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bentzsur -> Is Jesus God (6/9/2007 7:20:44 PM)

I heard and seen this from people and on sites but never in the word? can some one help me understand if this is so and if not can some one tell me where this notion comes from



LCannon -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/9/2007 7:36:02 PM)

Philippians 2:5-"Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore[the Etermal]God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of 'JESUS', every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

Any question? No. "You are Jehovah, the Eternal God, his Son is the God of Redemption and the Holy Spirit is the God of Conviction."



bentzsur -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/9/2007 7:58:57 PM)

i thought we had only one god and why doesn't the messiah called the holy spirit a god instead of a helper



LCannon -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/9/2007 8:12:01 PM)

Then, perhaps, you need to change your limited imagination and view God Almighty as he sees himself; Eternal, Redemptive AND Convictive.



colleague3674 -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/9/2007 8:13:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bentzsur

i thought we had only one god and why doesn't the messiah called the holy spirit a god instead of a helper


Jesus actually referred to the Holy Spirit as a comforter...the word in the Greek is parakletos. It's a compound word meaning to come alongside...summoned or called to one's side, to aid. It can also mean an advocate or one who pleads another's case before a judge.

Names in early Eastern cultures were seen to signify character, traits or attributes. A study of the names of God throughout the Old Testament clearly demonstrate this. Jesus' use of comforter or parakletos in referring to the Holy Spirit is accurate and detracts nothing from His diety.



rosswell59 -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/9/2007 8:20:55 PM)

In answer to the question "Is Jesus God?" you need to read the first chapter of John. BTW, this is not a point to be disputed on this web site, however if you are new to scripture and need help we will be happy to help.
Yours in Christ,
Ross



Jeffreyelijah -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/9/2007 8:37:36 PM)

John 10 30.......................



steve7150 -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/9/2007 8:48:16 PM)

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i thought we had only one god and why doesn't the messiah called the holy spirit a god instead of a helper


IMHO we do have one God yet Jesus is described as diety and i believe the Holy Spirit also. But prior to his incarnation Jesus is only referred to as "the Word of God" not the Son and in the OT the Holy Spirit is referred to as "The Spirit of God." So both the "Word" and the "Spirit" are "of God" which i believe means they originated from God and their diety is God's diety. So God is not limited to a physical body like his creation because His diety can be manifested in Christ and the Spirit as it was manifested in various ways in the OT.



SENClander -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/9/2007 9:06:18 PM)

John 1:1 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."



jbow -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/9/2007 11:46:10 PM)

Isaiah 9:6

For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

J



everjoyful -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/10/2007 3:25:43 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SENClander

John 1:1 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."



saves me writing these quotes. jesus is the word.

jesus is god!

please read john. you will see over and over that jesus is god. even his simple answer "i am" is him saying he is god as god said this in the ot.

if i speak, my words are my words, they are part of me. they can be removed from me and go elsewhere. ie you are reading this but i am not there,. now imagine that these words are not written but actually take the form of a person who can only say what i would say. and voila you have my word made flesh. imagine i could also use this being to be more that just my words. it could have my heart and my skills etc. it would have to keep in contact with me though to make sure we were still of the same mind. and i would be very happy to have it returned to me. because it is very much still me.



timf -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/10/2007 10:38:45 AM)

John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?



jbow -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/10/2007 6:06:51 PM)

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Yes, Jesus is God. God Almighty. It was He who led Israel through the Red Sea, through the wilderness, and then through the Jordan.

Jude 5, (ESV), Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

J



figmentPez -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/12/2007 2:35:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: steve7150

But prior to his incarnation Jesus is only referred to as "the Word of God" not the Son


This is absolutely false. Jesus Christ is eternally the Son of God. Jesus Christ has always been the son of His Father. Jesus Christ was begotten before all worlds, and is indeed referred to as the Son even in the OT.

Psalm 2:7, 12
7 I will proclaim the decree of the LORD :
He said to me, "You are my Son;
today I have become your Father.
...
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry
and you be destroyed in your way,
for his wrath can flare up in a moment.
Blessed are all who take refuge in him.



Yahshuah-is-Yahweh -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/13/2007 11:15:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: bentzsur

I heard and seen this from people and on sites but never in the word? can some one help me understand if this is so and if not can some one tell me where this notion comes from



TO simply answer your question with one verse. Read Revelation 1:8, Jesus(Yahshuah) says.....

