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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/25/2007 11:49:46 PM
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Not fruitless, I found a few things  . You will find people are a lot more likely to report on slander than the answers a campaign gives. O, and be careful if you are getting your info from lonestartimes.com it is not the best kind of website out there.
The Paul campaign made this statement:
Dr. Paul stands for freedom, peace, prosperity, and the protection of inalienable individual rights. He knows that liberty is the antidote for racism, anti-Semitism, and other small minded ideologies. Dr. Paul has focused all of his energy on winning the presidency so he can cut the size of government and protect the freedom of every American. Neither he nor his staff is going to waste time screening donors. If a handful of individuals with views anathema to Dr. Paul’s send in checks, then they have wasted their money. I cannot profess to understand the motivations of Don Black as neither Dr. Paul nor I know who he is, but a simple Google search shows that his $500 contribution has netted him at least 88 news hits, including Charen’s column. Perhaps a better explanation for his “contribution” is not support for Ron, but the attention he knew he would receive. Dr. Paul’s campaign site now offers a statement clarifying his views on racism at www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/
I think it is an OK statement I like the part in bold. I also found two other comments made to magazine reporters.
"I asked Bydlak about attention the campaign is getting from creepy white supremacists, and whether if they discovered donations from specious people they'd give them back. "If people hold views that the candidate doesn't agree with, and they give to us, that's their loss."
"As for what the campaign will do with the supremacist donations, Benton said white supremacists are wasting their money on Paul, a physician and long-time congressman from Texas. "We are not in the business of trying to track who is giving us money," Benton said. "If they want to waste their money on us we will take it and use it to promote freedom and individual rights, not their agenda.""
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/26/2007 8:23:06 AM
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What's the matter with LST? What makes it "not the best kind of website" out there?
I have seen those statements from the campaign and even linked to them in this thread. Through LST. However, there has been nothing from Paul himself. I guess my issue (and it just might be mine alone) is on the appearance of it. For example, if I as a Jesus loving, bible believing Christian were to go out in public wearing the clothing of a devil worshiper than my witness would be called into question. In my head that's the way I see it and I think this campaign could do a lot better to address the issue straight on. (That might not have been the best of examples, but it is early after a long weekend.)
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/26/2007 11:25:11 AM
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Great. I'm sure you're all waiting to pounce on the "Bunny Ranch Brothel Endorses Paul" story. Here it is:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,312872,00.html
So some prostitution mogul in Nevada supports him. The article has a quote from Paul that he doesn't support what they're doing but fights for liberty and state rights.
That's consistent of him IMHO. Still good.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/26/2007 12:34:12 PM
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The article has a quote from Paul that he doesn't support what they're doing but fights for liberty and state rights. Actually, the quote is not from Paul but from Paul spokesman Jeff Greenspan.
I'm all in favor of states rights. It's Constitutional. But why is Ron Paul "above" making his own personal statements on these things that crop up?
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/26/2007 12:37:17 PM
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"I asked Bydlak about attention the campaign is getting from creepy white supremacists, and whether if they discovered donations from specious people they'd give them back. "If people hold views that the candidate doesn't agree with, and they give to us, that's their loss."
"As for what the campaign will do with the supremacist donations, Benton said white supremacists are wasting their money on Paul, a physician and long-time congressman from Texas. "We are not in the business of trying to track who is giving us money," Benton said. "If they want to waste their money on us we will take it and use it to promote freedom and individual rights, not their agenda.""
Works for me. my dollar shouldn't peddle any more influence than the undertaxed Warren Buffet's, as far as policy is concerned. If I support him, I support him. End of story. I like Ron Paul even more after this response.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/26/2007 1:50:45 PM
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I can see your point, It would be nice to hear from Paul himself and I think that is why they put the webpage up. Ron Paul has so much to do. Sometimes he's in NV, SC and NH in the same week, plus looking at all the bills he votes on (he reads them all before he votes). That is why he has spokesman, it takes much less time to tell someone what you think and let them tell the press. I know it is not the best but all campaigns do it, Paul just can't do everything.
As for LST read this: lonestartimes.com/2007/09/18/mike-huckabee-wins-wacky-values-debate-ron-paul-places-second/ . I was not overly impressed with the Values Voter Debate, but that is just mean. mean to Huckabee, Paul, Roy Moore and all the people who worked on that (It was good Idea). I have not read to much on LST.com, but most of what i have read has been mean spirited (And I think they might be racist against Ron Paul ).
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/26/2007 5:28:51 PM
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I tryed calling Rudy's campaign and asked for Rudy, they would not let me talk to him or give me his cell number. I can't belive this I thought Rudy would talk direct to everyone. JK, but still do you really think Rudy has no spokesman? Come on man think about it.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/26/2007 6:03:49 PM
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Paul has so much to do. Sometimes he's in NV, SC and NH in the same week
The diminutive, David Duke endorsed 1 probably doesn't criss cross the nation an eighth of what Rudy might.....but Rudy still manages to talk direct to the press and audiences.And gets like Obama rock star like attendance..Paul has tiny audiences.
