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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 1:06:55 AM
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My thoughts exactly, but it's still (for now, though socialism is a creeping disease in modern politics) not yet acceptable to be a communist in America, which is the only way that disadvantaged people could blame others and put their efforts into blaming them and "making them pay" (ie, redistribute the wealth). Victimhood is big business in this country.
Hmmm, I really hate to go there with politics. But, could this be why the democrats appeal so significantly to those who represent or consider themselves to be the less advantaged?
I think you got it in one :) However, neither do I want go there in this thread (or anywhere, for that matter-I've been kind of burned out politically for a coupla years now-still vote, and that's it)-I just don't have the energy for it anymore, and I'm getting sadly apathetic and cynical about the whole thing anyway. It just doesn't seem to matter sometimes, when I know more or less how the story of man ends.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 1:43:12 AM
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any poor disadvantage person
This is key.
any.
Why do we limit our charity to one race? Isn't an unemployed white poor guy the same as an unemployed black guy? This was my problem with that radio show....their premise was to get black people employed.
That...is racist.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 2:02:26 AM
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Well, if you're not dismissing them outright, then I'll welcome any response you have to the ones I posted. What can you find in that research that might inform our understanding of racism?
While in college, I studied one study after another. My advisor was absoultely right in his assessment of academics. It's nothing more than some person coming up with a theory and publishing his/her research to support it. Then, someone ele comes along and publishes a theory to counter the first theory. On and on it goes all while spending someone else's money.
I'm sure that, like you, most of my opnion/perspective on racism comes from life experience more than academic research. Yes, I am white. Growing up my parents had friends of every color. As an adult I moved to Alaska. The town I lived in had an Army post, an Air Force base, a college, and was the central community for many rural natives to come and get supplies, gather for events, etc. In the Army, during basic training, one of my drill instructors hammered home the point that in the Army, there is no race; everyone is green. I have been to several native villages where I was made to feel unwelcome because I am white. At the same time, I did not let that bother me as I continued to engage everyone in the village. I have also worked in corrections, both behind the walls and in the community. As i said in an earlier post, the onle place i have seen true racism take place was inside the prison. UNtil we get past ourselves and learn to ignore color, begin looking at character instead of pigmentation, we will never rid ourselves of racism. Like the media, academicians don't want it to go away because it generates money.
You didn't answer the question I asked about the study I linked to: "What can you find in that research that might inform our understanding of racism?"
I'm sure there's a lot wrong with academia. You don't have to convince me. But that doesn't keep some research from being well designed and informative. I'm a little concerned that you're focusing too much on the idea that academia's bad, and I don't see you focusing on a specific study that may or may not reveal something useful.
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I asked asked about your perspective on the matter as you chimed into this thread communicating some form of expertise citing stats, studies and personal experience. As I indicated in previous conversations with you that you have expressed feeling discriminated against, feeling the effects of prejudice, with regard to your lifestyle choice. I fail to see the correlation between being discriminated against for behavior as opposed to skin color.
I'm not sure what you mean by "correlation." I mean, my synagogue was vandalized when I was a kid. They did significant damage. I remember when my congregation had to fix that part of our building, and then outfit it with security measures so nobody could do the same thing again. I was sad about it, angry, scared. I remember wondering if the vandals were hiding nearby and watching us, waiting for another opportunity to strike. I remember wondering if they would return, if I'd encounter them and what I'd do.
Some Black churches have also experienced vandalism, or they know there's a distinct possibility that it will happen, based on the community they live in. Do I have some idea of what that prejudice feels like to those church members? Yes, I expect I do. I expect the grief, powerlessness, and anger, are the same... the fear that next time they might go after people rather than property... concern for your safety and loved ones... paranoia from not knowing who in the community was involved, or who else may secretly feel the same way... along with a sense of fierce unity among your congregation. Even though my religion was a personal belief, and my participation in a congregation was a chosen behavior -- not something like skin color -- I have to imagine it feels the same.
