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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/16/2008 5:52:23 PM
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futuredocter37
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I think there are 2 reasons why Ron Paul did not do better. And I will back it up with some quotes.
The first is that people just don't understand what is going on:
"It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our Banking and Monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a Revolution before tomorrow morning." - Henry Ford (A ron Paul Revolution  )
"Naturally the common people don't want war.but after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.all you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Herman Goering ( One of Hitler's top men, during the Nuremberg Trials)
"The easiest way to gain control of the population is to carry out acts of terror. The public will clamor for such laws if the personal security is threatened." - Joseph Stalin
The 2nd thing is the MSM. And that is really what caused the 1st problem. They tell us what we should think.
"We are grateful to the Washington Post, the NY Times, Time Magazine, and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings, and respected their promises of discretion for almost 40 years. It would have been impossible for us to develop OUR PLAN for the world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a World Government. The supranational sovereignty of an intellectual ELITE and World Bankers is surely preferable to the national auto - determination practiced in past centuries." - David Rockefeller CFR Kingpin, Founder of the Trilateral Commission, NOW Godfather / June 1991
I am terrified of what is coming next.
"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order." - David Rockefeller
"Today America would be outraged if UN troops entered Los Angeles to restore order. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told that there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by the World Government." - Henry Kissinger 1991 Bilderberg Conference.
Call me a "Conspiracy Nut" if you want, but they are not my words.
I am also thankful that God is sovergn and He is in controll.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/17/2008 11:42:21 AM
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I liked a lot of what Ron Paul said but my huge problem with him was that he would not give aid, financial OR military, to Israel. I couldn't vote for a President who would turn his back on Israel if there were a major attack.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/17/2008 12:36:23 PM
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I liked a lot of what Ron Paul said but my huge problem with him was that he would not give aid, financial OR military, to Israel. I couldn't vote for a President who would turn his back on Israel if there were a major attack.
That was the reason for my original rejection of RP. Here is what changed my mind on the matter.
http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin423.htm The hands off approach is far preferable to the current duplicity and betrayal. Besides, Israel is in Gods hands.
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
(2 Thessalonians 2:7-8)
For those of you who see Satan as the glue behind all "impossible" conspiracies, and acknowledge the working of iniquity in our world as more biblical than hysterical, I offer this:
Of all the candidates since Iowa, and all the administrations since Regan, ALL - on both sides of the isle - are members of the Council on Foreign Relations, with the exception of Ron Paul and Mike Huckabee. However, the president of the CFR is also the campaign manager of Mike Huckabee.
So, when it comes to involvement with this organization, which has agendas that are diametrically opposed to the sovereignty of the United States, Ron Paul is the only candidate with clean hands.
I am a patriotic American and a veteran. I believe anyone who is a member of the CFR is an enemy of the United States and ultimately to the the very idea of nationalism. These people want to build the perfect beast, and I believe they serve Babylon.
Read their website. Take their own words and extrapolate to their logical conclusions.
So, even though I acknowledge that he has zero chance of winning, I will vote for Ron Paul as a matter of conscience, there is no other vote available to me that will allow me to sleep honestly.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/17/2008 1:26:48 PM
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I think there are 2 reasons why Ron Paul did not do better. Call me a "Conspiracy Nut" if you want, but they are not my words.
The other two reasons are that L.Ron plays faster and looser with facts than the other candidates, which takes some doing. And once people of reasonable thinking ability look closely, they find he is a nut.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/17/2008 2:08:31 PM
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Tekel
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The other two reasons are that L.Ron....
Nice bit of demonizing... he REALLY IS JUST LIKE L. Ron Hubbard isn't he ? LOL
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L.Ron plays faster and looser with facts than the other candidates, which takes some doing.
Care to provide an example, or are you more comfortable playing faster and looser with facts ?
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And once people of reasonable thinking ability look closely, they find he is a nut.
Well I guess that settles it. Poor stupid me. Maybe we should legislate your IQ as a benchmark for voting or even for having reasonable debate.
Or perhaps looking closely at any of the other candidates would have a similar result ? (provided one has reasonable thinking ability of course...)
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/17/2008 2:50:53 PM
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Hey, at least he talks about facts, the other candidates just talk about nothing. Also please could you tell me what facts make Ron Paul a nut? I am very interested, as from what I can see he is the only one who is not a nut.
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The other two reasons are that L.Ron plays faster and looser with facts than the other candidates, which takes some doing. And once people of reasonable thinking ability look closely, they find he is a nut.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/18/2008 10:42:21 AM
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Care to provide an example, or are you more comfortable playing faster and looser with facts ?