I am Alpha, and Omega, the beginning and the end, which is and which was, and which is to come, "THE ALMIGHTY".

(He has to be god, to make that anouncement)

And to kill the debate of god being one god, or three beings co-existing as one godhead, Read Revelation 22:3, it says...

"And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of god and of the lamb shall be in it; and HIS servants shall serve HIM"

"And they shall see HIS FACE; and HIS NAME shall be in there foreheads.

So when you die you shall only see " ONE FACE" and have "ONE NAME" on your forehead.

and that name is YAHSHUAH! (hebrew for Jesus)

"For in him dwells the fulness of the godhead bodily"....colossians 2:9



Angelus00 -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/14/2007 12:19:05 PM)

Try here:

http://socrates58.blogspot.com/2007/01/jesus-is-god-biblical-proofs.html

Pax



CherishedbyGod -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/14/2007 6:10:22 PM)

Try here, also[;)]


http://www.ignitermedia.com/products/iv/singles/4/Thats-My-King



xsparrow -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/14/2007 9:20:38 PM)

Love all the scripture here!!! and I will add my verse!

Isa 7:14 "Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign: Behold, a virgin will be with child and bear a son, and she will call His name Immanuel.

[15th century. Via late Latin < Greek Emmanouēl < Hebrew `immānū'ēl "with us is God"]



figmentPez -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/15/2007 5:59:22 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Yahshuah-is-Yahweh

quote:

ORIGINAL: bentzsur

I heard and seen this from people and on sites but never in the word? can some one help me understand if this is so and if not can some one tell me where this notion comes from



TO simply answer your question with one verse. Read Revelation 1:8, Jesus(Yahshuah) says.....

I am Alpha, and Omega, the beginning and the end, which is and which was, and which is to come, "THE ALMIGHTY".

(He has to be god, to make that anouncement)

And to kill the debate of god being one god, or three beings co-existing as one godhead, Read Revelation 22:3, it says...

"And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of god and of the lamb shall be in it; and HIS servants shall serve HIM"

"And they shall see HIS FACE; and HIS NAME shall be in there foreheads.

So when you die you shall only see " ONE FACE" and have "ONE NAME" on your forehead.

and that name is YAHSHUAH! (hebrew for Jesus)

"For in him dwells the fulness of the godhead bodily"....colossians 2:9


Yahshuah? You mean, the Hebrew name that means "Yahweh is salvation"? See, God gave His name for all time, to Moses way back before the Exodus.

Exodus 3:14-15
14God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
15God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you ' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations.

"The LORD... This is My name forever." LORD is an English translation of the tetragrammaton, sometimes refered to as YHWH or Yahweh (though, no one is sure what vowels should be added, not to mention that Yahweh is just an English approximation of Hebrew).

The Father is LORD, the Son is LORD, the Holy Spirit is LORD. One God, three persons, one Name above all names.



PROPHETSONG -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/15/2007 10:39:02 PM)

Isaiah 9:6&7
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this
This prophesy from Isaiah of the coming of Christ and gives him the titles of " Wonderful, Counsellor," this same title is given by Jesus in regards tothe Holy Spirit in John chapter 16, this shared title puts Jesus on the same level as God the Holy Spirit.

The mighty God; This title identifying Jesus is also used in reference to God the Father. This shared title puts Jesus on the same level as God the father.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
The exact greek word that is used in this translated pray verse is erotao, in ancient greek this word is used to address someone that is on the same level. Christ is actually referring to the Father as a equal in this verse.
This title The everlasting Father, is applied to Christ in Isaiah nine, and It identifies the Son and the Father as one in the same. This makes Jesus God according to scripture.
Now for futher evidence into the indentity of God let us go ahead to Acts chapter nine.
Meanwhile, Saul was uttering threats with every breath. He was eager to destroy the Lord's followers, [fn1] so he went to the high priest. 2 He requested letters addressed to the synagogues in Damascus, asking their cooperation in the arrest of any followers of the Way he found there. He wanted to bring them-both men and women-back to Jerusalem in chains.
3 As he was nearing Damascus on this mission, a brilliant light from heaven suddenly beamed down upon him! 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul! Saul! Why are you persecuting me?"
[Paul knew that this was his God that did this and spoke to him.]
5 "Who are you, sir?" Saul asked. [this greek word here is kyrios it is used in the new testiment as a titlI am the Alpha and the Omega-the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, the Almighty One."
e for God. Paul asked God to indentify himself the rest of the verse is the voice of God indentifying himself as Jesus]
And the voice replied, "I am Jesus, the one you are persecuting!
Finally let us go to revelation 1:8 which reads I am the Alpha and the Omega-the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, the Almighty One."
God almighty says he is the Alpha, and Omega in verse 8. Now let us go ahead to chapter 22;