I think the same would be true for any group that's had a facility vandalized, burnt down, or whatever -- or that lives under the threat of violence. That experience will be a window into the experience of any group who faces similar prejudice.
And vandalism/violence is only one kind of prejudice. I give it as an example. But other kinds of prejudice could also be windows into someone else's experience -- e.g. prejudice as it appears in political dialogue, or in employment discrimination, or tokenization, etc.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 2:08:57 AM
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While reading through all of these posts I found something interesting in them. NOT ALL posts but most I discovered any poor disadvantage person must deal with people's prejudices. In trying to apply for a job it is his clothes not skin color that lost him the job. In making a phone call for an interview it was his poor grammar not his dialect. On his job application it was poor reading and comprehension skills. In feeling like his voice is not heard it is not what you know but who you know.
Could it possibly be some of it falls under the guise of disadvantage which affects all skin colors rather than racism?
I agree -- sometimes socioeconomic class, connections, or education may be the problem, and not race.
SonInMe, I agree, I wonder if some programs to "level the playing field" should focus more on poverty rather than on race in isolation. The social justice groups I'm involved with consider race, socioeconomic class, and other issues in combination.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 8:58:51 AM
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Why not just consider need?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 10:29:43 AM
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Why not just consider need?
LOL.
I'm poor, I'm in need, I'm not favored;
send me money. Let's share "your" wealth.
For donations to me send me e-mail for address.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 10:31:01 AM
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It didn't take long for this racist thread to be hijacked by racism.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 12:20:39 PM
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Our histories influence all of us. My history influences me. Strongly. What this little "white girl" saw of racisim was only in my own home for my first 8.5 years, when we moved to Mississippi in the late '50s. What I saw there, what I heard among those who were my parents' friends and the racist talk I heard at home, which was exponentially excelled, influenced me all right.
I was half-choked when I thought the water fountain in the Jackson zoo, which was marked "Colored Only" had Kool-Aid in it, and was given a stern education while the painful choke-hold continued. Oddly, a black family gave me a far stronger education immediately after this "lesson." They innocently trounced everything I had been told there simply by their quiet presence as they walked by. Living there for a 3.5 year period, I saw and heard a lot more. As a result, You Bet I would push toward helping the black poor first.
The number-one reason is that I don't know of any white persons ripped from their countries and families, forced onto slave ships, and placed on the auction block in the United States. The number-two reason is that they were not allowed the vote in this country for years after the vote was supposedly given to them. The number-three reason is that, in general, they were not allowed to hold public office far longer than that. The number-four reason is that I saw enough attrocity against black persons with my own eyes, based purely upon the color of their skin. The number-five reason is that I have personally seen them held down and blocked from having the simple things of life. I have multiple other reasons, but these will suffice.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 2:03:46 PM
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The number-one reason is that I don't know of any white persons ripped from their countries and families, forced onto slave ships, and placed on the auction block in the United States.
Maybe not. But it "white slavery" does exist and has existed before America got into the slavery business. It's no better or worse because of skin color.
Besides that, no African-American alive today was actually ripped from their country and auctioned off.
I don't have a problem with helping the poor, or with helping people of color. But, IMO the "help" that is being handed out now is not actually helping them, but keeping them down.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 2:38:00 PM
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I am very well aware of "white slavery," but the use of the term is not limited to "white" people.
As far as the help given to people, it FULLY depends upon what kind of help is given, whether it is helpful or detrimental. There are many kinds of "help," some of which I understand full-well is not helpful.
Upon reading here again, I noticed that in my post above, I had hit a 6 instead of a 5, so I fixed that, then noted that I had not answered you regarding quote:
Besides that, no African-American alive today was actually ripped from their country and auctioned off. I think you wrote that facetiously, Capaccino.  I think that you also full-well recognize that the residuals of generations of horrid treatment as slaves, later as second-class citizens, lack of decent education, etc., remain for some.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 3:07:32 PM
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1 Do they exist?
2 Why do they exist?
3 How can they be overcome?
4 What should be done about past offenses?
1 - of course races exist. Saying they don't exist is the same as saying that dog breeds or cat breeds don't exist. One species with color and other variants.
