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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/29/2008 10:22:13 PM
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No, not really. I thought that you were insinuating that there are no new mindsets in Christianity ("nothing new under the Son"), whereas I showed bible verses that seem to suggest otherwise.
The verses you posted have to do with the change that comes about because of salvation, not simply the passing of time... We are made a new creature in Christ, our heart of stone is replaced and the Spirit of God dwells within us and that is foundation of the change Paul was speaking to...
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/29/2008 11:07:19 PM
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The verses you posted have to do with the change that comes about because of salvation, not simply the passing of time
That's what I thought. But then what did you mean, "There's nothing new under the son?" Isn't the mind renewed under the son?
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/29/2008 11:14:28 PM
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Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
We love, love, love ourselves.
Can Mexicans apply for citizenship from Mexico, how long is that line?
If the Us was getting treated like they do in Mexico, we would take over Mexico, or did'nt we do that already.
We would hurt an Native Tribe, by forcing them to take a fence thru their yards, separarting families and a whole TRibe.
I want fairness for all, are we being fair, if they have to go back, be deported , we should advocate that US companies that have ran there, pay better, have better working conditions, from what I have heard
Mexico is beautiful, imagine if they restricted Americans from vacaioning anywhere there?
I see peaceful marches turning ugly, Lou Dobbs, have mexican friends
, I never thought to ask them if they are legal, have heard their president say some crazy things about jobs and Aa's have seen our president run from the issue,
I just want what is fair for my mexican/hispanic brothers and sisters, if I was hungry or needed to make a way for my family, I hope they give me fairness.
hunger is a REAL POWERFUL motivator for people to do things, my children are crying that they are hungry, I'm sorry what were you saying, I can't hear you, they won't stop till I feed them....
how can we possibly fair to the Native Tribe? There are only maybe 2
million left, period here in US, just imagine if we started a campaign to save them from extinction?
If someone can show me a fair to all plan, and yes this includes AMericans,
I'm ok.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/29/2008 11:18:22 PM
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SovereignIsHe
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The verses you posted have to do with the change that comes about because of salvation, not simply the passing of time
That's what I thought. But then what did you mean, "There's nothing new under the son?" Isn't the mind renewed under the son?
I was quoting the following... My bad... I meant SUN :P I am sorry of the typo...
Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/29/2008 11:22:58 PM
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I was quoting the following... My bad... I meant SUN :P I am sorry of the typo...
Ah!-- mystery solved.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/29/2008 11:23:22 PM
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Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
We love, love, love ourselves.
Can Mexicans apply for citizenship from Mexico, how long is that line?
If the Us was getting treated like they do in Mexico, we would take over Mexico, or did'nt we do that already.
We would hurt an Native Tribe, by forcing them to take a fence thru their yards, separarting families and a whole TRibe.
I want fairness for all, are we being fair, if they have to go back, be deported , we should advocate that US companies that have ran there, pay better, have better working conditions, from what I have heard
Mexico is beautiful, imagine if they restricted Americans from vacaioning anywhere there?
I see peaceful marches turning ugly, Lou Dobbs, have mexican friends
, I never thought to ask them if they are legal, have heard their president say some crazy things about jobs and Aa's have seen our president run from the issue,
I just want what is fair for my mexican/hispanic brothers and sisters, if I was hungry or needed to make a way for my family, I hope they give me fairness.
hunger is a REAL POWERFUL motivator for people to do things, my children are crying that they are hungry, I'm sorry what were you saying, I can't hear you, they won't stop till I feed them....
how can we possibly fair to the Native Tribe? There are only maybe 2
million left, period here in US, just imagine if we started a campaign to save them from extinction?
If someone can show me a fair to all plan, and yes this includes AMericans,
I'm ok.
Christ loves you...
John
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 8:20:43 AM
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Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
We love, love, love ourselves.
Can Mexicans apply for citizenship from Mexico, how long is that line?
