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danielmount -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/18/2007 5:04:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JimC quote: ORIGINAL: QwertyJuan What does Tim Duncan hit on "John in the Jordan" when he sings the part "Just like Johhhnnnnnnnnnn" at about 2:15?? I didn't realize you guys metered bass singers like that... this is all new to me, and really cool!! [:D][:D] That's an A. We cross-posted. Did you just check? For some reason, I get asked that question so often that I just remember it from time to time.

QwertyJuan -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/18/2007 5:15:16 PM)
LOL, seriously? It is mighty low I have to admit.... possibly his lowest???

danielmount -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/18/2007 5:43:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: QwertyJuan LOL, seriously? It is mighty low I have to admit.... possibly his lowest??? It's the lowest he does on stage, but someone on Signature Sound's message board just said that Tim told them he could hit the double low C.

Billboy -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/18/2007 6:07:35 PM)
The NBA has a slam-dunk contest during their all-star break. Maybe the NQC should have a "how low can you go" sing-off to settle this question.[:D]

danielmount -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/18/2007 8:17:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Billboy The NBA has a slam-dunk contest during their all-star break. Maybe the NQC should have a "how low can you go" sing-off to settle this question.[:D] The only problem is that sometimes a bass cannot hit one night what he can hit on the next. They will only do a song that includes their lowest note(s) if they feel they can do it that night.

BRBB -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/18/2007 9:11:31 PM)
My pick would have to be Jeff Chapman. He can rattle the floors and walls in a live performance

BassSingersRock -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/18/2007 11:33:46 PM)
I personally believe all these Bass singers could "Rattle your seat" in a concert.....but when it comes down to, it a double low c is about the bottem end for ANY heavy weight bass singer. As far as the some of the LOWEST bass singers right now my "guess" would be David Hester (he has lots of jam) and Gene McDonald (The F's on his Solo Cd are SOLID!) and Mike Holcomb (DEFINATLY).Tim Riley might would probably keep up to them. By the lowest i would mean each of these guys sitting in a studio all relaxed, singing away...not in front of thousands at a concert. BassSingersRock

bigboytenor -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 7:29:12 AM)
Squire Parsons recorded a song called "One Voice" and GC sang the backup vocals for it. Tim was busting a low F on that song. The thing about Tim Riley's voice is that it is so full. A lot of guys can growl double low Cs, but Tim Riley sings Gs and Fs. I'd rather hear a guy sing than growl any day of the week. If you want to hear some amazing bass singing, check out the Russian basses that sing double low Cs rather than growl them.

danielmount -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 7:31:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bigboytenor Squire Parsons recorded a song called "One Voice" and GC sang the backup vocals for it. Tim was busting a low F on that song. The thing about Tim Riley's voice is that it is so full. A lot of guys can growl double low Cs, but Tim Riley sings Gs and Fs. I'd rather hear a guy sing than growl any day of the week. If you want to hear some amazing bass singing, check out the Russian basses that sing double low Cs rather than growl them. I think Tim Riley exercises vocal fry, just like a bass said to be growling a note, but puts a little more intonation in the notes as well.

bigboytenor -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 7:34:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: danielmount quote: ORIGINAL: bigboytenor Squire Parsons recorded a song called "One Voice" and GC sang the backup vocals for it. Tim was busting a low F on that song. The thing about Tim Riley's voice is that it is so full. A lot of guys can growl double low Cs, but Tim Riley sings Gs and Fs. I'd rather hear a guy sing than growl any day of the week. If you want to hear some amazing bass singing, check out the Russian basses that sing double low Cs rather than growl them. I think Tim Riley exercises vocal fry, just like a bass said to be growling a note, but puts a little more intonation in the notes as well. Certainly all of those notes are fry register. Nobody really "sings" that low. What I'm talking about is exactly what you said. Riley hits the pitch and there's a certain timbre to the sound that just gives it more presence than a lot of other guys have down low. There is, however, a great difference between knowing how to use vocal fry and not.

danielmount -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 7:36:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bigboytenor quote: ORIGINAL: danielmount quote: ORIGINAL: bigboytenor Squire Parsons recorded a song called "One Voice" and GC sang the backup vocals for it. Tim was busting a low F on that song. The thing about Tim Riley's voice is that it is so full. A lot of guys can growl double low Cs, but Tim Riley sings Gs and Fs. I'd rather hear a guy sing than growl any day of the week. If you want to hear some amazing bass singing, check out the Russian basses that sing double low Cs rather than growl them. I think Tim Riley exercises vocal fry, just like a bass said to be growling a note, but puts a little more intonation in the notes as well. Certainly all of those notes are fry register. Nobody really "sings" that low. What I'm talking about is exactly what you said. Riley hits the pitch and there's a certain timbre to the sound that just gives it more presence than a lot of other guys have down low. There is, however, a great difference between knowing how to use vocal fry and not. I agree. By the way, while I have an expert here, have you observed that it seems to be nearly impossible for most bass singers to carry a melody in the vocal fry range? It seems that most--i.e., Glenn Dustin, Jeff Chapman, Tim Riley--can only use that range for the subwoofer harmonizations, and cannot quite carry a melodic melody in that range.