2 - Because God made us that way. A former elder once quipped that anytime God makes a distinction it is for mutual blessing: Husband and wife, parent and child, Jew and Gentile. I believe the same goes for races - mutual blessing.
3 - If God made them they should be noted and celebrated, NOT "overcome."
4 - repentance and forgiveness; over and over and over if necessary.
BTW - there are more races than just "black" and "white."
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 4:31:57 PM
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We can't just move on! Racism is rampant in our media. The media feeds the majority's need, who returns the favor with their business. How can we say "get over it and move on", when we overlook something we supposedly have the power to change?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 5:28:41 PM
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We can't just move on! Racism is rampant in our media. The media feeds the majority's need, who returns the favor with their business. How can we say "get over it and move on", when we overlook something we supposedly have the power to change?
Could you please expand on your thoughts here, I seem to be missing something.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 7:53:08 PM
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We can't just move on! Racism is rampant in our media. The media feeds the majority's need, who returns the favor with their business. How can we say "get over it and move on", when we overlook something we supposedly have the power to change?
Could you please expand on your thoughts here, I seem to be missing something.
Thanks
RC
Sure! First off, as DaveW noted in a prior post, there are races other than Black and White involved in this issue of racism. That being said, while I still believe that racism is still perpetuated towards Black Americans in the media (movies, TV shows, etc....and although there is certainly an improvement from say, the early 20th century), there's another race that is highly victimized by our media. Basically, Asian Americans. However, there's a separate dynamic involved in terms of gender. Asian females are hyper-sexualized, and Asian males are de-sexualized, or emasculated. As we can see from viewing old movies on Turner Classic Movies, we practiced a similar form of emasculating the Black man. Basically, attempted to present him as physically/sexually unattractive as possible. We saw the error of our ways (not on our own accord, but well after the fact) and put a halt to this cinematic practice somewhere around the time of the Civil Rights Movement when the light switch finally came on. The emasculation of the Asian male has however been in practice for equally as long, and continues on to this day. The misconception being, that this is fully accepted among Asian-Americans and written off as trivial.
There was a couple of instances where some highly questionable material was produced in Christian literature which perpetuated stereotypes of Asian immigrants in America and abroad. One booklet was designed for youth, and possessed a play script about someone ordering Chinese food where the party on the other line taking the order was using a stereo-type of a mock Chinese accent. This eventually brought on protest. To the publishers credit, who I believe was more indirectly involved with the script being in the publication, apologized rather profusely. He had the skit removed, and promised anyone involved a new booklet minus the script. However, there was a similar youth oriented publication with a very questionable write-up which more or less failed to give an accurate account of the differences between the different Asian ethnicities, nations, and cultures. It basically gave the impression that all Asian nations were the same. The responses were far less understanding among Christians in a blog produced on the subject. Comments were made to the effect that over-sensitivity was in play.
As far as my comment on taking action. Well, isn't true, as an example, that if the public demanded that a certain character not be killed off on a TV drama, that the producers will heed the demand of the masses?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 9:08:31 PM
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the producers will heed the demand of the masses?
I think this sums up a lot of problems.
You can look over in the movie forum and see some appalling things
the "christians" are watching, and see nothing wrong with the context of
what they are watching.
We live in a "lawless" society.
I hear Pat Buchanan has a book out about this nation has lost it with no
return if we continue as we are. I don't know what it's about, but I agree
with the topic if that's what the book is about. Sometimes I even find it
a struggle to pray over certain things as I know the Scripture says these
things will play out the way they do. In that case, I pray for the salvation
of those who will listen. God's will be done.
If we study the Word, we find nation taken over by other nations.
On the surface it appears one is prejudice over the other, and probably are.
But as we study the facts, the one nation is overthrown because of it's rebellion
against God by another nation. I see no reason to see any other reason why
one group may be trampled by another. Whites are no exempt.
This nation is not exempt. I see it nowhere in the end times of the Word.