If the Us was getting treated like they do in Mexico, we would take over Mexico, or did'nt we do that already.
We would hurt an Native Tribe, by forcing them to take a fence thru their yards, separarting families and a whole TRibe.
I want fairness for all, are we being fair, if they have to go back, be deported , we should advocate that US companies that have ran there, pay better, have better working conditions, from what I have heard
Mexico is beautiful, imagine if they restricted Americans from vacaioning anywhere there?
I see peaceful marches turning ugly, Lou Dobbs, have mexican friends
, I never thought to ask them if they are legal, have heard their president say some crazy things about jobs and Aa's have seen our president run from the issue,
I just want what is fair for my mexican/hispanic brothers and sisters, if I was hungry or needed to make a way for my family, I hope they give me fairness.
hunger is a REAL POWERFUL motivator for people to do things, my children are crying that they are hungry, I'm sorry what were you saying, I can't hear you, they won't stop till I feed them....
how can we possibly fair to the Native Tribe? There are only maybe 2
million left, period here in US, just imagine if we started a campaign to save them from extinction?
If someone can show me a fair to all plan, and yes this includes AMericans,
I'm ok.
Would an American put up with being treated as a criminal when you try to do things the right way, the legal way?
You're fingerprinted and photographed because you "may" be a criminal. You have to fill out tons of forms that have the same information on each one. Women have to strip naked and be leered at and fondled (inspected) by male "health" technicians (more like government paid perverts). You are humiliated and treated with contempt. You can't argue with the idiots (even when most of the time the information they tell you is wrong) because they'll threaten you with arrest. They'll tell you that you're threatening a federal agent just by inferring that they don't know what they are doing.
After doing it the legal way, you can understand why some people can't afford to do it that way.
It's been my experience that those that are always so adamant about doing it the legal way have never immigrated or have had to immigrate someone after 9-11.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 9:39:47 AM
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Can Mexicans apply for citizenship from Mexico, how long is that line?
Takes around 9 - 18+ plus years...
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 10:40:19 AM
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Would an American put up with being treated as a criminal when you try to do things the right way, the legal way?
You're fingerprinted and photographed because you "may" be a criminal. You have to fill out tons of forms that have the same information on each one. Women have to strip naked and be leered at and fondled (inspected) by male "health" technicians (more like government paid perverts). You are humiliated and treated with contempt. You can't argue with the idiots (even when most of the time the information they tell you is wrong) because they'll threaten you with arrest. They'll tell you that you're threatening a federal agent just by inferring that they don't know what they are doing.
After doing it the legal way, you can understand why some people can't afford to do it that way.
Are you sure you don't have the booking procedure for jail down as immigration policy by mistake? 
Sounds like one and the same, doesn't it?
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 11:15:05 AM
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Can Mexicans apply for citizenship from Mexico, how long is that line?
Takes around 9 - 18+ plus years...
Correct, and I have never met one who thought the time and effort was not worth it.
I have also never met a naturalized citizen that supported illegals.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 11:27:04 AM
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mapachito13
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Can Mexicans apply for citizenship from Mexico, how long is that line?
I have also never met a naturalized citizen that supported illegals.
There's millions of them in CA! All of the naturalized citizens I have talked to understand why someone would come in illegally. They all think the process needs major reforms.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 1:13:01 PM
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Can Mexicans apply for citizenship from Mexico, how long is that line?
I have also never met a naturalized citizen that supported illegals.
There's millions of them in CA! All of the naturalized citizens I have talked to understand why someone would come in illegally. They all think the process needs major reforms.
The short comings of the system don’t grant relief for breaking the law... And not all the naturalized citizens I have come in contact with(and I know more than a few working the last 20 years in and around the Napa wine country) understands why someone would come in illegally, and they resent the fact they had to wait while others simply break the law and the same government looks the other way for the most part….
By all means fix the system, but there has to be control and there is nothing ungodly about maintaining order regarding the border.
