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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 9:07:08 PM
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Speaking of which I just found out the other day that HHH is the head writer for the WWE.
HHH has been a writer in WWE for a while now. Vince still has the final say in everything.
I do like Booker T getting the title and that was a real good storyline.
I agree. It is a great storyline. One thing I'd love to see is for them to drop the whole "King Booker" mess. Booker T was more entertaining before that.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 9:10:51 PM
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I'd love to see someone as champ other than John Cena.
Problem is: who? Edge would be a good choice but he's the champ on Smackdown. Orton? He's pretty good in the ring and on the mic but champ (other than transitional)? I don't know. His behavior can be problematic as well. Booker T would be a good choice (very good charisma and good in the ring) but he is injury prone. Batista? Great non verbal charisma and great look but not good at all in the ring and his mic skills leave something to be desired. Kennedy: Haven't seen him and he is another injury case but the question isn't if he should be champ but when? He may need a bit more developing. Lashley: nah, needs more experience and overall improvement. Triple H and HBK of course but they are out right now and its a been there, done that deal. I don't think they would benefit from being a champ the same way Cena and Edge do.
Cena isn't the icon they hoped for but he may still be the best they can do right now.
I would love to see The Rock come back. He could do it. Or maybe the Undertaker. Right about now, I'd go for just about anyone but Cena. Some of the victories are just plain unbelievable.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/28/2007 9:12:56 PM
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I agree. It is a great storyline.
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One thing I'd love to see is for them to drop the whole "King Booker" mess. Booker T was more entertaining before that.
I agree, it was good for a bit as a laugh (which Booker is great at) but now its a straitjacket. Hopefully they will drop it with his move to Raw.
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Some of the victories are just plain unbelievable.
They are trying the same tact they did with Hogan & Austin (winning no matter what). It is definitely not working in Cena's case.
If The Rock would come back he would absolutely be the best choice. But I don't think he will aside from guest appearances. Jericho would be great too so I hope he comes back. He also doesn't get injured often best I recall (kinda like Cena in that regard). The Undertaker had a belt and had to give it up due to injury (to Edge). If they kept Christian he might have come up huge. He was riding a very high wave of popularity before he got drafted to Smackdown.
Top 3 choices for champ (among available people including the temporarily wounded):
1) Booker T: injury is the only concern here
2) Kennedy: another injury concern but a fresh face with a huge upside. May be too soon, the WWE too often flushes the future due to current concerns.
3) Triple H: has a championship aura about him and its been awhile since he has been champ. But again injuries but he seems to be able to have good long runs before getting injured again so give it to him quick.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/29/2007 2:24:02 AM
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Web Time Stamps Indicate Nancy Benoit's Death Reported on Web at Least 13 Hours Before Police Found Bodies in Her Home
Thursday, June 28, 2007
By Blane Bachelor
An anonymous user operating a computer traced to Stamford, Conn. — home to World Wrestling Entertainment — posted an entry to pro wrestler Chris Benoit's biography on Wikipedia.org announcing the death of his wife Nancy at least 13 hours before police in suburban Atlanta said they found her body along with her husband's and that of their 7-year-old son, FOXNews.com has learned.
Employees at Wikipedia.org said the posting went live on their site on Monday at 12:01 a.m. Eastern Standard Time. Police, however, said they found the bodies Monday at 2:30 p.m. EDT.
The posting reads: “Chris Benoit was replaced by [[Johnny Nitro]] for the ECW Championship match at Vengeance, as Benoit was not there due to personal issues, stemming from the death of his wife Nancy.” According to a Wikipedia.org report published after FOXNews.com made inquiries, the edit was reversed just under one hour later with the comment: CLICK ON LINK BELOW
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,287194,00.html
that's what I heard this evening. I don't know about everyone here, but it's enough to generate the most emotional, controversial conspiracy theory this side of JFK or 9-11 in pro-wrestling lore... or perhaps the infamous Montreal Screw(driver)job!
Off tangent, are you something of a wrestling fan brooklyn? I kinda have this weird hunch, though sometimes my hunches have been proven otherwise before  : or perhaps we're both very current events savvy here  .
But back on topic, upon hearing the Benoit's tragedy on Monday, it brought a lot of emotional issues for me, mainly my preoccupation of mortality, and what to do with this life with others especially. In regards to Chris Benoit, I have to say that he's one of my favorites, and just hearing about what has occurred left me devastated. I mean, if I can feel this emotional over a celebrity, imagine what will happen if someone much closer to me encounters a similar fate!
Yet still, with the mysterious Wikipedia entry, and the strange text messages, I'm speculating at best, could this be just another multi-million dollar 'kofabe' (sp?) angle, sort of like Orson Welles' Martian invasion radio broadcast, or perhaps Rich Little's April Fools' prank announcing Nixon's post-Watergate aspirations for running for president? I mean, in an industry where both the personal reality and the scripted acts seem to blur at such a morbid pace, I don't know if I can honestly sort out the messy confusions between the two, especially with pro-wrestling. It's so schizophrenic that I even a person such as myself (diagnosed with mild, but functioning schizophrenia) can be declared legally sane here!
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/29/2007 8:51:06 AM
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that's what I heard this evening. I don't know about everyone here, but it's enough to generate the most emotional, controversial conspiracy theory this side of JFK or 9-11 in pro-wrestling lore... or perhaps the infamous Montreal Screw(driver)job!