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And once people of reasonable thinking ability look closely, they find he is a nut.
Well I guess that settles it. Poor stupid me. Maybe we should legislate your IQ as a benchmark for voting or even for having reasonable debate.
Or perhaps looking closely at any of the other candidates would have a similar result ? (provided one has reasonable thinking ability of course...)
This link has been provided before and is a fair representation. The site is nonpartisan and hits all parties on their spin. LINK
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/18/2008 8:54:15 PM
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I have seen that link and it is a joke, look into it. The 3 pionts are:
NAFTA Superhighway, he could not cut a $1 trillion per year, and Ronald Reagan.
NAFTA Superhighway. Look at this Link and this Link.
"Paul gets that figure by including a lot of domestic programs that he isn't planning to cut, like the U.S. Border Patrol and interest payments on the debt." It would be easy for him to cut out a $1 trillion per year, with just cuting 4 things: The war in Iraq, Health and Human Services, Office of personnel Management and the Department of Education. That's right he would not have to cut U.S. Border Patrol and interest payments on the debt, he would not even have to cut Department of Defense, Department of Labor, NASA, Department of Energy, Department of Commerce, Department of Housing and Urban Development and many, many more. It was a big lie. If you do not believe me look at the links Link 2nd Link
As for Ronald Reagan, that is easy I feel the same way. He was supposed to help things, but when he got in office he did not do what he said he would. But now looking back, he was so much better than all the junk we've had since.
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This link has been provided before and is a fair representation. The site is nonpartisan and hits all parties on their spin. LINK
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/18/2008 10:53:52 PM
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Tekel
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Care to provide an example, or are you more comfortable playing faster and looser with facts ?
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And once people of reasonable thinking ability look closely, they find he is a nut.
Well I guess that settles it. Poor stupid me. Maybe we should legislate your IQ as a benchmark for voting or even for having reasonable debate.
Or perhaps looking closely at any of the other candidates would have a similar result ? (provided one has reasonable thinking ability of course...)
This link has been provided before and is a fair representation. The site is nonpartisan and hits all parties on their spin. LINK
If that is reasonable thinking ability I will pass. Kingsman-fan provided links with opposing views, perhaps you should check a few out before just accepting a denial ? Not to mention the TONS of info out there - don't be lazy. The denials have been rebutted so often that most simply do not bother anymore. Most denials take the form of "WE are NOT doing THAT", while not addressing the FACT that SOMEONE IS... Not to mention the other border fiasco issues such as REFUSAL to enforce valid laws of the land by the executive branch. Not to mention the "secret" meetings that Bush has had with the Canadian and Mexican leadership, or the agreements he entered into with them that circumvent the constitutional methods of making treaties. Not to mention the fact that Bush is simply continuing the direction established by Clinton, and by NAFTA. Not to mention that ALL of these items have synergy with the agendas of the globalist clique. Not to mention that the entire thing is playing out in a manner much like EU - "trade agreements", "understandings", "frameworks", unenforced "principals", put in place for later enforcement, everything becoming more and more entwined and next thing you know an unelected bunch of untouchables are imposing law and policy and ethics and morality on peoples that no longer have recourse. The EU was just a warm up for NAU, and it is being executed in exactly the same manner here. Please open your eyes and study RECENT history. It is repeating itself.
Also it is worth mentioning the prophecies of the Bible. Global government, global religion, and global economy, in the hands of evil, in the last days. Many have been observing the convergence of all three for quite some time. Judgment is imminent and all are guilty. Wisdom will repent and accept the salvation offered by Jesus before it is too late.
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/19/2008 9:59:58 AM
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I have seen that link and it is a joke, look into it. The 3 pionts are:
NAFTA Superhighway, he could not cut a $1 trillion per year, and Ronald Reagan.
NAFTA Superhighway. Look at this Link and this Link.
"Paul gets that figure by including a lot of domestic programs that he isn't planning to cut, like the U.S. Border Patrol and interest payments on the debt." It would be easy for him to cut out a $1 trillion per year, with just cuting 4 things: The war in Iraq, Health and Human Services, Office of personnel Management and the Department of Education. That's right he would not have to cut U.S. Border Patrol and interest payments on the debt, he would not even have to cut Department of Defense, Department of Labor, NASA, Department of Energy, Department of Commerce, Department of Housing and Urban Development and many, many more. It was a big lie. If you do not believe me look at the links Link 2nd Link
As for Ronald Reagan, that is easy I feel the same way. He was supposed to help things, but when he got in office he did not do what he said he would. But now looking back, he was so much better than all the junk we've had since.