When mayor here he was famous for his town-hall meetings and a regular weekly radio show..where he heard unfiltered from the average citizen.
Does he have spokespeople, of course.
But Paul needs to denounce David Duke, et. al.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/26/2007 6:48:47 PM
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Paul Endorsed by Nevada Brothel Owner
RENO, Nev. (AP) — Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul, an underdog Texas congressman with a libertarian streak, has picked up an endorsement from a Nevada brothel owner.
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Paul spokesman Jeff Greenspan said Paul is a diehard supporter of states rights and an ardent libertarian who wants to return the purview of the federal government to what is articulated in the U.S. Constitution. Paul also is a devout Christian who opposes abortion.
"On a personal basis, he doesn't condone those things," Greenspan said of prostitution. "At the same time, from his campaign perspective, it's not the role of federal government and it's not in the constitution for federal government to regulate these things.
"The Nevada voters and Legislature have decided it is legal activity in this state," he added.
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One has to decide if they agree that states rights should extend to issues such as abortion and prostitution. Prostitution may be one thing, but if you believe abortion is murder, should it be up to states to make it legal or illegal? If this argument had won out at another time in history, we still might be a nation rife with slavery.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/27/2007 2:59:58 AM
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True. I guess it is assumed that states *will* make laws against blatantly immoral things like murder.
That might be one weakness in Paul's position, however. Not enough to reduce my support of him, for now.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/27/2007 3:32:24 AM
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This is confusing but I'll fry to explain it. Paul thinks abortion is murder. And murder is not a federal crime, it is a state crime. So If the federal government made a law on a state crime the liberal judges would strike it down. So the only good way for the federal government to stop abortion is to declare that life starts at conception, thus making abortion murder by law of the constitution (just like Ron Paul wants). Ron Paul sponsored a life at conception bill soon after he took office and re-introduces a life at conception bill every year (he is a good man).
Of the 08 candidates only Ron Paul and Duncan Hunter have put work were their mouth is on abortion.
Take a look at this quote from paul:
"The right of an innocent, unborn child to life is at the heart of the American ideals of liberty. My professional and legislative record demonstrates my strong commitment to this pro-life principle.
In 40 years of medical practice, I never once considered performing an abortion, nor did I ever find abortion necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.
In Congress, I have authored legislation that seeks to define life as beginning at conception, HR 1094.
I am also the prime sponsor of HR 300, which would negate the effect of Roe v Wade by removing the ability of federal courts to interfere with state legislation to protect life. This is a practical, direct approach to ending federal court tyranny which threatens our constitutional republic and has caused the deaths of 45 million of the unborn.
I have also authored HR 1095, which prevents federal funds to be used for so-called “population control.”
Many talk about being pro-life. I have taken direct action to restore protection for the unborn.
As an OB/GYN doctor, I’ve delivered over 4,000 babies. That experience has made me an unshakable foe of abortion. Many of you may have read my book, Challenge To Liberty, which champions the idea that there cannot be liberty in a society unless the rights of all innocents are protected. Much can be understood about the civility of a society in observing its regard for the dignity of human life."
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/27/2007 8:33:44 AM
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Great stuff, thanks. Does the National Right to Life Committee know about this? Any chance of getting them to change their endorsement?
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/27/2007 11:05:25 PM
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If they did't know it before they endorsed Fred Thompson they found out the day after . The National Right to Life Committee has always liked Paul and aked people to call their representative to support Paul's bills. I don't know why they did not endorsed him.
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Great stuff, thanks. Does the National Right to Life Committee know about this? Any chance of getting them to change their endorsement?
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/28/2007 10:54:57 AM
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But why is Ron Paul "above" making his own personal statements on these things that crop up?
The tactic is designed to pull Paul off his message and addressing the silly issues. He is wise to stay on target. Don't let the sleaze-balls lure you into their game.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/29/2007 9:23:37 AM
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Two items.
1. Ron Paul is the top pick on CNN's online poll. 7 questions; Paul has the highest percentage on all but question 4 ("Who had the most disappointing performance at the debate?"), whose top pick is Rudy Giuliani.
2. John McCain thought he could rewrite history. With all due respect to this one-time serviceperson, McCain doesn't know what he's talking about, and it shows how desperate he is that he had to resort to impugning Paul's character by insinuating that Paul's mentality brought about the horrors of World War II. Then again, considering how people like Giuliani are ignorant and get away with it (anyone read his Foreign Affairs article a short while ago? Comedy material), it's not surprising that even George W. Bush defeated McCain.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/29/2007 9:28:25 AM
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Basically, what McCain was saying was that if we had left Hussein alone, he would have turned out like Hitler. What McCain doesn't realize is that we are 60 years away from WWII. Hopefully, we had learned our lesson. We didn't have U.N. Sanctions back then to contain them. The sanctions were working. Paul was right, McCain was wrong.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/29/2007 9:36:36 AM
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Basically, what McCain was saying was that if we had left Hussein alone, he would have turned out like Hitler. What McCain doesn't realize is that we are 60 years away from WWII. Hopefully, we had learned our lesson. We didn't have U.N. Sanctions back then to contain them. The sanctions were working. Paul was right, McCain was wrong.
