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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/8/2008 1:14:57 PM
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I believe that there were white slaves in america at this time and also indentured servents...?
I don't think, if I remember correctly, slavery in america was only black people.
You are correct, SonInMe1. There were white indentured servants that typically served an agreed upon term. And there were white slaves that were slaves for life.
The second group primarily consisted of the offspring born of sexual relations between white masters and black women.
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If anyone had doubt about the existence of white slaves, the picture “EMANCIPATED SLAVES, WHITE AND COLORED” in an 1864 edition of Harper’s Weekly would have been proof. The descriptions of the white slaves were as follows: “Rebecca Huger is eleven years old.... To all appearance she is perfectly white. Her complexion, hair, and features show not the slightest trace of negro blood.... Rosina Downs is not quite seven years old. She is a fair child, with blonde complexion and silky hair.... She has one sister as white as herself.... Charles Taylor is eight years old. His complexion is very fair, his hair light and silky....this white boy...has been twice sold as a slave.”4
White slavery was on the mind of the public in the antebellum North, and this was reflected in popular fictional literature. The Slave: or Memoirs of Archy Moore by Richard Hildreth was published in 1836 and holds the distinction of being the first antislavery novel. Archy is a white slave who tells his readers early on, “From my mother I inherited some imperceptible portion of African blood, and with it, the base and cursed condition of a slave.” The novel was greatly enlarged and expanded in 1852 with the new title, The White Slave; or, Memoirs of a Fugitive. The character of Archy Moore as a white mulatto set the precedent for the heroes and heroines of antislavery novels and other literature that followed. Uncle Tom’s Cabin by Harriet Beecher Stowe is a good example. George Harris, a slave, is described as “a very light mulatto” who could “pass for a white man.” Up through 1861, no less than seventeen works of literature utilized a stereotype known as the “tragic mulatto,” heroes and heroines with light or white complexions who found themselves in such “tragic” situations as the surprise discovery of slave status. The Octoroon, a very popular play by Dion Boucicault scheduled to be performed at Ford’s Theatre the night after Lincoln attended Our American Cousin there, shows that the “tragic mulatto” character had broad appeal. White readers and theatergoers were readily able to identify with white or nearly white characters who were oppressed under slavery.
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When one thinks of slavery in America, images of black and brown people come to mind. A little-known fact but true nonetheless, white people were also slaves. The white slavery spoken of in this paper is not about the indentured servants of the 1600s and 1700s, who were sometimes referred to as white slaves while in servitude during their five to seven-year terms. Rather, the white slaves addressed herein were slaves for life, chattel slaves with the same social status as their black and brown counterparts. Several generations of interracial sexual relations between black slave women and white plantation masters or other white men created a population of white slaves, so-called white mulattoes, slaves who looked white and showed no visible African ancestry whatsoever.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/8/2008 2:29:00 PM
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Yes from both sides. I agree.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/23/2008 4:30:43 PM
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Watching the current election, we know that race is in the news alot.
What has me thinking about it(as if I don't enough)
is some posts I have seen.
Can you be a racist Christian as long as you don't"hate" or act upon it?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/23/2008 8:52:35 PM
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Watching the current election, we know that race is in the news alot.
What has me thinking about it(as if I don't enough)
is some posts I have seen.
Can you be a racist Christian as long as you don't"hate" or act upon it?
There are all kinds of things wrong with and about Christians. Can one be a Christian if they are racist. Maybe. Will they be a good witness? Doubtful.
I don't want to shock anyone but I was born and raised in Alabama and I truly don't understand why so much has to come down to skin color. There is an old saying that there is no atheist in a foxhole. I sa there is also no racist in a foxhole either. Having been involved in State Government for almost 30 years I have encountered racist of just about every ethnic background there is. Once this trait comes out I pay little attention to anything else they have to say. That is the reason I doubt a Christian with racist tendencies would make a very good witness.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/23/2008 9:02:56 PM
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Watching the current election, we know that race is in the news alot.
