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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 10:05:45 AM
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This should serve as a strong warning, but I doubt it will be heard:
Isa 29:9 Be delayed and wait. Blind yourselves and be blind. They become drunk, but not with wine; They stagger, but not with strong drink. 10 For the Lord has poured over you a spirit of deep sleep, He has shut your eyes, the prophets; And He has covered your heads, the seers. 11 And the entire vision shall be to you like the words of a sealed book, which when they give it to the one who is literate, saying, "Please read this," he will say, " I cannot, for it is sealed."
Jer 51:37 And Babylon will become a heap of ruins, a haunt of jackals, An object of horror and hissing, without inhabitants. 38 They will roar together like young lions, They will growl like lions' clubs. 39 When they become heated up, I shall serve them their banquet and make them drunk, that they may become jubilant and may sleep a perpetual sleep and not wake up," declares the Lord. 40 "And I shall bring them down like lambs to the slaughter, like rams together with male goats."
The Biblical examples of being made 'drunk' are judgments and condemnation being poured out. Think feelings of jubilation are proof of Holy Spirit blessings? Think again. This manifestation comes complete with feelings of jubilation... and then they were destroyed.
Wow.. truly revealing indeed.
God won't be mocked.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 10:52:05 AM
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God's in all this. And you shall believe what you wish. We all have to answer to God for ourselves.
Heidi Baker is always very drunk in the spirit when she preaches here in the states (and she's here lots at conferences. She preached at a baptist pastors conference years ago. She's asked to come to lots of places)
She sometimes can hardly even hold the mike. It's hilarious. This only happens to her when she preaches in the west and she asked God once, "Jesus, why does this only happen in the west and not ever when I preach in Africa or another 3rd world country?" And God told her, "Because they don't have an issue with control."
God is purposefully showing up in a way that looks ridiculous to our minds to expose what is really in the heart of His church in the west - pride. Only when we lay down our pride and humbly seek God about this stuff will we be able to recognize Jesus in the midst of it.
It's the same problems the jews and pharisees had with Jesus. The root of the problem of why they rejected Jesus was because He didn't show up looking like the King that they thought a King should look like or doing the kinds of things their king should be doing. It was their pride that was offended because they didn't want to be associated with a king like Jesus.
God has decided to show up in His church in these end times in exactly the same way. He's come in a way that some of the church won't believe a king would act or look like. It exposes pride - the pride that we know it all and that God should only come the way we allow Him to and the pride that's in the controling spirit in the church.
Jesus is in our midst and some see Him and some don't because it takes humility to be open to what God is doing when it offends the mind and doesn't look like how a 'king' should come. But God loves His church so much that He's after her heart. He wants to erradicate the pride and controlling spirit and break it off His church - and this is the way He chooses to expose hearts (in fact the same way He chose to expose hearts when He first came to earth).
I won't argue any more. There's no point in it (in fact, it's spoken against in James). You guys are free to continue in however you wish to believe and I shall continue being a love-sick worshipper who looks foolish.
God bless you all,
Stace
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 12:58:34 PM
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Heidi Baker is always very drunk in the spirit when she preaches here in the states (and she's here lots at conferences. She preached at a baptist pastors conference years ago. She's asked to come to lots of places)
She sometimes can hardly even hold the mike. It's hilarious. This only happens to her when she preaches in the west and she asked God once, "Jesus, why does this only happen in the west and not ever when I preach in Africa or another 3rd world country?" And God told her, "Because they don't have an issue with control."
Now we're back to "the West" versus "the Third world".
Oh, the healings that take place in Third world countries. Conveniently not one video camera is ever around to show a limb growing back.
Now the West has an "issue with control", so ministers must display "drunken" behavior. OR...
it's a judgment as in the Scriptures lw9 posted yesterday...OR...
My dad had a friend decades ago that always wanted to be drunk. The friend liked vodka.
One day my dad and his other buddies got a vodka bottle and filled it up with water.
