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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 10/16/2007 1:17:25 AM
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amannoftruth
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Again your statements imply that your narrow definition of worldly is the only valid one.
Did I say that somewhere? I don't remember saying that my definition is the only valid one.
I think it would be naive to suggest that you did not imply it.
I've no problems with tattoos. I have many family members who are wonderful Christians and have some very fun tattoos. I'd never get one, but that's because I'm terrified of needles.
I had an ABG blood draw done last week. Talk about fear of needles!
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 10/16/2007 1:19:09 AM
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Again your statements imply that your narrow definition of worldly is the only valid one.
Did I say that somewhere? I don't remember saying that my definition is the only valid one.
I think it would be naive to suggest that you did not imply it.
I've no problems with tattoos. I have many family members who are wonderful Christians and have some very fun tattoos. I'd never get one, but that's because I'm terrified of needles.
I had an ABG blood draw done last week. Talk about fear of needles!
The last time I donated blood I got very sick afterwards...haven't donated since, although it is a very worthy cause that I would like to do again...
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 10/16/2007 1:23:04 AM
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amannoftruth
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Again your statements imply that your narrow definition of worldly is the only valid one.
Did I say that somewhere? I don't remember saying that my definition is the only valid one.
I think it would be naive to suggest that you did not imply it.
I've no problems with tattoos. I have many family members who are wonderful Christians and have some very fun tattoos. I'd never get one, but that's because I'm terrified of needles.
I had an ABG blood draw done last week. Talk about fear of needles!
The last time I donated blood I got very sick afterwards...haven't donated since, although it is a very worthy cause that I would like to do again...
This is worse than giving blood. They don't take the blood from the vein, which is near the surface; they stick the needle deep into your wrist to get into an artery.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 10/16/2007 4:53:58 PM
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I lost my husband in '96, I have a tattoo for him on my lower back. It has his birthstone in it. My cousin died last year with cancer, I'm getting another one on my shoulder/back for her. A butterfly carrying the correct color cancer ribbon for her.
I don't think they are wrong. I am an accountant, and my tats can't be seen with my clothes on. I choose the back because it is a discrete area. My boss knows I have them, we had this same discussion in the breakroom one day.
Piercings, I have my ear lobes pierced 2x, but the nose, lip, eye, tounge.... gross..... not for me.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 10/16/2007 7:31:10 PM
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amannoftruth
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A butterfly carrying the correct color cancer ribbon for her.
Sorry to hear about your loss.
I know a pink ribbon is for breast cancer, but there are other colors for the different cancers?
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 10/16/2007 10:03:51 PM
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I know a pink ribbon is for breast cancer, but there are other colors for the different cancers?
Yes, there are different colors for different types of cancer. You can go to www.choosehope.com and they have all sorts of cancer awareness information along with which color ribbon corresponds with which type of cancer.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 10/22/2007 2:16:19 PM
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WOW...... All of this is interesting. Personally, I think it has to do with what tattoo you have. That will more than likely explain the motivation for getting them. I have 5 tattoo's and all of them are of Christian symbols. They are on my upper arms (both sides) and one on my back. If someone happens to see me with my shirt off (not a pretty site, trust me) they will have no doubt that I have Christ on my body....in my heart.... and on my mind. As far as being a sin.... no.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 11/24/2007 8:33:58 AM
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I have 7 tattoos and have never given any thought to wheter or not they may be a sin. That does not mean I like them. I attempted to have one removed and it didn't work, so I stopped.
I had my tats done long before I became a Christian, and if I thought that my tats prevented me from being a memeber of my church, then I would have found another church. It is not what I did in the past, it is what I am doing today that counts.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 11/26/2007 1:21:12 PM
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Getting a tattoo may not be sin, but I personally believe that the usual reason for getting tattoos, body piercings, dyeing one's hair an extreme color, shaving one's head, beard, or mustache in an offbeat fashion, is an attempt to surpass God's human design. I think fantasy/sci-fi movies, superhero comic books, etc. contribute to this.
When you take a look at many fantasy/sci-fi movies, superhero movies/comic books, etc. they will often consist of humanoid individuals who bear some sort of marking that is literally impossible for a real human being to bear. For instance, if a fantasy movie character had actual blue hair, in the story-line this would be natural. Something this human-like figure was born with. Or, if a character has some sort of strange colorful skin design, the same would be true. Basically, these characters stand-out. They may be extra-terrestrial, mutant, or other-worldly, but basically they represent a form of humanity in given fantasy role. They may however, wear some sort of body-piercing to enhance the extremity of their appearance.
So I think the sub-conscious motivation behind adding to one's appearance is to stand out. It's a way of going beyond the variety God has already placed in the form of individual appearance, ethnicity, and race. I was going to say gender but I thought about where that could lead.
I think there's a strong desire to look unique and exotic. For a non White individual to have blond hair would most certainly be seen as unique and exotic. Since this can't happen in that it's not in God's design, the next best thing is to dye it blond. If a White individual were to have blue hair, they would certainly be seen as unique and exotic. Since this is not in God's design, the same applies.
As far as tattoos, if someone were born with illustrations on their body, they would be seen as a symbolic figure. Since this never happens, the next best thing is a tattoo.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 11/26/2007 2:22:13 PM
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God's design is hair I can turn blue (or not) and skin I can decorate (or not).
In my reality, blue hair is normal to the point of being passe. Nothing unique or exotic about it. I dyed my hair blue, because I've always wanted blue hair. Neither of my tattoos has a whit to do with "standing out."
I agree some people do things to get attention, or "rebel," but that most certainly isn't the case for everyone.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 11/26/2007 2:28:07 PM
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Whose def. of normal do you suggest?