John
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 1:24:52 PM
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Takes around 9 - 18+ plus years...
Earthless, stop playing. LOL. Where's the real figure of 9-18 months?
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 1:42:00 PM
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Takes around 9 - 18+ plus years...
Earthless, stop playing. LOL. Where's the real figure of 9-18 months?
Actually, to go from the initial application for a visa to naturalized citizen would take 7 years minimum.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 2:02:19 PM
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Takes around 9 - 18+ plus years...
Earthless, stop playing. LOL. Where's the real figure of 9-18 months?
Actually, to go from the initial application for a visa to naturalized citizen would take 7 years minimum.
The majority of that time is the 5 years required to live here prior to naturalization.
Requirements:
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Who is Eligible?
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) states that applicants for naturalization must be:
At least eighteen years old.
A lawful permanent resident of the United States.
Resident and physically present in the United States for at least five years at the time of application.
Of good moral character.
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Completing Your Application
Working with your attorney, you must:
Complete Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
Get two photographs of yourself that meet immigration service requirements (pose, size, lighting, etc.).
Collect the necessary documents.
Send your application, documents and fee ($320 application fee/$70 biometric fee for fingerprinting as of August 2004) to the appropriate Service Center.
There are more particulars necessary, but after the first 5-year residency, it is mostly legal procedure that can be completed relatively quickly.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 2:54:24 PM
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There's millions of them in CA! All of the naturalized citizens I have talked to understand why someone would come in illegally. They all think the process needs major reforms.
Well what can I say; California, the land of fruits and nuts.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 5:41:17 PM
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There's millions of them in CA! All of the naturalized citizens I have talked to understand why someone would come in illegally. They all think the process needs major reforms.
Well what can I say; California, the land of fruits and nuts.
Thanks
RC
Never had to deal with the INS directly haven't you?
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 5:46:11 PM
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Takes around 9 - 18+ plus years...
Earthless, stop playing. LOL. Where's the real figure of 9-18 months?
Actually, to go from the initial application for a visa to naturalized citizen would take 7 years minimum.
The majority of that time is the 5 years required to live here prior to naturalization.
Requirements:
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Who is Eligible?
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) states that applicants for naturalization must be:
At least eighteen years old.
A lawful permanent resident of the United States.
Resident and physically present in the United States for at least five years at the time of application.
Of good moral character.
and then (same source):
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Completing Your Application
Working with your attorney, you must:
Complete Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
Get two photographs of yourself that meet immigration service requirements (pose, size, lighting, etc.).
Collect the necessary documents.
Send your application, documents and fee ($320 application fee/$70 biometric fee for fingerprinting as of August 2004) to the appropriate Service Center.
There are more particulars necessary, but after the first 5-year residency, it is mostly legal procedure that can be completed relatively quickly.
This sounds like info off a web site and not from personal experience. The application to become a citizen went up this last July. The whole process will cost you about $1000.
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 6:15:25 PM
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This sounds like info off a web site and not from personal experience. The application to become a citizen went up this last July. The whole process will cost you about $1000.
Wow, that seems cheaper than paying a coyote to bring you in and then liviing a life of fear of deportation.
Thanks
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 6:32:12 PM
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Takes around 9 - 18+ plus years...
Earthless, stop playing. LOL. Where's the real figure of 9-18 months?
Actually, to go from the initial application for a visa to naturalized citizen would take 7 years minimum.
The majority of that time is the 5 years required to live here prior to naturalization.
Requirements:
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Who is Eligible?
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) states that applicants for naturalization must be:
At least eighteen years old.
A lawful permanent resident of the United States.
Resident and physically present in the United States for at least five years at the time of application.
Of good moral character.
and then (same source):
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Completing Your Application
Working with your attorney, you must:
Complete Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
Get two photographs of yourself that meet immigration service requirements (pose, size, lighting, etc.).
Collect the necessary documents.
