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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/15/2007 2:01:08 PM
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True repentance would be confessing their past sins and then turning completely away from all false doctrine and returning to teaching the Truth...the Bible.
....Not to mention returning the money they've extorted from naive believers.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/15/2007 5:33:41 PM
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True, spirit world is not a Biblical term. Neither is "trinity", "rapture", or "Xylophone", but all three get used in the "christian" vocabulary. When I say spirit world, understand that I am referring to the place of Angels, Demons, Heaven, and Hell. Use your own terminology if you must.
Or could we just say world of the imagination?
Jeremiah 13:10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
Ezekiel 13:2 Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel that prophesy, and say thou unto them that prophesy out of their own hearts, Hear ye the word of the LORD;
Ezekiel 13:3 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Woe unto the foolish prophets, that follow their own spirit, and have seen nothing!
Lamentations 2:14 Thy prophets have seen vain and foolish things for thee: and they have not discovered thine iniquity, to turn away thy captivity; but have seen for thee false burdens and causes of banishment.
Luke 1:51 He hath showed strength with his arm; he hath scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
Numerous verses warn against the deception of the imagination. How can we obey...
1Peter 1:13 Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
...with an experience of being knocked unconcious or in seeking an experience that, once again, the pastor doesn't understand and the participants do not understand. What is achieved by this that verifies Scripture or magnifies Christ? If you are going to defend the practice, wherein do you differentiate between the real and the false? Is at least clucking like a chicken off your list?
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And once again, instead of pointing at a figurehead (Marjoe Gortner or whoever), please give me an argument.
uhh...saying this twice in the same post is not really a "once again". I thought the suggestion was valuable and I still do. That is not "pointing" or "running away". So you didn't watch it?
Try the latest Joni Ames newsletter. A compliment to her for describing the practice of phonies putting fake gold flakes on themselves in a gel that would crack and flake during the service and those dropping gem chips on the floor, watching to see who'll be the next sucker (her words).
So it would seem the hook-line-and-sinker approach to manifestions should be abandoned.
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Wow... I will pray for you while I sit in the evil IHOP-KC prayer room. I'm sorry you let other people ruin your day like that.
??? Who is ruining my day?
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/15/2007 5:56:27 PM
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I am always stunned by the depth of the lack of knowledge of what it means to be a Pentecostal. So many experts, so little truth and understanding. Standing on the side lines is so easy to miss the point and it seems many have.
There are some Baptists that do stuff I hear about which I think is pretty strange, Methodists, Presbyterians, especially the PCA's, Catholics, Mormons, on and on. We hear stories, see clips on television, if it's on TV it must be true of course. If it is true, how will you see it?
There are many manifestations of the Holy Spirit which is beyond mans understanding and just because we don't understand it, it just can't be true.
walkin2e, you wrote... :"However, when I opened the door to the "sanctuary," electricity hit me, the hairs on my arms and the back of my neck stood on end and rippled, and the hair on my head rippled." "Sounds like you encountered a spirit." Amen & Amen
Too many are so frightened of the Holy Spirits manifestations they will deny His gifts just so they don't have to confront their individual fears.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/15/2007 6:26:54 PM
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There are many manifestations of the Holy Spirit which is beyond mans understanding and just because we don't understand it, it just can't be true.
Too many are so frightened of the Holy Spirits manifestations they will deny His gifts just so they don't have to confront their individual fears.
Scripture for your conclusions?
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/15/2007 6:49:51 PM
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True, spirit world is not a Biblical term. Neither is "trinity", "rapture", or "Xylophone", but all three get used in the "christian" vocabulary. When I say spirit world, understand that I am referring to the place of Angels, Demons, Heaven, and Hell. Use your own terminology if you must.
Or could we just say world of the imagination?
Wintery,
Does your comment mean that you believe that angels, demons, heaven and hell are part of the world of the imagination?
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/15/2007 7:37:34 PM
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Scripture for your conclusions?
I don't need any scripture for what I've seen and written about, I have been there and seen the abject fear on the faces of folks who are confronted for the first time with the Gifts of the Spirit.
Remember just because I believe something and you don't, doesn't make it not true.
Too many legalists, so little experiences.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/15/2007 9:44:36 PM
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Scripture for your conclusions?
I don't need any scripture for what I've seen and written about, I have been there and seen the abject fear on the faces of folks who are confronted for the first time with the Gifts of the Spirit.