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This link has been provided before and is a fair representation. The site is nonpartisan and hits all parties on their spin. LINK
L. Ron's proposals are way unrealistic unless you buy totally into Liberatrian and conspiracy theories. He would have to, in effect, become dictator to impose his will and suspend the constitution and dissolve Congress. Those may be things to fantasize about, but not a way to govern. Reading his mkanifestos and listening to his followers is like watching the latest Tom Cruise.
I did give him a serious look, but found him un-credible as a leader. That's why he is destined to be a footnote in 2008 political history.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/19/2008 10:41:24 AM
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Eventhough he is losing greatly. I just want to say I support Ron on the War and America's idea that they are the police of the world. But, can't support him on his stance not to go into Darfur. Genocide.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/19/2008 12:25:33 PM
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That's why he is destined to be a footnote in 2008 political history.
I have to agree with this conclusion, even if I disagree with how you got there.
Still, I flat out KNOW that the rest belong to* an organization which I BELIEVE to be traitorous to our sovereign nation and its constitution. Therefore there is only one vote I can cast in good conscience.
* with the exception of Huckabee, who is not a member, but hired the president for his campaign manager.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/19/2008 5:20:01 PM
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You are right and wrong at the same time. Ron Paul would have a hard time with Congress and others, and would not be able to do all the things he would like (Ron Paul is a smart man, he knows that) . But he could do one thing, veto every unconditional bill that came by (he would do it to, you know that). That one thing might save a $1 trillion. Also as President he would be commander in Chief of the Military, so he could bring them all home from the 700 Military bases around the World, yes out of all 130 Countries. Why do you think he talks so much about foreign policy. Because the President can do something about that.
I know you gave Ron Paul a serious look, you even liked him for a little. I remember you because of the German on your post, I am German so it caught my eye (maybe that is why I am such a bad speller ). I hope you can see my point, and by the way who is better then Paul?
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L. Ron's proposals are way unrealistic unless you buy totally into Liberatrian and conspiracy theories. He would have to, in effect, become dictator to impose his will and suspend the constitution and dissolve Congress. Those may be things to fantasize about, but not a way to govern. Reading his mkanifestos and listening to his followers is like watching the latest Tom Cruise.
I did give him a serious look, but found him un-credible as a leader. That's why he is destined to be a footnote in 2008 political history.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/19/2008 5:24:15 PM
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You are right and wrong at the same time. Ron Paul would have a hard time with Congress and others, and would not be able to do all the things he would like (Ron Paul is a smart man, he knows that) . But he could do one thing, veto every unconditional bill that came by (he would do it to, you know that). That one thing might save a $1 trillion. Also as President he would be commander in Chief of the Military, so he could bring them all home from the 700 Military bases around the World, yes out of all 130 Countries. Why do you think he talks so much about foreign policy. Because the President can do something about that.
I know you gave Ron Paul a serious look, you even liked him for a little. I remember you because of the German on your post, I am German so it caught my eye (maybe that is why I am such a bad speller ). I hope you can see my point, and by the way who is better then Paul?
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L. Ron's proposals are way unrealistic unless you buy totally into Liberatrian and conspiracy theories. He would have to, in effect, become dictator to impose his will and suspend the constitution and dissolve Congress. Those may be things to fantasize about, but not a way to govern. Reading his mkanifestos and listening to his followers is like watching the latest Tom Cruise.
I did give him a serious look, but found him un-credible as a leader. That's why he is destined to be a footnote in 2008 political history.
Don't know how the Germans do it, but Congress can override a veto. The President cannot just "bring everybody home and close the bases". Again, he cannot rule as dictator. It's been tried by the current bunch of scoundrels in the White House. Maybe he would have a better shot in Pakistan. Too late, they just had elections.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/19/2008 5:35:15 PM
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Darfur brakes my heart, but do you really want to go in there with more guns? Would it not be better to diplomaticly talk to them and ask them to splitting into 2 countries? And if you are talking about giving them money, would it not be better to help them in the name Christ instead of in the name of big Government (it is your money what name do you want glorified?).