They gave it to their vodka-imbibing friend. He began to drink it...and began to act drunk...on water.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 6:00:47 PM
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So now THIS is being defended as legit?
Acts 2 has been used to defend what we're discussing. Read chapter 2, and then let us consider these points:
* No drunken behavior mentioned - only the works of God being praised in the varied languages of the crowd.
* Only a small minority - the mockers - accused them of being drunk. It was not a legitimate charge, and Peter flatly denies it.
* The prediction of Joel contains no reference to drunken behavior.
* Peter, under the power of the Spirit is not at a loss for words. He preaches a clear and powerful call to repentance.
* The crowd was orderly enough that thousands could hear Peter without the benefit of a PA system.
YET we have the defense here of people like Rodney Howard Browne that can't even finish reading a single passage of Scripture because of being "drunk in the spirit".
Our next stop is Ephesians 5:18, which tells us not to be drunk with wine, which leads to ruin, but to be filled with the Spirit. Again, let us observe:
* This is not comparing the effects of an alcoholic stupor with being drunk in the Spirit. It is a contrast of opposites! Drunkenness removes self-control. The Holy Spirit produces the fruit of self-control (Galatians 5:23).
* Verse 19 lists the results of being filled with the Spirit; praising lips, a praising heart, and a thankful attitude.
What an insult to a Holy God, to attribute drunken behavior to His Holy Spirit! While the Bible never refers to being 'drunk in the Spirit', it contains numerous condemnations of drunkenness, and it does refer to spiritual drunkenness as a judgment from God. Consider the following passages:
I have trodden down the peoples in My anger, made them drunk in My fury… Isaiah 63:6
"…Thus says the Lord: "Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land…with drunkenness! "And I will dash them one against another…I will destroy them" Jeremiah 13:13-14
"And they will drink and stagger and go mad because of the sword I will send among them." Jeremiah 25:16
'Therefore you shall say to them, "Thus says… the God of Israel: "Drink, be drunk, and vomit! Fall and rise no more…"' Jeremiah 25:27
Many more examples could be given of the attitude which prevails in these church circles. There appears to be no fear of God.
After all, who fears a jolly bartender? Supposedly the presence of God is at these meetings in a mighty way. Strangely lacking however, is the biblical response to the awesome presence of almighty God.
Consider these things before the Lord. Search the Scriptures, and if you find what I'm saying to be true, then take action. Don't place yourself under the influence of those who promote such practices. Rebuke this behavior if you see it occurring. Speak out against this desecration of the character and name of God.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 6:09:57 PM
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Greetings! Did you see what was happening on the outside? Well... God looks into the Spirit of things. He will continue to pour out The Spirit and not happy will you be because you were not left out. One Spirit, One God, many folds. You received the same Holy Spirit that these are choosing to welcome and enjoy. What did you get that was better or worse than these? By your careful noticing of the outside of things, only, do you pre-suppose that it is not worship in The Spirit and Truth as it is written. For the Kingdom does not come by your careful analysis or noticing of things as Jesus said. knowledge puffs up, but The Spirit edifies.
Who are you to tell anyone that they are worse than you? Everything that have been given is by The Grace of The Almighty God. You can do nothing apart from Him and his allowing as it is written. Because God was gracious and forgave you all of the sins that you committed, you hold others' sins against them? It is written regarding the servant who did this that God would be furious with him; instead.
There is no one in this world, and especially in the body of believers in Christ, that needs to account to you for anything; earthless. You are not appointed as judge, Christ Judges all of us, no one else. We are His servants and He will do with us as He pleases. Whether it be hades, or heaven. All power and authority is His in heaven and on earth.
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So now THIS is being defended as legit?
Acts 2 has been used to defend what we're discussing. Read chapter 2, and then let us consider these points:
* No drunken behavior mentioned - only the works of God being praised in the varied languages of the crowd.
* Only a small minority - the mockers - accused them of being drunk. It was not a legitimate charge, and Peter flatly denies it.