Remember just because I believe something and you don't, doesn't make it not true.
Too many legalists, so little experiences.
Friend - this is treading some VERY dangerous ground. Scripture, the Bible, is to be the litmus test for what is of God and what is not. Saying "I don't need any Scripture..." is exactly why stuff like this takes root in some church circles.
God save us from not ever needing His Word to test all things in light of Scripture, to see if something is of the Lord or not.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/15/2007 11:31:58 PM
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who are confronted for the first time with the Gifts of the Spirit.
The gifts of the sprit are for the orderly operation of the church. The fruit of the spirit is for becoming more like Jesus. Also, one isn't "confronted" with a gift of the spirit.
Acts 17:10 - 11 (ESV) 10The brothersŁ immediately sent Paul and Silas away by night to Berea, and when they arrived they went into the Jewish synagogue. 11Now these Jews were more noble than those in Thessalonica; they received the word with all eagerness, examining the Scriptures daily to see if these things were so.
1 John 4:1 - 6 (ESV) 1Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already. 4Little children, you are from God and have overcome them, for he who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. 5They are from the world; therefore they speak from the world, and the world listens to them. 6We are from God. Whoever knows God listens to us; whoever is not from God does not listen to us. By this we know the Spirit of truth and the spirit of error.
Matthew 7:21 - 23 (ESV) 21“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’
The only valid litmus test is God's word. We cannot, and must not, trust human emotion and experience,
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/15/2007 11:35:12 PM
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Scripture for your conclusions?
I don't need any scripture for what I've seen and written about, I have been there and seen the abject fear on the faces of folks who are confronted for the first time with the Gifts of the Spirit.
Remember just because I believe something and you don't, doesn't make it not true.
Too many legalists, so little experiences.
I second Earthless.
Scripture should be the mesh we poor our experiences through. Anything that gets stuck is not of God, and thus should be gotten rid of. What ever remains is pure and Holy.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 1:48:05 AM
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DahBassSinger
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Fine, then you do it. Oh, I forgot... never mind.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 7:52:22 AM
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Fine, then you do it. Oh, I forgot... never mind.
Huh?
Colliefan and others have given you some very sound biblical advice. As a Christian that is what we're to seek after. I hope by you saying "fine" you have changed your mind on not needing Scripture to test ALL things.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 8:03:01 AM
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When these false teachers and false prophets repent and stop doing what they are doing, then we can talk about forgiveness and releasing. While they continue to prey on innocent and ignorant Christians, concerned believers like me will continue to raise a voice for sound doctrine. To do anything less is unbiblical and sinful. There is no need to protect those who we see in Scripture we're not protected but were scrutinized by Jesus and the apostles/disciples. Last I checked, Jesus didn't make repentance a requirement in the Sermon on the Mount. What did Jesus say there? He said turn the other cheek if someone slaps you. At this point, your anger is hurting you more than the supposed "punishment" you are "inflicting" on these preachers you disagree with. As for myself, I'm nowhere near being comfortable putting my name in the same thought (spiritually speaking) as Jesus and the 12 apostles. Call it heretical if you like, by my humility tells me that I am nowhere near CLOSE to approaching Jesus level of spirituality. As for "protecting" these guys, I am far from it. I am just as critical of Rod Parsley and several others. However, we digress. My point here WAS defending something that happens in church that was being declared as sin with no biblical proof of it. If you would desire to begin trashing preachers, have fun but I'm not going there.quote:
And "repent and stop" doesn't mean asking for forgiveness for their prior false teaching (as some false prophets have done) and then scurrying into another model that is just as deadly, i.e., contemplative spirituality. True repentance would be confessing their past sins and then turning completely away from all false doctrine and returning to teaching the Truth...the Bible. I have two thoughts about this, and that is all I will say about it (this time). First off, being contemplative in your prayers is not evil... hearing the voice of God is not evil either. Second, there is an inherent danger in your above statement, because we aren't really talking about a return to the Bible. Unless these guy's doctrines line up exactly with yours after they have "repented", you have an out to still harp on them for something. And as I said earlier, we aren't trying to prove the Bible... we are all trying to prove our opinion of the Bible. If someone disagrees with my doctrine, fine... I'll take my lumps when I have to. When you are talking about being "slain in the spirit" (The topic of this thread, if you will remember) you aren't actually talking about anything that really means anything in the enternal perspective. If someone is "playing church" by falling down in a prayer line and really loves Jesus, it WILL NOT MATTER in eternity.quote:
