written 'If God is For Us, who can be stand us?'
Context, context. Just because an institution has stood for a couple of centuries, does not mean it is of God. I'm sure you can name a few that have stood that long or longer that are in opposition to Christ and His Church.
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Also, in the Bible it is written: leave these people alone, if what they are doing is not from God; it will come to nothing; if what they are doing is From God you will only find yourself standing against a Work of God.
Dearheart, WHO said that, a man of God or an unbeliever expressing his opinion? I think it was the latter and should be taken with a grain of salt.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/28/2008 1:12:49 PM
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Greetings! I read that he had studied history and ancient Egyptian writings from archeology for he was freeMason. He that began the Good Work in You Is Faithful to complete it and carry it forward on to the Great and Terrible Day of The LORD.
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Nothing I have read or heard leads me to believe Joseph Smith travelled to Egypt. In fact, he was really concerned as to whether the Baptists or the Methodists were the "right" church because he wanted to join a church. This was during the time of a huge religious revival that swept the country in the early to mid 1800s.
I also believe that he didn't come from a rich family and so he wouldn't have had the money for a trip to Egypt prior to founding the church.
-Dave
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I am of the belief that Joseph Smith travelled to Egypt and learned many things before starting his own Church. However, righteousness comes by faith anyway. Faith comes by Hearing The Word of God and Blessed are those who put The Word of God into practice.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/28/2008 1:19:17 PM
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We are not of Those who Will Condemn people based only what we perceive on the outside, for The One has Hidden His Kingdom Among Us for it is written: the Kingdom does not come by your careful observations and The Kingdom Is at Hand. The Right Hand of God and the Power of God as written in The Testimony of Jesus. All Power in Heaven and on earth has been Given to Christ and He will Judge The Living and the dead from among the people as written for all Judgment is Given to the Son of Man. For the Least in The Kingdom is the Greatest, and Christ had humbled to the lowest position of suffering more than any other man is written. For it is written that He who Is 'Least' in The Kingdom is greater than John the Baptist whom the Son of Man said that there is none greater than John born among women for He was The Elijah to come as written; even the Kingdom of God was advancing With John's Testimony and the people crowded to gain entrance quickly and The Powerful Men (male and female made He them as prophesied in Genesis) lay hold of The Kingdom of God and our ways, which are not God's Ways, sometimes were forced into it.
For there is neither Jew nor Gentile, for those in Christ Jesus Our Lord and Savior. And yet Christ came to bring division and Judgment. Therefore, will there be Mormon or Catholic or Protestant or Jehovah's Witness or Seventh Day Adventist?
For these all lay their hopes on Christ for salvation, not on any false prophet. For if anyone trips any Of The People in any way they might as well commit spiritual suicide is written; for Christ said they might as well tie a heavy rock to their necks and through themselves into the sea of 'lucifer's powers that be' and sink there awaiting The Judgment to Come unto the lake of fire.
Therefore, the Priests that partake in any falsehood as a teachings among the people will bear greater Judgment as Jesus said: 'they are worthy of Greater Condemnation.' The people must discern was is Sound and Proper Doctrinal Truths, some have said, I say Jesus said Condemn no one lest you, too, be condemned in likewise manner. The Priests and leaders of the 'churches' of the Jews rejected The Messiah. The People of God did not. He said one must listen to everything that they say but do not do as they do for they condemn people and tie up heavy loads on them and do nothing to help move them and they shut The Kingdom of Heaven in men's faces with their loads. They made The Word of God into mere teachings as taught by men with no power from God to plunder widows houses and make a big show of their so-called 'service' to God. All the while, privately the reality is found there.
If we all fall in many ways, how is it that some propose that they do not fall when using the Scriptural Truths, at times? Jesus said: Forgive and you Will be Forgiven. God can hide anything from anyone at any time for any purpose whatsoever He So Desires is Faith. Praise God for hiding it from the so-called 'wise' and learned peoples and revealing to His little Children.