By your statements we should never cut hair or trim beards because to do so would disturb gods intended design.
Not at all! I don't think there's a Black and White definition for what's normal either.
As far as cutting hair, let's say someone gets a goatee. Although it's true that the hair will probably not naturally grow that way, it's within fashion. It's not done as a means to supersede the norm; to stand out. However, I remember seeing someone cut half of their beard, and half of their mustache, to where one side had hair and the other didn't. This is no doubt, not the norm. They did it to stand out.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 11/26/2007 2:32:06 PM
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As far as tattoos, if someone were born with illustrations on their body, they would be seen as a symbolic figure. Since this never happens, the next best thing is a tattoo.
If Jesus has King of King's tattoed on his thigh then I think a simple tat on someone is no problem.
Well I did state that I didn't think it was sin. If someone gets a tattoo to glorify God; great! I gave my reason as to why I personally believe most people do things along the lines of tattoos, skin piercings, etc. Tattoos may be a bit different since symbolism may have a lot to do with the reason. But I still think that for many it's a way to stand out!
If someone has developed big biceps, the next step is to get barb-wire tattoos.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 11/28/2007 1:30:12 AM
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Sammy_S
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Nice to know that we own our bodies so we can do whatever we want to it..
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 12/2/2007 11:53:44 AM
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Let's face it, the OT law was given to the Jews. "You have fallen from grace, you who seek to justify yourselves (live by) the Law." (Galations 5:4)
Christians don't live by the OT Law, nor any other legal restrictions. God broke that chain on the cross, so we're free in grace to run around the yard. Just don't dig up the flowerbed.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 12/5/2007 7:29:45 PM
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Before I was born again I had two tatts. I had planned to get more but the desire left automatically. I believe it's a sin. Jesus said he came to fulfill the law...not to end it. I'm free from the law and all christians are because it's no longer hard to live by it...the spirit guides u to live by it. The spirit cannot lead u to break it and feel okay about it.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 12/8/2007 11:54:47 PM
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Yes, the Law is fulfilled, which means completed. If you fulfill a promise, that promise wasn't abolished, but it's no longer waiting for someone to do right by it.
As for tattoos, had two before I knew Christ, and three afterwards. The three afterwards were Christian symbols. I know the scripture says that he who bears the mark of the Christ is blessed. Regardless, temples have decorations oftentimes, now the temple that is my body has them!
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 12/12/2007 7:46:52 AM
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I, like many others, had tattoos before I knew Christ. I have a large tattoo, similar to a yin-yang with a sun and moon, on my lower leg - it can be seen here: Jenn's Tattoo
Now, I got this tattoo because at the time, I was a severe Bipolar I, with a cutting disorder. I had lost my marriage, my children, and could not hold a job due to my illness and self-destructive behavior. I got this rather large tattoo in a place where I could not escape it, and had to look at it every day to "remind" me of how important it was to have "balance" in my life. My entire existance was about trying to come to terms with the mania and the depression that ruled my life and this tattoo expressed my deepest dreams of having all of my extremes brought together so that I could be a "whole" person; not this fragmented, broken person I had become. I got this permanant ink on my body as nothing other than a reminder that I could never give up on having a "normal" life. I believe that it helped me keep going when I felt like giving up, giving hope (as much hope as something of this world can give without Jesus) when I was hopeless.
Fast forward a bit, and to make a long story short, God healed me of my Bipolar I disease, healed me of my cutting disorder, resurrected my marriage from the ashes (it was dead and gone, believe me), restored my children emotionally, and put our feet on solid new ground. I am a former pastor's daughter, so I expected some fallout about the tattoo from the church, and I was not disappointed. I don't wear dresses or skirts to church so as not to offend anyone, especially since I can't be sure of who knows the story behind this ink or not, or worse, who might be offended regardless. I sometimes wish I had not gotten the tattoo, simply because I have seen it cause people at the church to raise eyebrows or wonder about my state of christianity (I say this somewhat sarcastically, since I have never gotten any flack about it whatsoever from anyone outside the church). But, honestly, I never thought I'd be alive this long, much less saved, healed, and going to church with my family.
I look at this tattoo now, and it serves as a constant reminder to me, and anyone else who happens to ask about it, that God is able to reach farther down than I could ever reach up. I am reminded every time I look at it of that old hymn we used to sing in my dad's church as a child:
Oh, He touched me
Yes, He touched me
And Oh, the joy
that floods my soul!
Something wonderful happened,
and now I know
He touched me
And He made me whole!
Having said all of that, I can't say whether or not having this tattoo (or the others I got prior to knowing the Lord) are a sin or not. I just know that I am glad there is grace in knowing Him, and I encourage us as Christians not to place a yoke around the necks of our brothers and sisters, as we do not always know the reasons behind some of the things we see or hear. I am reminded of what Joseph said to his brothers in Egypt and I can apply it's message to today's topic: What the world meant for evil, God meant for good.
Thanks for listening.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 12/12/2007 11:58:35 PM
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Check out what this guy says on it
http://www.myspace.com/tattoopreacher
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 12/13/2007 5:04:12 PM
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...God is able to reach farther down than I could ever reach up.
Beautiful story of God's love and grace, Jenn. Thanks for sharing.
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RE: Tattoos a Sin???? - 12/17/2007 8:10:30 AM
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jennleigh
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I thank God for his grace and his mercy and I think wherever we find examples of it in action, we are obligated to share it. It touches me to share it with others, and it never fails to renew my awe in Him because looking back over the road I've traveled over the past two years, it truly is an act of Amazing Grace that saved a 'wretch' like me! Thank you for the acknowledgement; it means a lot.
Jenn
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