Or could we just say world of the imagination? Actually, wintery, you have to square yourself with the idea that I said exactly what I meant. As for following your imagination, Angels, Demons, Heaven, and Hell are all very litteral places, and well outlined in the scriptures. We cannot see them, touch them, or capture them of our volition. That being said, they are spiritual in nature (while still very real), and I was using the term "spirit world" to refer to these very real places and beings in a term that would be easy to understand. In the words of Taylor Mason, "deal with it, man."quote:
with an experience of being knocked unconcious or in seeking an experience that, once again, the pastor doesn't understand and the participants do not understand. Once again, I remind you that I am not arguing that the intentional seeking of this is not wrong. I think intentionally seeking it IS wrong. Having it happen is a different matter.quote:
What is achieved by this that verifies Scripture or magnifies Christ? If you are going to defend the practice, wherein do you differentiate between the real and the false? Is at least clucking like a chicken off your list? Personally, I think it is dangerous territory to say that something "strange" happening like someone falling over cannot glorify Christ. As I stated earlier, I was slain in the spirit because I had a vision of Christ... if that isn't glorifying Christ, then almost nothing beside a cold, rationalistic affirmation that the Bible is true would be. As someone who is outside the person who is prayed for and "falling over", I think you are in no position to judge what is actually happening in that person's head. It would be like the Head Referree in Footabll being the one guy to call an 80 yard pass a touchdown(to clarify, the Head Ref is the guy who stands in the Offensive backfield in football). As for the whole "clucking like a chicken" that you mentioned, I have yet to see anyone who has been accused of it actually cluck like a chicken. As comical as I would find it, Romans 8 declares that the spirit makes intercession on our behalf with groanings too deep to uttered. Which means the spirit can be resting on a person so much that they cannot find words to say what they feel... simple enough.quote:
So you didn't watch it? No I didn't. As I said, rather than pointing at any of several foolish people, please give me an argument. Someone counterfeiting a $100 bill doesn't mean that $100 bills don't exist. As for the video itself, I don't need to see a video of someone talking about the "abuses" of the Charismatic movement to know what you want me to see. And for what its worth, your argument isn't anything new.quote:
Try the latest Joni Ames newsletter. A compliment to her for describing the practice of phonies putting fake gold flakes on themselves in a gel that would crack and flake during the service and those dropping gem chips on the floor, watching to see who'll be the next sucker (her words).
So it would seem the hook-line-and-sinker approach to manifestions should be abandoned. As I have said time and time again (maybe this time someone will listen), I agree that people that fake the spirit or specifically go after the manifestations should get canned. However, being in meetings with people like Mahesh Chavda, having been in his ministry team for several of them, I know that there is a genuine to the fake... where do you think the fakers got their idea?quote:
Friend - this is treading some VERY dangerous ground. Scripture, the Bible, is to be the litmus test for what is of God and what is not. Saying "I don't need any Scripture..." is exactly why stuff like this takes root in some church circles. Before throwing this argument in the trash for poor timing, let me make an observation. Take a look at why he said he "didn't need scripture". He was saying that what he has seen led to his conclusion about being being scared... if you need your Bible to tell you that people are scared of something, I hope you took it with you to go see Jaws or Psycho... It is very true, the Bible is the final authority on matters of doctrine, however, in the case we are talking about here, your argument is highly irrelevant.quote:
The gifts of the sprit are for the orderly operation of the church. The fruit of the spirit is for becoming more like Jesus. Also, one isn't "confronted" with a gift of the spirit. I would make a guess that the quote you are responding to is probably a poor choice of words. The idea that your poster was trying to make is that the "manifestations" of the spirit can be quite akward for people who have never seen them before. We all know that the Gifts of the Spirit proper are all lined out in Galatians 6. (love, joy, all that lot) Oh, and being "confronted" with something is Charismata for encountering something for the first time.quote:
I second Earthless.
