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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 11:36:55 AM
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Krislynx
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The formula might have caused the constipation just because he wasn't used to it, not necessarily due to the composition of the formula. It actually works the opposite in our house. My son is a poop once every 3 days kind of guy unless he gets a bottle of formula and then he goes 3x in a day! Anyway, this is kind of gross but one of my baby care books recommends inserting a rectal thermometer for a few seconds (like taking a temp but shorter). It also says it can cause some immediate and umm shall we say impressive results. Don't know, we have never tried it. Biking Bug's legs, rubbing his tummy or pushing his knees to his tummy always have helped us with gas or poops. (sometimes the every 3 days thing turns into 4 or 5 and he gets very uncomfortable) Hope baby feels better soon. And that you enjoyed that extra sleep!
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 12:34:36 PM
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A doctor told my neighbour that a drop of maple syrup would help also... and that kind of advice is why I have a 6yo that is allergic to corn syrup. DO NOT DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excellent point - I personally wouldn't have wanted to add sugar to a baby's diet, just because it's sugar, I hadn't thought of allergies.
I always found that the cooled boiled water thing helped things along nicely.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 12:50:20 PM
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Whenever I give Judah formula I always water it down a bit more.
And I only buy the low iron formula.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 12:58:03 PM
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corn is one of the more highly allergenic things... I'm not sure that maple/molasses/sugarcane would cause the same problems...
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 5:37:46 PM
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We had a big poop this afternoon, a BIG one..so we're all good!
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 6:03:32 PM
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I would give him some water like Manda said, his little body will take some time to get used to the formula
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 10:00:20 PM
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The formula might have caused the constipation just because he wasn't used to it, not necessarily due to the composition of the formula. It actually works the opposite in our house. My son is a poop once every 3 days kind of guy unless he gets a bottle of formula and then he goes 3x in a day! Anyway, this is kind of gross but one of my baby care books recommends inserting a rectal thermometer for a few seconds (like taking a temp but shorter). It also says it can cause some immediate and umm shall we say impressive results. Don't know, we have never tried it. Biking Bug's legs, rubbing his tummy or pushing his knees to his tummy always have helped us with gas or poops. (sometimes the every 3 days thing turns into 4 or 5 and he gets very uncomfortable) Hope baby feels better soon. And that you enjoyed that extra sleep!
Kris
I do NOT recommend using a thermometer rectally...EVER. In fact, I had a doctor who refused to do rectal temperatures UNLESS the auxiliary temp read over 103...when he was in med school he saw an EXPERIENCED pediatrician punctured the rectum of a baby. He researched it and found that unless a temp is over 103, there is no medical reason to EVER take on rectally. The only reason you would do it over 103 is to know exactly what the temp is...up to 103...auxiliary is completely accurate if you remember to add 1 degree (it is actually more like 1.3...but 1 degree is easier) to the reading....so there is no way I would recommend using one to enable a bowel movement.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 10:01:37 PM
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We had a big poop this afternoon, a BIG one..so we're all good!
yea!!!
I do recommend as others have, giving him a little water on the days you give him formula..and making sure to switch to a LOW iron formula. Iron enriched formula DOES cause constipation.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 10:09:35 PM
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Also remember that irregular poop cycles can be perfectly ordinary, as I was repeatedly advised that there is no reason to go to a doctor unless you have not seen poop for 10 days!
My daughter's cycle from about 2 months old until almost a year was to 'hold it' for 6 or 7 days, then have a day full of poops... each one softer than the last. We learned to expect this, although we could see she was getting uncomfortable by about day 5. If we needed to, at day 8 or 9, we would use an infant's glycerin suppository to get things moving.
It seems like a baby's insides just find their own rhythm, and almost anything is considered normal and healthy.
(After she was a year old, lots of fiber, prunes, cod liver oil later, plus becoming much more mobile things began to even out. She still (almost 3 now) often goes without going for up to 4 days, though.)
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 10:19:33 PM
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Yolanda, YEAH POOPIES! Sorry, that is something that gets said around my house a lot. But I thought that it might fit your situation with Chase.
WOF - Thanks for the information.
Just as a note though:
We always take an initial temp axillary but our pediatrician TOLD us to do a rectal temp if we ever get a reading over 99 because they feel it is important to know the exact temp of an infant under 6 months if it is over 100.3 Also most of the baby thermometers sold today are designed so that they can not accidentally be inserted too far.
The book I got the information (for the constipation) from was written by a pediatrician.
The American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend low iron formula for healthy babies.