1FEATHER -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 8:28:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: danielmount quote: ORIGINAL: Billboy The NBA has a slam-dunk contest during their all-star break. Maybe the NQC should have a "how low can you go" sing-off to settle this question.[:D] The only problem is that sometimes a bass cannot hit one night what he can hit on the next. They will only do a song that includes their lowest note(s) if they feel they can do it that night. Very true. I can sing low bass (people prefer me as baritone,smart-elecks[:D]) can hit lowest F most of the time. But once every blue moon I sound like a 'whiskey baritone[8\|]'[:'(] when trying real low notes. Congestion/cold/whatever the reason.

GAyoungbass -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 11:13:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: danielmount quote: ORIGINAL: GAyoungbass Mike Holcomb, Jeff Chapman, and David Hester are probably the lowest "active" bass singers. Some of the names brought up are not even close to being lowest...Aaron McCune (low A/Ab), Christian Davis (low G), Eric Bennett(?), and others. These other mention have at least a half octave on these bass singers. I think some of you are just listing your favorites instead of sticking to the topic. I think Aaron McCune is a good singer, but not the lowest at all - they have his EQ settings just right to make him sound low, as do other groups! I am almost positive I've heard Christian hit the lowest F or E on the piano. One of his lowest notes was on the Old Time Gospel Hour Quartet song "The Dream," recorded when he was 17 or 18. I think we are referring to different kinds of singing...sure I think Christian growled out an F in that song, but I can probably do that down to the last note on a piano and an engineer can make it sound good, as well. I don't have that CD anymore to check that, but if you go back and listen...check out the difference in tonal quality and clarity when Riley "sings" the notes, rather than Christian "growling" them. BTW - I think Christian was 20 or 21 when he recorded that project, he is the same age as me, so I can keep up with that... I have followed him since he first started. I just don't think he is really in the category of lowest yet...his voice will drop a few notes in his 30's I am sure, as will McCune and I hope mine, for that matter. For the record, other than Tim Riley, Mike Holcomb, David Hester, Gene McDonald, and Jeff Chapman, I don't think you will hear any of the others "sing" a note lower than A/Ab in concert, maybe a G on a good night. Probably Chapman, Hester, and Holcomb are the lowest "active" bass singers right now. I couldn't say which one is the lowest without going through an archive of recordings and finding the lowest note...who has time for that :)

danielmount -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 11:16:07 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GAyoungbass quote: ORIGINAL: danielmount quote: ORIGINAL: GAyoungbass Mike Holcomb, Jeff Chapman, and David Hester are probably the lowest "active" bass singers. Some of the names brought up are not even close to being lowest...Aaron McCune (low A/Ab), Christian Davis (low G), Eric Bennett(?), and others. These other mention have at least a half octave on these bass singers. I think some of you are just listing your favorites instead of sticking to the topic. I think Aaron McCune is a good singer, but not the lowest at all - they have his EQ settings just right to make him sound low, as do other groups! I am almost positive I've heard Christian hit the lowest F or E on the piano. One of his lowest notes was on the Old Time Gospel Hour Quartet song "The Dream," recorded when he was 17 or 18. I think we are referring to different kinds of singing...sure I think Christian growled out an F in that song, but I can probably do that down to the last note on a piano and an engineer can make it sound good, as well. I don't have that CD anymore to check that, but if you go back and listen...check out the difference in tonal quality and clarity when Riley "sings" the notes, rather than Christian "growling" them. BTW - I think Christian was 20 or 21 when he recorded that project, he is the same age as me, so I can keep up with that... I have followed him since he first started. I just don't think he is really in the category of lowest yet...his voice will drop a few notes in his 30's I am sure, as will McCune and I hope mine, for that matter. I think Christian has clarity and control (nearly) matching Riley's, except for when he went for that one super-low note. He was obviously going for it and pushing the limits--something that is a lot of fun to hear!--but you don't have quite as much control at the limits. They recorded the album in 1999 (released in 2000), and I believe he told me he was 18 at the time. quote: For the record, other than Tim Riley, Mike Holcomb, David Hester, Gene McDonald, and Jeff Chapman, I don't think you will hear any of the others "sing" an note lower than A/Ab in concert, maybe a G on a good night. Probably Chapman, Hester, and Holcomb are the lowest "active" bass singers right now. I couldn't say which one is the lowest without going through an archive of recordings and finding the lowest not...who has time for that :) That one's easy--Mike Holcomb has recorded a double low C (on live projects), I think, and the other two haven't recorded that yet.