12 "See, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me, to repay all according to their deeds. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
14 Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life. 15 Outside the city are the dogs-the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.
16 "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. [fn2] I am the bright morning star."
In verse 12 God uses the term Alpha and Omega to indentify himself just like in chapter 1. In verse 16 God is indentified as Jesus.
Jesus is God.



PROPHETSONG -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/15/2007 11:07:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SENClander

John 1:1 " In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God."

John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth."


your point is true and valid according to the scripture. However, there is more in that chapter that deals with the divinity of Christ.

3 He created everything there is. Nothing exists that he didn't make. this verse declares Jesus as God the creator, as does verse ten.
10 But although the world was made through him, the world didn't recognize him when he came.
Verse 15 is equally vital in establishing the deity of Christ.
15 John pointed him out to the people. He shouted to the crowds, "This is the one I was talking about when I said, `Someone is coming who is far greater than I am, for he existed long before I did.' "
this verse Isaiah 40:3 tell of the ministry of John the Baptist
Listen! I hear the voice of someone shouting, "Make a highway for the Lord through the wilderness. Make a straight, smooth road through the desert for our God.
John was called to prepare Israel for the coming of Jehovah God. John's message was repent and straighten out your ways because the great Iam, the God of Israel is coming.
In John 1:15 John makes the staemant that Jesus existed long before himself, inspite of the fact that John was Jesus' older Cousin by about six months. What is being said here is that the Lord Jesus existed long before he was born in human form. Cults usually have preplanned responses to the verses you used, but the other verses I just showed you in that same chapter usually catches them offguard. God Bless you



Yahshuah-is-Yahweh -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/15/2007 11:15:20 PM)

To prove to you that Yahshuah is the name of god, read Isaiah 45:23

"I have sworn by myself, the word is gone out of my mouth, in righteousness, and shall not return, That unto me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear."

Phillipians 2:10

"That at the name of Yahshuah (Jesus) every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; "

Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, andof the Holy Ghost:

(matthew speaks of the father, son and holyghost having, ONE NAME.)

So what could that name be in which we must be baptized?

Answer: Acts 2:38 "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of JESUS Christ(YAHSHUAH) for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive thegift of the Holy Ghost."



apostolic007 -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/16/2007 3:56:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: colleague3674

quote:

ORIGINAL: bentzsur

i thought we had only one god and why doesn't the messiah called the holy spirit a god instead of a helper


Jesus actually referred to the Holy Spirit as a comforter...the word in the Greek is parakletos. It's a compound word meaning to come alongside...summoned or called to one's side, to aid. It can also mean an advocate or one who pleads another's case before a judge.

Names in early Eastern cultures were seen to signify character, traits or attributes. A study of the names of God throughout the Old Testament clearly demonstrate this. Jesus' use of comforter or parakletos in referring to the Holy Spirit is accurate and detracts nothing from His diety.



Yes Jesus does refer to the Holy Spirit as parakletos. He also refers to himself as the comforter that was to come as well.



tony.nz -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/16/2007 8:19:53 PM)

I have just finished posting all of these on another thread, here goes again....


Isa 43,10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.




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Joh 8,24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 25 Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.



Ac 10,43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins

Isaiah 8:13 Sanctify the LORD of hosts himself; and let him be your fear, and let him be your dread. 14 And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem

Romans 9:31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone; 33 As it is written, Behold, I lay in Sion a stumblingstone and rock of offence: and whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.


John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not. 12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(In regard to the last verse, you may wish to consider who was seen and spoken to by many of the ancients, including Moses, Abraham, and Gideon. I could look up the verses if you want.)


John 3:1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: 2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. 3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven. 14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.


God bless you in your search for Truth, may He whose name is Truth, find you.

Joh 14,6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



figmentPez -> RE: Is Jesus God (6/16/2007 10:42:51 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: apostolic007

Yes Jesus does refer to the Holy Spirit as parakletos. He also refers to himself as the comforter that was to come as well.


And, he refers to the Holy Spirit as "another helper" as well, what's your point?



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