I believe they also say that there is no scientific evidence that iron in formula causes constipation (I read this while I was pregnant, but I can't remember where. It was part of an article debating whether or not to give BF babies vitamin D and iron supplementation)
I am not saying that my information is better than yours and I don't want to start a debate. I simply wanted to show that I was not just "blowing smoke" or making things up.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 10:27:00 PM
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I do NOT recommend using a thermometer rectally...EVER. In fact, I had a doctor who refused to do rectal temperatures UNLESS the auxiliary temp read over 103...when he was in med school he saw an EXPERIENCED pediatrician punctured the rectum of a baby. He researched it and found that unless a temp is over 103, there is no medical reason to EVER take on rectally. The only reason you would do it over 103 is to know exactly what the temp is...up to 103...auxiliary is completely accurate if you remember to add 1 degree (it is actually more like 1.3...but 1 degree is easier) to the reading....so there is no way I would recommend using one to enable a bowel movement.
So if you were at a doctors office/ER/whatever where they routinely do rectal temperature readings do you refuse it for your babies? It always made me uncomfortable when they did rectal readings with Judah, and I would 'lightly protest' and ask them to do it another way, but I never had any 'intelligent' reasoning as to why I didn't like it and they always did them as "that's what we do." I was actually told at the hospital he was born at (which is a different hospital than the military one... they have women deliver at a civilian hospital) anyways, I was told in the NICU that you can ONLY take a babies temperature rectally. Which I didn't believe, especially since his own doctor does armpit readings, and only one time asked for a rectal reading due to a higher temp. But the ERs (been to two different ones) and the NICU all did rectal.
So anyways, all that to ask you to share HOW and WHAT you tell the medical world when your baby needs his or her temp taken! Thanks 
ETA: And also, do they give you any issues over it?
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 10:36:38 PM
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Krislynx
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I do have to admit that I find it confusing that both at the hospital (reg. maternity/nursery not NICU) and docs office they use an axillary temp, but tell parents to take rectal. I can only guess that if they had a questionable or high reading they would take it rectally to confirm.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 11:05:52 PM
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I do NOT recommend using a thermometer rectally...EVER. In fact, I had a doctor who refused to do rectal temperatures UNLESS the auxiliary temp read over 103...when he was in med school he saw an EXPERIENCED pediatrician punctured the rectum of a baby. He researched it and found that unless a temp is over 103, there is no medical reason to EVER take on rectally. The only reason you would do it over 103 is to know exactly what the temp is...up to 103...auxiliary is completely accurate if you remember to add 1 degree (it is actually more like 1.3...but 1 degree is easier) to the reading....so there is no way I would recommend using one to enable a bowel movement.
So if you were at a doctors office/ER/whatever where they routinely do rectal temperature readings do you refuse it for your babies? It always made me uncomfortable when they did rectal readings with Judah, and I would 'lightly protest' and ask them to do it another way, but I never had any 'intelligent' reasoning as to why I didn't like it and they always did them as "that's what we do." I was actually told at the hospital he was born at (which is a different hospital than the military one... they have women deliver at a civilian hospital) anyways, I was told in the NICU that you can ONLY take a babies temperature rectally. Which I didn't believe, especially since his own doctor does armpit readings, and only one time asked for a rectal reading due to a higher temp. But the ERs (been to two different ones) and the NICU all did rectal.
So anyways, all that to ask you to share HOW and WHAT you tell the medical world when your baby needs his or her temp taken! Thanks
ETA: And also, do they give you any issues over it?
I have never had a doctor on a routine visit take a rectal temperature. They have always done auxilary temps and done the math or had the really handy dandy ones that do the exact math and are accurate to the .0001. I have only had two kids that had to have rectal temps done...one was my oldest Ds who had a fever of 103.8 auxiliary (and it came out to be...103.9 rectally) and my middle daughter. Hers was due to an accident where her finger was nearly amputated and they took it rectally to check against shock (too low a temp)...the paramedics had taken it auxiliary and it was 98.6...they took the rectal that hospital and it read...98.6.
I would request them to NOT do one if it was a routine check up...but if I was bringing in a very sick baby...it would depend on the temperature of my child and whether or not I thought the child would fight them over it.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/27/2007 11:15:15 PM
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Yolanda, YEAH POOPIES! Sorry, that is something that gets said around my house a lot. But I thought that it might fit your situation with Chase.
WOF - Thanks for the information.
Just as a note though:
We always take an initial temp axillary but our pediatrician TOLD us to do a rectal temp if we ever get a reading over 99 because they feel it is important to know the exact temp of an infant under 6 months if it is over 100.3 Also most of the baby thermometers sold today are designed so that they can not accidentally be inserted too far.
The book I got the information (for the constipation) from was written by a pediatrician.
The American Academy of Pediatrics does not recommend low iron formula for healthy babies.
I believe they also say that there is no scientific evidence that iron in formula causes constipation (I read this while I was pregnant, but I can't remember where. It was part of an article debating whether or not to give BF babies vitamin D and iron supplementation)
I am not saying that my information is better than yours and I don't want to start a debate. I simply wanted to show that I was not just "blowing smoke" or making things up.