If the ones "CALLED BY HIS NAME" do not fall on their face, be humble, pray,
and turn from THEIR WICKEDNESS, this land will not be HEALED.
What can we do to stop prejudices of any kind?
PRAY and OBEY!!!
It's a two step process.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 9:42:37 PM
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I think we have a problem in this thread. The problem is that many here seem to be confusing racism with prejudice and sterotypes.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 9:53:40 PM
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the producers will heed the demand of the masses?
I think this sums up a lot of problems.
You can look over in the movie forum and see some appalling things
the "christians" are watching, and see nothing wrong with the context of
what they are watching.
We live in a "lawless" society.
I hear Pat Buchanan has a book out about this nation has lost it with no
return if we continue as we are. I don't know what it's about, but I agree
with the topic if that's what the book is about. Sometimes I even find it
a struggle to pray over certain things as I know the Scripture says these
things will play out the way they do. In that case, I pray for the salvation
of those who will listen. God's will be done.
If we study the Word, we find nation taken over by other nations.
On the surface it appears one is prejudice over the other, and probably are.
But as we study the facts, the one nation is overthrown because of it's rebellion
against God by another nation. I see no reason to see any other reason why
one group may be trampled by another. Whites are no exempt.
This nation is not exempt. I see it nowhere in the end times of the Word.
If the ones "CALLED BY HIS NAME" do not fall on their face, be humble, pray,
and turn from THEIR WICKEDNESS, this land will not be HEALED.
What can we do to stop prejudices of any kind?
PRAY and OBEY!!!
It's a two step process.
I agree that prayer is most certainly the answer as far as stopping prejudice. As far as television, I believe that most Christians will take interest in some sort of media oriented programming whether it be movies, TV dramas, sit-coms, documentaries, sports, etc. I do know Christians who have removed the TV from their life, except maybe Christian programming; but I think most will become a viewer of some form of media programming. Whether or not what they choose to watch is profitable/unprofitable, or sinful, is between them and God. Some people view the media as a camouflage of what's really going on behind the scenes. A depiction of what the real powers that be want us to believe. This may or may not be true, but I believe the media is something we can learn from as far as where we are at in terms of a broad general public mindset.
Because most of us will practice media outlet viewer-ship in some form or another, we can also learn about ever present racism in our society through this outlet. At times it can confirm our own personal experiences. If we see racism displayed right in front of us while interacting with the media on a viewer-ship level; then how can we dismiss it and merely suggest someone ignore it or get over it when we see evidence of them being victimized?
But again; as far as prayer, absolutely!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 10:10:39 PM
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I think we have a problem in this thread. The problem is that many here seem to be confusing racism with prejudice and sterotypes.
I think you're right on. I think this happens all too frequently.
Matt Smith, I have not addressed the study you cited because I don't want to take the time. One of the reasons I addressed you in particular with regard to this topic is that you have indicated to me in private conversations that you have felt discriminated against and that you come here to this site to educate those of us who don't agree with your lifestyle. You have addressed the matter with regard to your growing up Jewish. You have not disclosed to anyone here your sexual orientation. That's why I view your posts with suspicion. You have an agenda. We all have an agenda, but your is contrary to what this site is about and you seem to only be here to direct believers away from Christ.
I say this knowing that I could get TOS'd. But, this is exactly why the issue of racism gets confused with prejudice and discrimination. Too many are wanting to take the focus off their sin and stir the pot on other issues so they don't have to change anything about self.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 10:14:05 PM
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I think you wrote that facetiously, Capaccino. I think that you also full-well recognize that the residuals of generations of horrid treatment as slaves, later as second-class citizens, lack of decent education, etc., remain for some.
Of course.  But arguing that we should do something for someone now because of something someone did to their great-great grandparents is a faulty arument, IMO. There are much better arguments out there.
I know all about discrimination and lack of opportunity. My husband is a black immigrant with a thick accent. Although, he would say he sees more blatant discrimination from American blacks. Several we have met admitted until they actually met a "real, live African" they had very wrong, very negative opinions about African's intelligence and character. 