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Eventhough he is losing greatly. I just want to say I support Ron on the War and America's idea that they are the police of the world. But, can't support him on his stance not to go into Darfur. Genocide.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/19/2008 5:49:13 PM
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I am German, but not in Gerany, I am an American (and Proud of It). And I do know Congress can override a veto, but the Dems will help him with the War, Patriot Act, National ID, Wiretapping and things like that. The Reps will side with him on Taxes, Abortion, Gun Control and things like that. So I think it would be hard for them to override a evry veto on all the bills. And I think the President can just "bring everybody home and close the bases" (it might take the Dems help). And after all Bush just goes to War.
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Don't know how the Germans do it, but Congress can override a veto. The President cannot just "bring everybody home and close the bases". Again, he cannot rule as dictator. It's been tried by the current bunch of scoundrels in the White House. Maybe he would have a better shot in Pakistan. Too late, they just had elections.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/19/2008 6:18:54 PM
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I am German, but not in Gerany, I am an American (and Proud of It). And I do know Congress can override a veto, but the Dems will help him with the War, Patriot Act, National ID, Wiretapping and things like that. The Reps will side with him on Taxes, Abortion, Gun Control and things like that. So I think it would be hard for them to override a evry veto on all the bills. And I think the President can just "bring everybody home and close the bases" (it might take the Dems help). And after all Bush just goes to War.
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Don't know how the Germans do it, but Congress can override a veto. The President cannot just "bring everybody home and close the bases". Again, he cannot rule as dictator. It's been tried by the current bunch of scoundrels in the White House. Maybe he would have a better shot in Pakistan. Too late, they just had elections.
First, the military-industrial complex has too much clout for a wholesale dismantling of overseas bases. The president cannot undue acts already passed by Congress. An amendment to the constitution (abortion) requires passage by two-thirds of the states. Bush did not "just go to war". He had to dupe enough members of congress and the public into funding it. Paul doesn't have anything close to the "charisma" (cough) that Bush has. Again, too much hoped to be legalized pot being smoked by the Paulistas.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/19/2008 7:09:31 PM
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You might just be right. But I would still much rather have a president who would try to do the right thing and follow the constitution. Even if he could not do much. I am sorry but your argument is not logical. Let him try, let him fight and if he can do nothing than it will be to bad, but if can? If the fact that I have some hope, that a man can still do some good makes you think I smoke pot, then so be it.
"There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free--if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! - Patrick Henry
I will fight for Freedom and the Constitution even if you say it has no hope.
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First, the military-industrial complex has too much clout for a wholesale dismantling of overseas bases. The president cannot undue acts already passed by Congress. An amendment to the constitution (abortion) requires passage by two-thirds of the states. Bush did not "just go to war". He had to dupe enough members of congress and the public into funding it. Paul doesn't have anything close to the "charisma" (cough) that Bush has. Again, too much hoped to be legalized pot being smoked by the Paulistas.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/20/2008 10:51:45 AM
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You might just be right. But I would still much rather have a president who would try to do the right thing and follow the constitution. Even if he could not do much. I am sorry but your argument is not logical. Let him try, let him fight and if he can do nothing than it will be to bad, but if can? If the fact that I have some hope, that a man can still do some good makes you think I smoke pot, then so be it.
"There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free--if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! - Patrick Henry
I will fight for Freedom and the Constitution even if you say it has no hope.
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First, the military-industrial complex has too much clout for a wholesale dismantling of overseas bases. The president cannot undue acts already passed by Congress. An amendment to the constitution (abortion) requires passage by two-thirds of the states. Bush did not "just go to war". He had to dupe enough members of congress and the public into funding it. Paul doesn't have anything close to the "charisma" (cough) that Bush has. Again, too much hoped to be legalized pot being smoked by the Paulistas.
Since he can't get elected President, then he should focus on getting reelected to Congress where he can actually do something.
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RE: Ron Paul seems to want to change the Constitution - 2/20/2008 1:07:37 PM
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I am with you on that one.
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Since he can't get elected President, then he should focus on getting reelected to Congress where he can actually do something.
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 2/20/2008 3:32:33 PM
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Ron Paul will continue the race for President!!!!
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Go Ron Paul!!!!!
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 2/21/2008 10:21:30 AM
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This is a cold posting as there are way too many pages.
I don't know everything about Ron Paul but what I did hear I liked, he just never had a chance. He is not even reported on the news anymore.
He needs to work on becoming more well known if he has plans for 2012.
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 2/21/2008 10:27:21 AM
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He wasn't ever reported on the news that much to begin with, because the news media doesn't like him. Can't find any dirt on him.
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RE: Ron Paul vows to press on - 2/21/2008 11:10:07 AM
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Can't find any dirt on him. I found enough to reject him.
Even posted it here in the threads.
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