Kris
I am well aware that the information is standard procedure from some pediatricians..I am just stating that it is unnecessary...and dangerous..even with the newer thermometers. This doctor saw a 30 year veteran in pediatric medicine puncture a baby's rectum and the baby nearly died. He (my doctor) then did over a year's worth of research and took surveys at several hospitals only to find that MOST hospitals did NOT practice it because it was unnecessary and dangerous....and I have had babies under the age of 6 months run fevers of 101..and NEVER did any of the doctors push rectal temps at those times.
as to low iron/regular iron formula...IF a baby is on formula for 1/2 of all feedings or more...than the iron issue comes into play, but for the occasional bottle...low iron is still considered a good choice as the iron in mother's milk is much more readily absorbed....
Kind of like if someone eats a lot of dark greens and kidney beans, chances are they do NOT need to take another iron supplement on the occasional day they opt to skip those food choices for one meal.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/28/2007 12:19:52 AM
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Since it wasn't that much formula, I don't think that could have caused it. It is pretty normal for breastfed babies to not poop for up to 5 days. They can get uncomfortable though. The sugar water or juice makes the poop get more water in it, it doesn't actually make the baby's bowels move the poop out. So, while sugar water or juice may be good to give a formula fed constipated baby, it's kind of pointless for a breastfed baby. When he does actually pooop that difficult poop out, it will be soft. The definition of consitpation is hard poop. My ped recommended if the baby gets super uncomfortable and is trying so hard to poop it out, then a supository would be better than the sugar water or juice. Leg bicycling and I Love You technique often help, but not always. Babies just don't really know how use their bowles properly, and that's why breastfed babies get backed up all time. If he doesn't poop for the next couple days, be sure to carry some extra clothes with you because that's gonna be x days worth of poop coming out. LOL! Jimmy and Timmy were both every-5-day-poopers for a short time.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/28/2007 12:24:28 AM
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Since it wasn't that much formula, I don't think that could have caused it. It is pretty normal for breastfed babies to not poop for up to 5 days. They can get uncomfortable though. The sugar water or juice makes the poop get more water in it, it doesn't actually make the baby's bowels move the poop out. So, while sugar water or juice may be good to give a formula fed constipated baby, it's kind of pointless for a breastfed baby. When he does actually pooop that difficult poop out, it will be soft. The definition of consitpation is hard poop. My ped recommended if the baby gets super uncomfortable and is trying so hard to poop it out, then a supository would be better than the sugar water or juice. Leg bicycling and I Love You technique often help, but not always. Babies just don't really know how use their bowles properly, and that's why breastfed babies get backed up all time. If he doesn't poop for the next couple days, be sure to carry some extra clothes with you because that's gonna be x days worth of poop coming out. LOL! Jimmy and Timmy were both every-5-day-poopers for a short time.
actually breastfed babies poop less because they digest more of their food and have less waste product (and that is not all babies...some breastfed babies poop more because they are getting plenty of fluids which DO help your bowels to move...constipation is the bowels inability to absorb and utilize water properly and diarrhea is the excess of water in the bowels...both can be caused by imbalances,viruses, etc...but that is the cause of the water imbalance)
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/28/2007 1:10:53 AM
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You know, I have never had a dr. who did rectal temps for any of my kids. They have done axillary, ear, forehead, but never rectal and never told me to do one either.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/28/2007 3:58:17 AM
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never heard of rectal temps on kids before!!
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/28/2007 11:02:49 PM
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Okay, I think I need some help here. Bug(DS) is 4 months old and I pump exclusively for him. It seems like I am pumping around the clock but to be honest it is 6-7x/day for 20 minutes a breast (sometimes double pumping, others not). All in all I haven't had too many problems but for the last couple of weeks my breasts have been really sore and achy. I feel fine, no fever on anything so it's not mastitis or anything nasty like that. At least I don't think so. But then yesterday my nipples were cracked very badly, almost overnight. What I think is a little odd is that they haven't really been sore - they are now though!
So here I finally get around to my questions: Is there anything I can do for the general achy soreness? And other than lanolin is there anything I should (or for that matter should not) do to help heal the cracks? Any and all suggestions welcome. Thanks.
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RE: Got Mommy's Milk, Take 5 - 10/28/2007 11:48:35 PM
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So here I finally get around to my questions: Is there anything I can do for the general achy soreness? And other than lanolin is there anything I should (or for that matter should not) do to help heal the cracks? Any and all suggestions welcome. Thanks.
Lanolin is great for cracked and hurtie nipples. As far as the achiness...it doesn't have to be matsitis...it could just be a clogged duct. When I was pumping with Hannah, I was also using a shield, sometimes the pump, a manual one, wouldn't always open all of the faucets, so to speak. Are you sure that the pump is draining each breast most effectively? Try and massage each breast as you pump, and rub and massage any lumps, bumps, or achy spots that you feel...that should help things. Once your nips are more healed you could 'milk' them in the shower or just before pumping to help make sure all the faucets are open and working.
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I only put it in (with KY) as far as the little metal tip. They seem pretty fool proof for me. I ended up just getting her nekkid and giving her a very very small dose of some baby fever reducer.