Scripture should be the mesh we poor our experiences through. Anything that gets stuck is not of God, and thus should be gotten rid of. What ever remains is pure and Holy. Stephanos, while I agree with the premise of Scripture being the one final authority, I must also admit that the argument is seriously flawed for reasons I stated earlier. If we were JUST using scripture to strain our experiences, then fine... however, these experiences get filtered through the Bible and all these other filters (baggage, if you will) that attaches itself to our doctrine through things like earthless' seeing people hurt by the WoF movement. Myself, I saw plenty of people injured through bad doctrine in WoF, Toronto, Brownsville, the Jesuit revival, and just about every other move of God in Church history... Why? Because people are imperfect, so our ideas about God, the Bible, and life are inherently imperfect as well. The difference between myself and earthless is that I look at the WoF movement, say "well that was weird..." and get on with my life. If you get stuck on a single topic because one too many people went overboard, then the issue really lies with you... Sorry to be honest, but anything less would be untrue.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 8:12:26 AM
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earthless
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Last I checked, Jesus didn't make repentance a requirement in the Sermon on the Mount. What did Jesus say there? He said turn the other cheek if someone slaps you. At this point, your anger is hurting you more than the supposed "punishment" you are "inflicting" on these preachers you disagree with.
Look at my avatar - I am not angry. :)
All I am doing is what the Bible (God) commands for you and me to do. Why that is a problem for you is unclear to me. Shouldn't we therefore, regard as divisive those people who speak out against teachings in the church which are clearly unbiblical?
I can tell you firsthand that it is no joy to be labeled a "heresy-hunter." Yet, as the Apostle Paul instructed Timothy, we are to zealously guard the purity of the message God has entrusted to us, and for good reason (1 Timothy 1:18-19; 6:20; 2 Timothy 4:2-5).
We read in such passages as Acts chapter 20, and 2 Peter chapter 2, that false teachers will arise, bringing with them destructive heresies, distorting the truth and destroying the faith of some. Moreover, Adam, it is clear that these teachers will come not only from outside the church, but also from within the body of Christ as well.
It is therefore imperative that we test all things by Scripture (1 Thessolanians 5:21).
It was in this spirit that the Bereans examined the words of the Apostle Paul, for which they were reckoned as noble in character (Acts 17:11). Indeed, not only can the Bible be used for preaching, teaching and encouragement, but it is equally valuable for correcting and rebuking (2 Timothy 4:2).
As a matter of fact, we as Christians are held accountable for proclaiming the whole will of God, warning others of false teachings. (Acts 20:26-28; Ezekiel 33:7-0; 34:1-10)
This is not merely a suggestion, it is, in fact, a divine mandate. Of course if heresies are coming from teachers within the church, we ought to try and approach them first with our concerns.
Should that fail to resolve the problem, we are told in Matthew 18 to expose their errors to the church; and if need be, divulge their names. (1 Timothy 1:20; 2 Timothy 2:17-18; 4:14-15; 3 John 9-10).
We would, therefore, do well to heed Scripture's explicit warning to be on guard for false teachings (Romans 16:17-18; 1 Timothy 1:3-4; 4:16; 2 Timothy 1:13-14; Titus 1:9; 2:1), and to point them out to brothers and sisters in Christ (2 Timothy 4:6).
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 9:30:16 AM
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True, spirit world is not a Biblical term. Neither is "trinity", "rapture", or "Xylophone", but all three get used in the "christian" vocabulary. When I say spirit world, understand that I am referring to the place of Angels, Demons, Heaven, and Hell. Use your own terminology if you must.
Or could we just say world of the imagination?
Wintery,
Does your comment mean that you believe that angels, demons, heaven and hell are part of the world of the imagination?
No, certainly not. I will explain. In the context of the discussion, Adam had taken what was being discussed as manifestations of or moves of God continually into references of the "spirit world". My thought was that he had departed from the original implications and given his overall "spirit world" definition. I am not unfamiliar with charismatic or third wave thinking, so I pursued the definition of spirit world into its exaggerated usage. When we look at angels, demons and these things the truth is that they are _not_ fully explained to us and I accept that we know what we are given in the Bible. I do not accept the likes of Rick Joyner and others who lay out extravagant visions and talk about visits to heaven or others who carry on nebulous ideas of mass prayer rallies having mysterious unseen effects. Maybe it was you who said that much of prayer is unseen. There is a difference between praying wholeheartedly and in real agreement and relationship with God, and in attending meetings where some have set themselves up as leaders in a "spiritual warfare" that has no relevance yet tells followers they are having some cumulative effect--when the premise itself is flawed and highly reliant on visions that may be false.
If you walk out on the street and share Jesus, that's spiritual warfare. If I'm back inside praying for you, that's spiritual warfare. If someone tells you that God told them to tell you to fast fifty days, hand me some bread and pass the mustard, that's baloney--in my opinion and from my best understanding at the present time.