GAyoungbass -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 11:36:35 AM)
quote: I think Christian has clarity and control (nearly) matching Riley's, except for when he went for that one super-low note. That one's easy--Mike Holcomb has recorded a double low C (on live projects), I think, and the other two haven't recorded that yet. We'll just have to disagree on the clarity and control...he is no where in the same league as Riley and other veteran bass singers...for that matter the times I have heard him, he was somewhat pitchy and went for notes he couldn't hit. On Mike Holcomb...that is the answer to the original topic then...thanks for clarifying that!

danielmount -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 11:40:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GAyoungbass quote: I think Christian has clarity and control (nearly) matching Riley's, except for when he went for that one super-low note. That one's easy--Mike Holcomb has recorded a double low C (on live projects), I think, and the other two haven't recorded that yet. We'll just have to disagree on the clarity and control...he is no where in the same league as Riley and other veteran bass singers...for that matter the times I have heard him, he was somewhat pitchy and went for notes he couldn't hit. On Mike Holcomb...that is the answer to the original topic then...thanks for clarifying that! Well, you may have heard him live a couple of years ago. Let me just be upfront: I have nearly every CD he recorded from when he was 18 (i.e., 1999) through today, but the first time I heard him live was probably about a year ago. By that point he could do live what he did in the studio several years before. I honestly don't know whether he could do live what he could do in the studio before that, so I guess I'll just have to take your word for it.

GAyoungbass -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 12:08:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: danielmount quote: ORIGINAL: GAyoungbass quote: I think Christian has clarity and control (nearly) matching Riley's, except for when he went for that one super-low note. That one's easy--Mike Holcomb has recorded a double low C (on live projects), I think, and the other two haven't recorded that yet. We'll just have to disagree on the clarity and control...he is no where in the same league as Riley and other veteran bass singers...for that matter the times I have heard him, he was somewhat pitchy and went for notes he couldn't hit. On Mike Holcomb...that is the answer to the original topic then...thanks for clarifying that! Well, you may have heard him live a couple of years ago. Let me just be upfront: I have nearly every CD he recorded from when he was 18 (i.e., 1999) through today, but the first time I heard him live was probably about a year ago. By that point he could do live what he did in the studio several years before. I honestly don't know whether he could do live what he could do in the studio before that, so I guess I'll just have to take your word for it. I even had an evangelist that used Mercy's Mark in some conferences tell me that the bass singer was pitchy and went for notes he couldn't hit...this was about a year ago. Like I said...we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. I am sure he can do better now on what he did as a teenager...I hope that is true for any singer...it is for me, as well. Hey, I am not saying the guy can't sing...he is a seasoned vocalist and trained well, but he has his vocal weaknesses...as we all do!

mm80 -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 12:09:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: danielmount quote: ORIGINAL: bigboytenor Squire Parsons recorded a song called "One Voice" and GC sang the backup vocals for it. Tim was busting a low F on that song. The thing about Tim Riley's voice is that it is so full. A lot of guys can growl double low Cs, but Tim Riley sings Gs and Fs. I'd rather hear a guy sing than growl any day of the week. If you want to hear some amazing bass singing, check out the Russian basses that sing double low Cs rather than growl them. I think Tim Riley exercises vocal fry, just like a bass said to be growling a note, but puts a little more intonation in the notes as well. I can tell you have NEVER heard Tim Riley in a live concert, before or after he retired. Tim without a doubt SINGS a G , still does live, any given night. It is not anything other than words actually being sung. No bass guitar or piano helping the sound, or stacks from a studio. Anyone who attended the Southmen Reunion in Boaz, AL in February can verify the above mentioned statement I made. So please when you state something, make sure you no it to be fact, not what you think you hear or have heard.

Dinana -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 12:13:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GAyoungbass quote: ORIGINAL: danielmount quote: ORIGINAL: GAyoungbass quote: I think Christian has clarity and control (nearly) matching Riley's, except for when he went for that one super-low note. That one's easy--Mike Holcomb has recorded a double low C (on live projects), I think, and the other two haven't recorded that yet. We'll just have to disagree on the clarity and control...he is no where in the same league as Riley and other veteran bass singers...for that matter the times I have heard him, he was somewhat pitchy and went for notes he couldn't hit. On Mike Holcomb...that is the answer to the original topic then...thanks for clarifying that! Well, you may have heard him live a couple of years ago. Let me just be upfront: I have nearly every CD he recorded from when he was 18 (i.e., 1999) through today, but the first time I heard him live was probably about a year ago. By that point he could do live what he did in the studio several years before. I honestly don't know whether he could do live what he could do in the studio before that, so I guess I'll just have to take your word for it. I even had an evangelist that used Mercy's Mark in some conferences tell me that the bass singer was pitchy and went for notes he couldn't hit...this was about a year ago. Like I said...we will have to agree to disagree on this subject. I am sure he can do better now on what he did as a teenager...I hope that is true for any singer...it is for me, as well. Hey, I am not saying the guy can't sing...he is a seasoned vocalist and trained well, but he has his vocal weaknesses...as we all do! I haven't heard these weaknesses you're talking about - and I hear Christian a lot - so I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