Jesus said if you can only point out a speck in your neighbors eye and do nothing about the telephone pole in your own; what is that to Me? We all have sin; it is written; and fall short of The Glory of God is written.
I tell you that when I hear a Mormon service from the pulpit, they say nothing about those that accuse them of false doctrine. They are there to worship and serve God, not someone else.
Doctrine, alone, is merely peoples futile thinkings if there is no relationship With The Maker that has substance from Faith unto Good Fruits that The Father would be pleased to keep in the Garden of God.
Without Faith it is impossible to Please God. Rote memorization is meaningless teachings as taught by people if we do not ask for more of God's Holy Spirit to be sanctified and store up treasures in Heaven as written. For The Lord Will Give His Spirit Without Measure, not as the world gives to do I Give To You. If you knew the Gift of God and who it was that was Speaking to you, you would have asked Me for The Gift (Outpouring at pentecost), the Waters of Living Life Welling up to Eternal Life said Jesus (The Holy Water, The Gift, The Blessed Fountain of Life; for The Gift of God unto Truly Sanctified in Accordance with Jesus Word is Eternal Life) For The Wonderful Counselor, The Spirit of Truth, will be With You,; even to the very end of the age and forever, Amen. How much more Will The Father Give The Holy Spirit to Us when We continue to ask Him? Did we receive The Blessed Spirit by keeping the law wrote Paul? Or Was He Conferred by Grace through Faith to them whom The Father and The Word of God came as written. Holy people do Holy Work for God is Able to Do all things, as Paul wrote, through The One.
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Greetings! Please notice, though, that the Mormon Church has been very successful: for it is written 'If God is For Us, who can be stand us?'
Context, context. Just because an institution has stood for a couple of centuries, does not mean it is of God. I'm sure you can name a few that have stood that long or longer that are in opposition to Christ and His Church.
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Also, in the Bible it is written: leave these people alone, if what they are doing is not from God; it will come to nothing; if what they are doing is From God you will only find yourself standing against a Work of God.
Dearheart, WHO said that, a man of God or an unbeliever expressing his opinion? I think it was the latter and should be taken with a grain of salt.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/28/2008 2:51:42 PM
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davemiller7
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And studying about Egypt is far different than Joseph Smith Travelling to Egypt as you opined in your earlier post. I trust you have investigated Freemasonry and its origins?
-Dave
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Greetings! I read that he had studied history and ancient Egyptian writings from archeology for he was freeMason. He that began the Good Work in You Is Faithful to complete it and carry it forward on to the Great and Terrible Day of The LORD.
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Nothing I have read or heard leads me to believe Joseph Smith travelled to Egypt. In fact, he was really concerned as to whether the Baptists or the Methodists were the "right" church because he wanted to join a church. This was during the time of a huge religious revival that swept the country in the early to mid 1800s.
I also believe that he didn't come from a rich family and so he wouldn't have had the money for a trip to Egypt prior to founding the church.
-Dave
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I am of the belief that Joseph Smith travelled to Egypt and learned many things before starting his own Church. However, righteousness comes by faith anyway. Faith comes by Hearing The Word of God and Blessed are those who put The Word of God into practice.
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The Prayer of Protection
The light of God surrounds me,
The love of God enfolds me,
The power of God protects me,
The presence of God watches over me.
Wherever I am, God is.
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RE: Mormonism? - 7/28/2008 3:02:42 PM
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I tell you that when I hear a Mormon service from the pulpit, they say nothing about those that accuse them of false doctrine. They are there to worship and serve God, not someone else.
Are you mormon? Do you regularly attend their services? Do you know that they teach that they have truth, and that the rest of Christians have missed the boat on the revelations from Joseph Smith and the angel Moroni?
Do you realize that the god that they speak of isn't the same as the one mainline Christianity speaks of?
Do you understand that they preach and believe the doctrine "As man is, god once was.... as god is, man will be." ? They preach a gospel of "worthiness".
The bible I read clearly states that none is righteous, NOT ONE.
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