I try to give abbreviated versions of these things because for one, I'm pretty sure Adam gets it w/o all the info, but I haven't read his response yet, and for two because I have not wanted to veer too far off topic, but sometimes explanations are needed.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 3:49:47 PM
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wintery
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I was using the term "spirit world" to refer to these very real places and beings in a term that would be easy to understand.
My answer indicates my belief that you were referring to a place of imaginary happenings that certain leaders are known for telling about. It seems the phrase is used as a catch-all blanket over the inquiring mind. There are heavenly realms, yes, but today's overly imaginative prophets aren't really riding chariots through portals while demons tremble. Turning the sacred into the frivolous is not wise.
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In the words of Taylor Mason, "deal with it, man."
I don't know who that is.
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(wintery) Is at least clucking like a chicken off your list?
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As for the whole "clucking like a chicken" that you mentioned, I have yet to see anyone who has been accused of it actually cluck like a chicken.
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-scotland-chicken-sounds.ram
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As comical as I would find it, Romans 8 declares that the spirit makes intercession on our behalf with groanings too deep to uttered. Which means the spirit can be resting on a person so much that they cannot find words to say what they feel... simple enough.
1Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
1Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 5:37:32 PM
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Adam,
I just have to say your posts are impressively articulate. You really have a gift with words.
That's all I have to say (right now, at least) because I'm just not inclined to join the fray. This particular horse has breathed its last, and as far as I can tell, everyone still maintains the opinion they had at the very beginning of the thread.
Kim
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 5:37:35 PM
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When I have seen a nice church lady reach down and grasp her skirt so she will maintain a decent appearance as she leans back to the catchers, I would say her state of mind was such that being "slain" was optional.
Same thing about looking back to make sure the catchers are ready.
At one meeting that involved the former pastor of the famous Brownsville church while it was in its heyday, the wife of one of the ministers I knew snagged me to catch an elderly lady he was praying for. I'm glad she didn't fall.
I think a lot of people don't have the strength of neck to keep standing if their forehead is pushed back and down. I went to a prayer line once (different meeting and church) to be slain, and try though he would by pressing my head I did not fall. Before me they were all dropping right away. After me at least one other guy didn't go down. (you may have guessed, I'm somewhat thick-necked!) :) If you think you are supposed to go the carpet, you will.
Oh my this is too funny. I totally agree with you and I will add something to that....if God wants you on the floor, he doesn't need help of a human. I hate it when pastors "feel" that they have to help the Holy SPirit out by pressing on your head. When that happens to me, my focus shifts from praising God to just trying to keep my balance. They need not touch my head only to annoint it but still they insist. This is a disease that is effecting the churches. If God wants you down, your DOWN. God does NOT need help. People that are praying over whoever they pray for need to back off from trying to be the HS.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 6:45:59 PM
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"Colliefan and others have given you some very sound biblical advice. As a Christian that is what we're to seek after. I hope by you saying "fine" you have changed your mind on not needing Scripture to test ALL things."
I hate it when I'm sharing a personal experience and someone tells me to prove it. It's my personal experiences and I don't feel that I need or even want to prove anything to anybody. I don't have scripture to back up everything I have seen and experienced in my life, isn’t in large measure what faith is all about? What I have seen and experienced as a Pentecostal believer is in many ways “off the charts”, however it doesn’t mean it not biblical and that I’m not walking a righteous path, and isn’t that between my Lord and I?
I stated… “I have been there and seen the abject fear on the faces of folks who are confronted for the first time with the Gifts of the Spirit.” Colliefan wrote… “Also, one isn't "confronted" with a gift of the spirit. All I can say, is you weren’t there, you didn’t see the reaction I saw in my wife. Yes, she was “confronted” and she was shaken and amazed by the experience. Thank you for sharing what you think didn’t happen, isn’t that pretty presumptuous?
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 8:16:41 PM
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earthless
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DahBass,
I wasn't telling you "prove it" for anything. I was simply taken aback by your comment of "I don't need Scripture to back it up.." that is definitely placing yourself on very dangerous ground.
And I was also saying that, as believers, we are to test all things in light of Scripture. The Bible is to be our standard, the litmus test, for what is of God and what is not and may even be of someone/something else.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 8/16/2007 11:16:33 PM
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