GAyoungbass -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 12:13:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mm80 quote: ORIGINAL: danielmount quote: ORIGINAL: bigboytenor Squire Parsons recorded a song called "One Voice" and GC sang the backup vocals for it. Tim was busting a low F on that song. The thing about Tim Riley's voice is that it is so full. A lot of guys can growl double low Cs, but Tim Riley sings Gs and Fs. I'd rather hear a guy sing than growl any day of the week. If you want to hear some amazing bass singing, check out the Russian basses that sing double low Cs rather than growl them. I think Tim Riley exercises vocal fry, just like a bass said to be growling a note, but puts a little more intonation in the notes as well. I can tell you have NEVER heard Tim Riley in a live concert, before or after he retired. Tim without a doubt SINGS a G , still does live, any given night. It is not anything other than words actually being sung. No bass guitar or piano helping the sound, or stacks from a studio. Anyone who attended the Southmen Reunion in Boaz, AL in February can verify the above mentioned statement I made. So please when you state something, make sure you no it to be fact, not what you think you hear or have heard. I agree that Riley "sings" the notes for sure in a rich tone and with clarity I have never heard matched.......no growling, or frying.....or saute'ing, or grilling [:D]

danielmount -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 12:13:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mm80 quote: ORIGINAL: danielmount quote: ORIGINAL: bigboytenor Squire Parsons recorded a song called "One Voice" and GC sang the backup vocals for it. Tim was busting a low F on that song. The thing about Tim Riley's voice is that it is so full. A lot of guys can growl double low Cs, but Tim Riley sings Gs and Fs. I'd rather hear a guy sing than growl any day of the week. If you want to hear some amazing bass singing, check out the Russian basses that sing double low Cs rather than growl them. I think Tim Riley exercises vocal fry, just like a bass said to be growling a note, but puts a little more intonation in the notes as well. I can tell you have NEVER heard Tim Riley in a live concert, before or after he retired. Tim without a doubt SINGS a G , still does live, any given night. It is not anything other than words actually being sung. No bass guitar or piano helping the sound, or stacks from a studio. Anyone who attended the Southmen Reunion in Boaz, AL in February can verify the above mentioned statement I made. So please when you state something, make sure you no it to be fact, not what you think you hear or have heard. He sings it. He sings it using a technique known by the technical term of "vocal fry." Since I was in a conversation at that point with someone who knows and teaches music theory, I used the technical term for the technique he uses.

BBfan -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 12:17:44 PM)
I don't know if this one counts...Richard Sterbin of the Oak Ridge Boys. He was singing with them for a while before they started singing secular music. He can make your seat rumble.[:D]

GAyoungbass -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 12:22:56 PM)
quote: He sings it. He sings it using a technique known by the technical term of "vocal fry." Since I was in a conversation at that point with someone who knows and teaches music theory, I used the technical term for the technique he uses. A vocal fry per Encyclopedia Britannica is the following: "also called Murmur, or Breathy Voice, in phonetics, a speech sound or quality used in some languages, produced by vibrating vocal cords that are less tense than in normal speech, which produces local turbulence in the airstream resulting in a compromise between full voice and whisper. English speakers produce a vocal fry when suggesting ghost wails with an oo-sound." I can't say that I can agree that Tim Riley uses a vocal fry...which appears to be something you hear frequently in rock music and other genres. Tim Riley never uses a "breathy" voice when singing...that may be impossible in order to hit the notes in that frequency. This seems to indicate more of an easy going vocal in a different style that what you are referring to...your expert is trying to discredit Riley by saying he "growls" by using some term that appears to be less degrading. If he does use a vocal fry, no other bass singer does...I have never heard another that can do it like him...those other are simply using a "growl tone."

danielmount -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 12:32:10 PM)
It's not so much breathy as it is a different way of vibrating vocal chords, which is the technique he uses (and most bass singers) use to sing low notes. It's the same sort of technical thing as when a tenor employs head voice; he uses a different vocal technique for a different register, and by the time he is a professional he has spent so much time switching between registers that the transition is inaudible to any except a highly trained ear.

DaveW -> RE: Lowest down current bass singer (10/19/2007 12:57:31 PM)
We used to call that bass falsetto. If you can hit it right, you almost have no bottom limit to your range. Even I went off the bottom of the keyboard a couple of times way back when..... Pitch control and tonality come from a <LOT> of practice.

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