* The prediction of Joel contains no reference to drunken behavior.
* Peter, under the power of the Spirit is not at a loss for words. He preaches a clear and powerful call to repentance.
* The crowd was orderly enough that thousands could hear Peter without the benefit of a PA system.
YET we have the defense here of people like Rodney Howard Browne that can't even finish reading a single passage of Scripture because of being "drunk in the spirit".
Our next stop is Ephesians 5:18, which tells us not to be drunk with wine, which leads to ruin, but to be filled with the Spirit. Again, let us observe:
* This is not comparing the effects of an alcoholic stupor with being drunk in the Spirit. It is a contrast of opposites! Drunkenness removes self-control. The Holy Spirit produces the fruit of self-control (Galatians 5:23).
* Verse 19 lists the results of being filled with the Spirit; praising lips, a praising heart, and a thankful attitude.
What an insult to a Holy God, to attribute drunken behavior to His Holy Spirit! While the Bible never refers to being 'drunk in the Spirit', it contains numerous condemnations of drunkenness, and it does refer to spiritual drunkenness as a judgment from God. Consider the following passages:
I have trodden down the peoples in My anger, made them drunk in My fury… Isaiah 63:6
"…Thus says the Lord: "Behold, I will fill all the inhabitants of this land…with drunkenness! "And I will dash them one against another…I will destroy them" Jeremiah 13:13-14
"And they will drink and stagger and go mad because of the sword I will send among them." Jeremiah 25:16
'Therefore you shall say to them, "Thus says… the God of Israel: "Drink, be drunk, and vomit! Fall and rise no more…"' Jeremiah 25:27
Many more examples could be given of the attitude which prevails in these church circles. There appears to be no fear of God.
After all, who fears a jolly bartender? Supposedly the presence of God is at these meetings in a mighty way. Strangely lacking however, is the biblical response to the awesome presence of almighty God.
Consider these things before the Lord. Search the Scriptures, and if you find what I'm saying to be true, then take action. Don't place yourself under the influence of those who promote such practices. Rebuke this behavior if you see it occurring. Speak out against this desecration of the character and name of God.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 6:33:23 PM
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Prophetica, ......, .john., prophetic, (whomever you decide to be on any given day.....),
Can you please, with Scripture, show us how being "drunk in the spirit" where they can't even read a Bible passage is biblical?
Experience is not a valid test of truth. The Apostle Paul said the Bible was able in and of itself to give Timothy "the wisdom that leads to salvation" (2 Timothy 3:15). It did not need Timothy's experience to validate it.
Paul went on to say, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness" (3:16).
Paul taught that the Scriptures are already inspired and profitable, not that they will become inspired or profitable, depending on the experience of the reader. Clearly, God's Word is altogether sufficient.
I also find it rather ironic that you are saying I am no one's judge and that I am wrong for judging something in light of Scripture (something you said the other day we should all do) and yet your post is indeed a judgment of mine, no?
Heh.
Why is it that with you.. some days your against something and other days you're taking the opposite stance? And I am not the only one here to notice that about you.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 6:47:35 PM
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Paul said that Scripture was good if it was used properly regarding the law of God. He also said that the law worked in him to create more sin in him because of the seven worse religiousity thinkings that came to him over a 'knowledge' of Scriptures; which he had been well trained in. Therefore, he resolved himself to overcome the 'knowledge' issues that arose with the judean people to go to preach to the gentiles with demonstration of the Spirit of God and with Power. He said one should become a 'fool' so that they can become wise. Because there is a way that seems right to a person, but in the end it leads them to destruction. You are no better than anyone else, because you can read a little Scripture. These can read too. They are experiencing a form of worship to God. It makes very little difference what a person says about anything when speaking on their own. The one that speaks to gain honor for the One that sent him is a person of Truth, and there is nothing false in that person. What do you gain by making statements that are libelous and slanderous against others? Is this the good 'work' that you propose that you are doing for Jesus? Do not pre-suppose to yourself that because you can read and study that the other persons do not have justification as well. For all have sinned and are justified freely by the redemptive Grace that came through Christ Jesus our Lord and Savior. I have given many Scriptures in the past. Where were you when Scripture was written? I was not here, either. We are not better than anyone else. On the contrary, we both have many things to 'work' out with God before the time come for us both to be Judged before The Great White Throne of God. We are continually being refreshed and renewed in the renewing of our minds; daily. The daily bread.