Send your application, documents and fee ($320 application fee/$70 biometric fee for fingerprinting as of August 2004) to the appropriate Service Center.
There are more particulars necessary, but after the first 5-year residency, it is mostly legal procedure that can be completed relatively quickly.
This sounds like info off a web site and not from personal experience. The application to become a citizen went up this last July. The whole process will cost you about $1000.
That's a drop in the bucket... So guess who is picking up most of the tab...
John
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 6:47:40 PM
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This sounds like info off a web site and not from personal experience. The application to become a citizen went up this last July. The whole process will cost you about $1000.
Wow, that seems cheaper than paying a coyote to bring you in and then liviing a life of fear of deportation.
Thanks
RC
If you can afford to wait two years to put food on your family's table sure!
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 6:50:26 PM
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ORIGINAL: mapachito13
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ORIGINAL: WesSavedByGrace
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ORIGINAL: mapachito13
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Takes around 9 - 18+ plus years...
Earthless, stop playing. LOL. Where's the real figure of 9-18 months?
Actually, to go from the initial application for a visa to naturalized citizen would take 7 years minimum.
The majority of that time is the 5 years required to live here prior to naturalization.
Requirements:
quote:
Who is Eligible?
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) states that applicants for naturalization must be:
At least eighteen years old.
A lawful permanent resident of the United States.
Resident and physically present in the United States for at least five years at the time of application.
Of good moral character.
and then (same source):
quote:
Completing Your Application
Working with your attorney, you must:
Complete Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
Get two photographs of yourself that meet immigration service requirements (pose, size, lighting, etc.).
Collect the necessary documents.
Send your application, documents and fee ($320 application fee/$70 biometric fee for fingerprinting as of August 2004) to the appropriate Service Center.
There are more particulars necessary, but after the first 5-year residency, it is mostly legal procedure that can be completed relatively quickly.
This sounds like info off a web site and not from personal experience. The application to become a citizen went up this last July. The whole process will cost you about $1000.
That's a drop in the bucket... So guess who is picking up most of the tab...
John
INS apps aren't subsidized by any federal or state government so it's up to the individual to come up with the money. So, who do YOU think picks up most of the tab?
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 4/30/2008 7:01:00 PM
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Takes around 9 - 18+ plus years...
Earthless, stop playing. LOL. Where's the real figure of 9-18 months?
Actually, to go from the initial application for a visa to naturalized citizen would take 7 years minimum.
The majority of that time is the 5 years required to live here prior to naturalization.
Requirements:
quote:
Who is Eligible?
The U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) states that applicants for naturalization must be:
At least eighteen years old.
A lawful permanent resident of the United States.
Resident and physically present in the United States for at least five years at the time of application.
Of good moral character.
and then (same source):
quote:
Completing Your Application
Working with your attorney, you must:
Complete Form N-400, Application for Naturalization.
Get two photographs of yourself that meet immigration service requirements (pose, size, lighting, etc.).
Collect the necessary documents.
Send your application, documents and fee ($320 application fee/$70 biometric fee for fingerprinting as of August 2004) to the appropriate Service Center.
There are more particulars necessary, but after the first 5-year residency, it is mostly legal procedure that can be completed relatively quickly.
This sounds like info off a web site and not from personal experience. The application to become a citizen went up this last July. The whole process will cost you about $1000.
That's a drop in the bucket... So guess who is picking up most of the tab...
John
INS apps aren't subsidized by any federal or state government so it's up to the individual to come up with the money. So, who do YOU think picks up most of the tab?
Any idea what it cost to employ a federal employee? Let alone the system itself... Like I said... A drop in the bucket
John
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RE: Racial Issues in the News - One Stop Thread - 5/1/2008 5:37:07 AM
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Any idea what it cost to employ a federal employee? Let alone the system itself... Like I said... A drop in the bucket
It always boils down to cold hard cash. "In God We Trust"?
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