What has me thinking about it(as if I don't enough)
is some posts I have seen.
Can you be a racist Christian as long as you don't"hate" or act upon it?
No.... Christ said if it's in your heart it's liken to doing it...
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/23/2008 9:12:38 PM
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In another thread about stereotypes it was brought up by a balck person that they are stereotyped, not only by whites by by blacks as well, for "acting white".
Does this happen a lot? Do black people look down on other black people for speaking grammatically correct with good enunciation? For being educated?
Why are those traits..."white" traits?
I have actually seen this.
The knife cuts both ways, SonInMe1.
For some, I don't speak "black" enough... or "white" enough....
I just try to be Christian enough.
I don't understand your criticism.
I asked a question based on experience. This rift I experience at work is bad enough where someone was fired over it, or the reprecussions from it. Prejudice based upon speaking patterns that resulted in hatreds that resulted in someone getting fired.
I would say it is a very legitimate question.
I also work in an enviroment where there are many different native languages spoken. From Creole to spanish to eastern european. Communication is a very difficult thing at times.
I was raised in an area where there was NO diverstiy, a rural setting where the differences between people were slight.
I asked a legitimate question.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/23/2008 10:16:25 PM
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There are all kinds of things wrong with and about Christians. Can one be a Christian if they are racist. Maybe. Will they be a good witness? Doubtful.
I like the way you put that.
Would you witness to a racist?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/23/2008 10:20:30 PM
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No.... Christ said if it's in your heart it's liken to doing it...
That's what I think also.
with all going on, I pray for this country and all the racist junk going on.
I'm trying not to run with the mobs. It gets hard. Then I think what is in my heart.
Don't want nothing but Jesus there.
It is a daily killing of the flesh.
I guess I just thought all Christians would know it was wrong period.
I learn something new everyday here!
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/23/2008 10:20:51 PM
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I do not think so, you are a new creation when Christ changes you.
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There are all kinds of things wrong with and about Christians. Can one be a Christian if they are racist. Maybe. Will they be a good witness? Doubtful.
I like the way you put that.
Would you witness to a racist?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/23/2008 10:21:59 PM
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tracydolls
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I asked a legitimate question.
the King's English is not native to any African or African American.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/23/2008 10:32:02 PM
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, I have a question why are we divided, should not our unity in Christ, come before black or white? Race can become an idol, something we put before Christ and the church. What is the what is the deal with thi?. We cannot control sinners, but judgment starts in the house of God first, If white or black is putting ethnic heritage before Christ church, that is idolatry, and we know what Revelation 21, says is the place for people such as this. When are we ALL going to be worthy to proclaim we belong to Christ? When do we just mature?
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2008 7:18:38 AM
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Just a couple of more points.
Tracydolls if you want to be free of racism in your own life then do so. There is nothing or noone that can make you a racist or keep you from being one. It is a choice you have to make. I know I made the choice.
I know some people said it was o.k. to be a racist and a Christian. I said maybe. The reason I said that is all Christians have things in their lives that are not right. They(We) have to constantly pray those things be removed and ask forgiveness. Therefore a Christian may be a racist. But this is just another thing They need to ask God to remove from their lives.
You ask me if I would witness to a racist. In answer I will witnes to anyone. The great commission did not specify a certain race. It said go into all the world.
You said the kings english was not native to Africans or African-Americans. I disagree strongly with this. It is definitely not native to Africans. However for those African-Americans born in this country it is their native language. Unless they have studied and learned another language it is their only language. With that said I don't have a problem with the way African-Americans speak. Heck, folks up North think I talk funny too. Its called dialects. There are usually several in every language. My ancestry goes back to the CHerokee Indians. As a matter of fact I am a member of the Eastern Cherokee Nation. However I have never considered the Cherokee language as my native tongue. I can only say a few words in that language. English is my native tongue. I dare say you are several generations removed from Africa and probably do not speak any of the languages that are native to that country. Therefore your native tongue would also be english.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2008 8:05:40 AM
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It isn't okay to be a racist and a Christian.