White folks handing out "reparations" isn't going to go all the way to curing what's wrong for African Americans. Unfortunately, even AA folks who suggest that at least some change has to come from within get shouted down.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 11:15:39 PM
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The only people who get 'reparations' from Americans are Jews -- for crimes and atrocities committed by Germans and other Europeans during world war ii.
No wonder people around the world think that Europeans are still mental slaves of the Judeo-concept.
After all -- Many swear to Jewish Jesus.
Many put the Holy Land before their own people -- sending billions to maintain the same welfare they abhor in the US.
Many are thoroughly brainwashed to believe in racist dogma (i.e. the racist 'curse of ham' lie placed in the Bible by Biblical translators to spread racism against Blacks).
The only way racism will end is when racism is made impotent - that means the victims will have to fight for their own space - and let the blue-eyed and the brown-eyed hate each other -- let the Catholics and Protestants dispise each other as they do today in Northern Ireland.
The disease of racism has to have a cure, but that cure has to be 100 percent fool proof.
Racism is an ideology like communism or facism or any 'ism...it is pounded in the heads of people till they loose their souls and bow before the God of racism (whoever comes on radio - talk shows, ect...and claims to be speaking the 'truth,' the Horro-witzes, the Limblows, the 'fake blonde' unKulter, Savarage and these folks-- mostly peole whose parents and grandparents were victims of Nazi Germany, where they were the scapegoats.
Today, they have taken on to attacking Black folks - and as far as some of us observe, Black people have yet to counter-attack this racist propaganda -- however the rest of the planet is observing and will never allow themselves to be abused as Black Americans have.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 11:24:05 PM
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You are not very subtly advocating hatred and revenge against whites, and a Christian website is not the place for this kind of rhetoric.
Is there a full moon lately, that people are showing up here and making use of Crosswalk bandwidth, to advance agendas that are against Christian principles, much less the TOS?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/26/2007 11:24:07 PM
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But arguing that we should do something for someone now because of something someone did to their great-great grandparents is a faulty arument, IMO. There are much better arguments out there. Waaall, I think I know you well enough to know that we can disagree and remain friends. The reason I don't find such an argument faulty is because of the generational problems that continued. Mentioned before, but when people were freed from slavery in 1862, many then worked for wages that could hardly put them in a better position than they were in as slaves. While many Caucasions in the US had access to both better housing and education, they were allowed neither, so that held them back, along with the poverty. Their progeny, then, started while already behind. 1862 wasn't very long ago. That was merely when my great-great-grandparents were children and teens! Three generations at the most for those my age.
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I know all about discrimination and lack of opportunity. My husband is a black immigrant with a thick accent. Although, he would say he sees more blatant discrimination from American blacks. Several we have met admitted until they actually met a "real, live African" they had very wrong, very negative opinions about African's intelligence and character. I have seen that, too. Amazing.
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White folks handing out "reparations" isn't going to go all the way to curing what's wrong for African Americans. Unfortunately, even AA folks who suggest that at least some change has to come from within get shouted down. Please uinderstand that I am not writing about reparations. One of the ways I have helped is simply tutoring reading, writing, and math to those who, when they were children and teens, they slacked their way through. After they had graduated from the system here, they realized that they needed to go back and actually learn what they had fooled the teachers into thinking they had learned.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/27/2007 12:24:28 AM
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But, this is exactly why the issue of racism gets confused with prejudice and discrimination.
I agree and I think it would be in favor to MODERATE the discussion for the mods to actually have a working definition of racism. If this doesn't not happen then the issue can never be truly discussed because to many people are speaking to many different languages.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/27/2007 8:49:33 AM
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 11/27/2007 8:50:36 AM
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But, this is exactly why the issue of racism gets confused with prejudice and discrimination.
I agree and I think it would be in favor to MODERATE the discussion for the mods to actually have a working definition of racism. If this doesn't not happen then the issue can never be truly discussed because to many people are speaking to many different languages.
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I am open to the idea of the group working together to agree on a definition that will be applied throughout the discussion.
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