Where is it written about nuclear weapons? Where is is written regarding biotech? Where is the 'science' of today written in the bible? Where is the genealogical listing of the dinosaurs and all of creation in the bible? Yet all of this 'knowledge' and wisdom comes from God and He shares it with whichever people that He so desires to at whatever time in history that He ordains.
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Prophetica, ......, .john., prophetic, (whomever you decide to be on any given day.....),
Can you please, with Scripture, show us how being "drunk in the spirit" where they can't even read a Bible passage is biblical?
Experience is not a valid test of truth. The Apostle Paul said the Bible was able in and of itself to give Timothy "the wisdom that leads to salvation" (2 Timothy 3:15). It did not need Timothy's experience to validate it.
Paul went on to say, "All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness" (3:16).
Paul taught that the Scriptures are already inspired and profitable, not that they will become inspired or profitable, depending on the experience of the reader. Clearly, God's Word is altogether sufficient.
I also find it rather ironic that you are saying I am no one's judge and that I am wrong for judging something in light of Scripture (something you said the other day we should all do) and yet your post is indeed a judgment of mine, no?
Heh.
Why is it that with you.. some days your against something and other days you're taking the opposite stance? And I am not the only one here to notice that about you.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 6:51:32 PM
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Prophetica, ......, .john., prophetic, (whomever you decide to be on any given day.....),
Everything I have ever shared about anyone's teachings, activities, or prophecies are backed with context and documentation/evidence.
So how does your charge of me using libel or being slanderous apply?
Considering you're not providing Scriptural evidence for how being "drunk in the spirit" is biblical... well, at least, maybe you can provide the evidence for your charges of libel and slander.
Thanks.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 7:08:21 PM
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Apart from the usual nonsensical prophetica exchanges... let's get back to the topic at hand.
In Acts 5:16, early in the apostolic age when the church was just getting started, we read that multitudes were being healed by the apostles. Twenty-five years later Paul, the greatest of all the apostles, could not be delivered from his own troublesome thorn (2 Corinthians 12:7-10).
Though he at one time seems to have had the ability to heal others at will (Acts 28:8), as Paul neared the end of his life he showed no evidence of such a gift. He advised Timothy to take a little wine for his stomach's sake, a common way of treating illness in that day (1 Timothy 5:23).
Later on, at the very end of his career, Paul left a beloved brother sick at Miletus (2 Timothy 4:20). He surely would have healed him if he could.
In the early pages of Acts, Jerusalem was filled with miracles. After the martyrdom of Stephen, however, no more miracles were recorded in that city. Something was changing.
The miracles of the apostolic age were not to be the pattern for succeeding generations of Christians. We have no mandate to see or perform miracles. We do have a mandate, however, to study and obey God's Word, which is able to make us wise and mature. And we do have a mandate to live by faith, not by sight (2 Corinthians 5:7).
John 14:12 records this promise from our Lord: "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go to the Father." To listen to some contemporary advocates of signs and wonders ministry you would think this promise bypassed the apostolic age and is being fulfilled in their meetings.
"Greater works" does not mean more spectacular miracles; nothing in the context of John 14 speaks of supernatural signs and wonders. What is a greater work than raising the dead? John 5:20-21 indicates it is the giving of spiritual life to sinners.
Of course, the apostles' works were greater in scope, not in quality, than those of Jesus. They took the Gospel to the ends of the known world in their day. But much of that was accomplished after miracles had begun to pass from the scene.