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20If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
Philippians 2
5Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
racism
1. The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
2. Discrimination or prejudice based on race.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2008 9:00:03 AM
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the King's English is not native to any African or African American.
and I don't hear any american from african decent speaking any african languages....or are you saying blacks are incapable of speaking english?
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Race can become an idol, something we put before Christ and the church.
No doubt and from any racial background as well.
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Some Christians have said it is ok.
I have never met one.
My wife's sister now lives in rural Georgia. There is no doubt there is racism there. A black lady that she knew died and their chapel was unavailable for the funeral and she asked her church if they would do it...no way. It just wasn't done like that there.
People...sometimes change never comes to them.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2008 9:56:02 AM
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Does anyone think it will matter jack what color we are in heaven? I just do not get it, I am legal guardian over a little black girl, she loves me, and I her. She tells everyone she sees "this is my mama". She is mentally challenged, but the purity in her heart, she does not see me as her white mama, just someone who loves her, and will lay down my life for her.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2008 10:04:12 AM
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the King's English is not native to any African or African American.
That is a silly statement.
Thanks
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2008 10:52:42 AM
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Can you be a racist Christian as long as you don't "hate" or act upon it?
Yes you can.
Look at the days of slavery. A lot of Christians were slave owners. They felt they were doing the right thing and that they were following God's Word.
Christians aren't perfect and racism is an imperfection.
Racism isn't right in God's eyes. It never has been. Then again, Christians aren't perfect. They never have been.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2008 3:01:51 PM
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Tracydolls if you want to be free of racism in your own life then do so. There is nothing or noone that can make you a racist or keep you from being one. It is a choice you have to make. I know I made the choice.
Yeah, so have I. I used to be proud of my racism, walk around with my head high, now I just hang my head and ask forgiveness for it.
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You said the kings english was not native to Africans or African-Americans. I disagree strongly with this. It is definitely not native to Africans. However for those African-Americans born in this country it is their native language.
I disagree, we don't speak the kings english.  We do have a form of american english dialect. our own dialect.
Just like there is a country dialect, a new englander dialect.
My mother holding me is portuguese and french-canadian, my father is black ( Nigerian Ibo_, choctow indian and tested with a European Hablagroup.)
In Us, I'm african american, black,etc.
My native tongue is ghetto. Northern , urban, inner city black english.
Trust me, it sounds very different from people from the south. No matter the color. My hubby still sounds funny to me. I still go huh?
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Does anyone think it will matter jack what color we are in heaven?
It won't.
I think we can discuss it, no? How do we mend fences if we don't talk?
Diva, thanks. It took me a while to figure it out how to get my own avatars.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2008 3:13:47 PM
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My native tongue is ghetto. Northern , urban, inner city black english.
I humbly disagree; Ghetto is not a native tongue, it is a corruption of correct englis spoken by folks who are too lazy to learn english correctly.
When I was a kid, my parents, grandparets, etc. would whop me up beside the head when I used slang. It is too bad that everyone does not do that with their children.
Poor communication skills really do hold one back from their true potential.
Thanks
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2008 3:33:06 PM
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How bout Okie? My last name is Taylor, people up north think I say Tyler.
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RE: A Matter of Color... Skin Color - One Stop Thread - 5/24/2008 7:59:42 PM
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Ghetto is native to millions of americans, and home to them also.
We could say the same thing about those that speak "country".
Rc,
I can scan you a copy of college transcript, got an Aplus in advanced english. Was'nt to lazy to learn it but can't speak it.
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How bout Okie?
Light, lol you already know Okie is another dialect by itself. My aunt lives in Tulsa, believe me they talk like no other I have heard, it's like country with a twang with ?...
Okie.
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