Not only was Paul right and McCain wrong, I wish to bring up Paul's brilliant rebuttal to and refutation of McCain's empty and appeal-to-kneejerk-flag-wavers comment about how the US never lost a battle in the Vietnam War.
"... Colonel Tu and Colonel Summers met, and they were talking about this. And our -- and the American colonel said, 'You know, we never lost one battle.' And Colonel Tu, the Vietnamese says, 'Yes, but that's irrelevant.'"
McCain tried to convey the message Iraq can be won not only because US troops are militarily superior, but because it's a conventional war. The first is true but the second is false. Iraq needs a political solution and we're still focused on a military answer. I won't get into this deeply here because CW has an Iraq forum, but I simply wished to highlight McCain's error and Paul's adherence to historical fact.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/29/2007 12:09:36 PM
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Two items.
1. Ron Paul is the top pick on CNN's online poll. 7 questions; Paul has the highest percentage on all but question 4 ("Who had the most disappointing performance at the debate?"), whose top pick is Rudy Giuliani.
2. John McCain thought he could rewrite history. With all due respect to this one-time serviceperson, McCain doesn't know what he's talking about, and it shows how desperate he is that he had to resort to impugning Paul's character by insinuating that Paul's mentality brought about the horrors of World War II. Then again, considering how people like Giuliani are ignorant and get away with it (anyone read his Foreign Affairs article a short while ago? Comedy material), it's not surprising that even George W. Bush defeated McCain.
I didn't see the debate, but I'll comment on item 1. Paul's supporters know how to sway poll results to the point that the poll will be taken down because of the concerted effort of his internet savvy supporters to do this. It was only a week or so ago that I believe CNN had to do this and showed the evidence on what happened.
I'm just curious as to why Paul doesn't vocalize his positions. I guess this ties in with why he doesn't address the nazi issue personally. I'll admit I'm a Glenn Beck fan. Beck was an the air again yesterday asking - pleading - with Paul to come on the air and give more than a 60 second sound bite on exactly what his positions are. Beck will give an hour of the show, TV or radio. Of course the campaign office has said they decline because Paul "wouldn't be treated fairly". Hogwash. Much of what Ron Paul says is great. Much of what he says is questionable also. For example - Abolish the FBI? And replace it with what? What is his thinking in this one question. It might make a lot of sense, or he might be way off base. Is he afraid to come out and get indepth with what he has to say?
As an aside - after Huckabee was on Glenn's show is when his numbers started going way up to the point that they had to upgrade their servers several times in several days. The same could happen with Paul also. Why won't he make an appearance? Will those of you who are his supporters ask him why?
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/29/2007 12:29:47 PM
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I didn't see the debate, but I'll comment on item 1. Paul's supporters know how to sway poll results to the point that the poll will be taken down because of the concerted effort of his internet savvy supporters to do this. It was only a week or so ago that I believe CNN had to do this and showed the evidence on what happened.
They know how to sway poll results? LOL.
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I'm just curious as to why Paul doesn't vocalize his positions. I guess this ties in with why he doesn't address the nazi issue personally. I'll admit I'm a Glenn Beck fan. Beck was an the air again yesterday asking - pleading - with Paul to come on the air and give more than a 60 second sound bite on exactly what his positions are. Beck will give an hour of the show, TV or radio. Of course the campaign office has said they decline because Paul "wouldn't be treated fairly". Hogwash. Much of what Ron Paul says is great. Much of what he says is questionable also. For example - Abolish the FBI? And replace it with what? What is his thinking in this one question. It might make a lot of sense, or he might be way off base. Is he afraid to come out and get indepth with what he has to say?
Ben, I think you and I should not talk to each other about Ron Paul too much from now on, not because we disagree, but because you're a fan of Beck. This is the guy who went on TV and made the insinuation that Ron Paul's backers constitute a terrorist threat. I support Paul and am quite insulted that I would be made to be a terrorist threat to this amazing and beautiful country I love and call HOME.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/29/2007 12:34:16 PM
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Uhm... Okay.
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RE: Ron Paul: GOP's Last Chance? - 11/29/2007 12:41:40 PM
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CNBC’s Pulled Paul Poll
Or here it is from CNBC itself.
An Open Letter to the Ron Paul Faithful
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Now these Internet polls are admittedly unscientific and subject to hacking.
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