Some charismatics allege that if we concede that the age of miracles is past, we espouse a deficient concept of God. Jerry Horner, associate professor of biblical literature at Oral Roberts University, said, "Who in the world would want a God who has lost all of His zip? Could God do one thing in one century but not in another century?.... Has God lost all of His power?"
Has God lost His zip? Has He done nothing significant in two thousand years? That's hardly the case.
All around us we see evidence of God's marvelous work: in the transforming new birth in the lives of millions around the world who trust Christ; in daily answers to prayer; in the providential mat5ching of people and resources to bring glory to Himself; in the resilience of His church, which has survived ruthless persecution and various internal assaults through the centuries and continues to do so today.
But God has not placed spokesmen with miracle-working power in the church today. You can be sure that if He did, they wouldn't resemble the charismatic miracle workers such as those we see on television or on the tent-meeting circuit.
Why would God authenticate bad theology? Why would He give miracle power to people who teach heresy? Yet every movement today that highlights miracles as a central theme is tainted with shoddy theology, confused and inconsistent doctrine, outright heresy, or a combination of these.
Ephesians 3:20 gives a promise for our age: Our Lord "is able to do exceeding abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works with us." What God does in and through us today is not what He did in the apostolic age.
He had a special purpose for the apostles and their miracles. and that purpose was served. He also has a special purpose for us, and it will be marvelous, because He is God and what He does is always marvelous.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 7:29:33 PM
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Hello! I cannot tell you what context you need. The context is in The Kingdom of God, not in 'knowledge' of men alone.
God does not need your testimony about youself and He does not accept it.
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Prophetica, ......, .john., prophetic, (whomever you decide to be on any given day.....),
Everything I have ever shared about anyone's teachings, activities, or prophecies are backed with context and documentation/evidence.
So how does your charge of me using libel or being slanderous apply?
Considering you're not providing Scriptural evidence for how being "drunk in the spirit" is biblical... well, at least, maybe you can provide the evidence for your charges of libel and slander.
Thanks.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 7:36:50 PM
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Prophetica, ......, .john., prophetic, (whomever you decide to be on any given day.....),
Your charge of slander and libel are still baseless. Not very nice to make a charge without any evidence, no court of law would accept that.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 7:58:21 PM
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Plenty of scriptural evidence has been given as to why the Holy Spirit will not 'bless' someone with drunkenness and destructive behavior, and it has been provided in context. Those who support 'drunk in the Spirit' have ZERO scripture to back them up. What they do have is lots of emotional statements, flowery speeches, and vague opinions... ALL of which is empty of any real content and doesn't answer the question of why this behavior isn't found in the Bible as a move of the Spirit.
If someone wants to claim that barking, howling, birthing pain, violent and uncontrollable physical signs, acting drunk and disorderly, and being destructive is of the Holy Spirit, then the scriptural burden of proof is on them. I am not obligated to take your personal word for it.
Let me repeat: I am not obligated in any way, shape, or form Biblically to take your personal word for it. I am commanded to test the spirits.
Someone's personal word is not scripture, and these types of statements are bogus, completely empty, and are unacceptable as 'evidence':
- It's of God because I say it is.
- It's of God because it made me feel good.
- It's of God because my experience was real.
- Unless you do as I do, you cannot be 'infilled' or spiritually led.
- Unless you do as I do, you are spiritually dead.
- You can't judge because you did not experience it.
- You can't judge anything because God is continually giving new revelations.
These are the only defenses the signs and wonders obsessed crowd has to hide behind when valid questions come their way and they are without an answer. It's nothing more than blowing smoke to avoid the real issues.
I have no problem making this statement: The drunken and destructive 'spirit' that has been described here bears no resemblance to the Holy Spirit of the Bible.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 8:01:05 PM
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Have you not read when the power of God came on Elijah that he slayed the false prophets of baal. Isn't it written that the power of God came upon Samson and he tore up the people that were oppressing Israel? Isn't it written how God had awesome Power over the spiritual realm when His Son came on earth. What about Hell? How Awesome a prospect is Hell? One never ceases to exist there, once thrown there in torment!
One Spirit, many different Works!
God, The Holy Spirit, has done all of these things and more:
Have you not heard of black holes and awesome destruction of earthquakes and hurricanes? All of these are beneath the Power of The Holy Spirit and Christ Jesus whose Word sustains the universe.
Can your eyes see across the galaxy? Do you see into the spiritual realm and perceive from whence your enemy comes? Do you see God? Can you see when He performs things? I tell you that you can see with your earthly eyes, yet you still did not believe the testimony of some who had experienced these phenomenons.
Do you perceive the battle around you that happens daily in the spiritual. How Awesome, then, is the deliverance of God!
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Plenty of scriptural evidence has been given as to why the Holy Spirit will not 'bless' someone with drunkenness and destructive behavior, and it has been provided in context. Those who support 'drunk in the Spirit' have ZERO scripture to back them up. What they do have is lots of emotional statements, flowery speeches, and vague opinions... ALL of which is empty of any real content and doesn't answer the question of why this behavior isn't found in the Bible as a move of the Spirit.
If someone wants to claim that barking, howling, birthing pain, violent and uncontrollable physical signs, acting drunk and disorderly, and being destructive is of the Holy Spirit, then the scriptural burden of proof is on them. I am not obligated to take your personal word for it.
Let me repeat: I am not obligated in any way, shape, or form Biblically to take your personal word for it. I am commanded to test the spirits.
Someone's personal word is not scripture, and these types of statements are bogus, completely empty, and are unacceptable as 'evidence':
- It's of God because I say it is.
- It's of God because it made me feel good.
- It's of God because my experience was real.
- Unless you do as I do, you cannot be 'infilled' or spiritually led.
- Unless you do as I do, you are spiritually dead.
- You can't judge because you did not experience it.
- You can't judge anything because God is continually giving new revelations.
These are the only defenses the signs and wonders obsessed crowd has to hide behind when valid questions come their way and they are without an answer. It's nothing more than blowing smoke to avoid the real issues.
I have no problem making this statement: The drunken and destructive 'spirit' that has been described here bears no resemblance to the Holy Spirit of the Bible.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 8:12:41 PM
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prophetica: Have you not read when the power of God ...
Stay in the current discussion, please. We are not discussing the creation of the Universe, hell, or God's calling for the slaying of others. We are specifically discussing manifestations that are being called 'gifts and blessings' of the indwelled Holy Spirit. Clearly you are ignoring what's been posted. God CAN bring drunkenness on a person, but it's a JUDGMENT and a CONDEMNATION, not a blessing. If you had bothered to read just a few posts back you would have seen that.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 8:23:10 PM
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This thread is regarding the Power and Work and Person of The Holy Spirit. There is no reason to believe that these who are under a different Work of The Holy Spirit of God are condemned. For it is written do not condemn, lest you be condemned.
Some of these have chosen to enjoy this Work. Some have not.
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prophetica: Have you not read when the power of God ...
Stay in the current discussion, please. We are not discussing the creation of the Universe, hell, or God's calling for the slaying of others. We are specifically discussing manifestations that are being called 'gifts and blessings' of the indwelled Holy Spirit. Clearly you are ignoring what's been posted. God CAN bring drunkenness on a person, but it's a JUDGMENT and a CONDEMNATION, not a blessing. If you had bothered to read just a few posts back you would have seen that.
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RE: :: Slain in the Spirit - 4/19/2008 8:26:57 PM
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Godhead
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I do not think that this slaying is from God, but a manifestation of gross stupidity on all who believe and practice it. To attribute such nonsense to Almighty God is to accuse Him of such flippant behavior as to accuse Him of superficiality and shallowness of character. It is an insult to God and blasphemy. That is my honest opinion.
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A Seventh day Adventist came up to me and said, “Do you know that there is no hell?”
I then immediately replied, “Well you have nothing to worry about then.”
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