Yet still, with the mysterious Wikipedia entry, and the strange text messages, I'm speculating at best, could this be just another multi-million dollar 'kofabe' (sp?) angle, sort of like Orson Welles' Martian invasion radio broadcast, or perhaps Rich Little's April Fools' prank announcing Nixon's post-Watergate aspirations for running for president? I mean, in an industry where both the personal reality and the scripted acts seem to blur at such a morbid pace, I don't know if I can honestly sort out the messy confusions between the two, especially with pro-wrestling. It's so schizophrenic that I even a person such as myself (diagnosed with mild, but functioning schizophrenia) can be declared legally sane here!
I think the most likely scenario is that Benoit made the postings.
The IP was registered to Stamford- doesn't mean it had to physically be there. I would think it quite likely that the higher profile wrestlers & managers would have WWE laptops.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/29/2007 9:05:34 AM
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Did anyone see the stock report ? I think it was close to a $21 million loss yest. for Macahon after the story of Benoit . Looks like this may have a long term effect in more ways than 1 in the wrestling world.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/29/2007 11:13:39 AM
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Did anyone see the stock report ? I think it was close to a $21 million loss yest. for Macahon after the story of Benoit . Looks like this may have a long term effect in more ways than 1 in the wrestling world.
I highly doubt it. There have been other major tragedies in the WWE and other wrestling associations and they managed to come back. Even after the whole Owen Hart disaster. If anything, when something like this happens, it puts these associations under the public eye and they become more popular, because even those that hate it watch it so that they can keep up. Kinda like the whole Howard Stern thing.
If anything, the WWE is going the distance to try to keep this apart from them. Notice on their website now there is no mention to be found of Benoit?
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I would love to see The Rock come back. He could do it. Or maybe the Undertaker. Right about now, I'd go for just about anyone but Cena. Some of the victories are just plain unbelievable.
I really think we have seen the last of the Rock in a wrestling ring. Although it would be fantastic if he came back. The Undertake is Smackdown brand, so he won't be getting the belt, so maybe right now the only one that is a threat to Cena is Booker T. Boy, he's another one. At least he dropped the ridiculous british accent.
Although maybe Cena is only holding the title right now until HHH can come back and take it from him. It's going to be explosive when he returns in August. And the last time something like this happened he came in and took the championship. Cena wants to take off to make another WWE movie, so he's probably going to be losing the title very soon.
So here's my scenerio. Cena has a title defense match against Orton. Orton cheats and steals the win from Cena. Maybe gives him a "concussion." Orton holds the title until Summerslam. HHH returns and demands a match to get revenge on Orton for putting both him and HBK out of commission. Orton tries to give HHH a concussion with an RKO, HHH kicks out and delivers a Pedigree, defeats Orton and walks out of Summerslam the champion.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/29/2007 10:44:25 PM
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Here's the latest internet chatter that's adding fuel to the continually bizarre events yet to be explained over Benoit's murder-suicide--AND Sensational Sheri's death by unnatural causes:
http://newswax.com/2007/06/28/did-chris-benoit-murder-his-family-or-was-he-murdered/
I still don't know how to do weblinking, resorting only with a cut-paste-and-click option, but this latest 'conspiracy theory' should provide celebrity crime enthusiasts further questions for, *ahem* debate... Yeah, yeah; I know this looks far-fetched as anything found in your average Oliver Stone film, but I thought perhaps maybe it's for anyone even remotely interested in asking questions that at least needs to be addressed, somehow...
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/29/2007 10:46:17 PM
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ooops; on second thought, I think I know how to do weblinking!  But yeah, chalk it up to yet another urban legend awaiting for internet chatter...
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/29/2007 11:24:13 PM
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Here's the latest internet chatter that's adding fuel to the continually bizarre events yet to be explained over Benoit's murder-suicide--AND Sensational Sheri's death by unnatural causes:
Did anyone hear in a news report, other than wrestling websites, about Sherri Martel passing away before this week. I don't remember any mention of it. The last time I remember a wrestler mentioned in the news is when Owen Hart died. Now they are going back and mentioning everyone they can. I guess the media is loading up with all the ammo they can to bring wrestling down.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/29/2007 11:56:37 PM
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The last time I remember a wrestler mentioned in the news is when Owen Hart died.
There was media buzz when Eddie Guererro died but nowhere near this. All about the drugs he took and how it made the WWE look bad. I don't remember much about his recovery though. I think I remember Henning getting a mention as well.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/30/2007 12:07:53 AM
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There was media buzz when Eddie Guererro died but nowhere near this. All about the drugs he took and how it made the WWE look bad. I don't remember much about his recovery though. I think I remember Henning getting a mention as well.
I couldn't remember any on cnn or msnbc. But then again, I usually don't watch t.v. for the news.
I slept through most of Smackdown tonight. Did anything interesting happen? I did see Batista beat Edge.
what kind fo storylines are they gonna have next week? The big "who did it" story is out the window.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/30/2007 11:49:01 AM
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I think Sherri's death didn't make the news because it didn't look like anything unusual happened. She wasn't well known and was currently working behind the scenes- non-wrestling fans wouldn't have had an interest.
When someone kills their family (or a family is killed) it is news even if they aren't celebrities.
I actually was surprised that it took so long for the mainstream news to pick up the Benoit story, but I am guessing they were waiting for positive ID. It wasn't posted on CNN (I don't watch tv) until the next day and didn't make the top story until that evening (Paris Hilton's release from jail was apparently more newsworthy).
Several other high-profile deaths were reported in mainstream media as have been mentioned. But they aren't going to report every death of every wrestler or former wrestler. Just as they wouldn't report the death of everyone involved in football or movies, etc- they current, well known people or people involved in unusual deaths- yes, but not everyone.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/30/2007 1:33:13 PM
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A writer for SLAM sports (Canadian website) reminds us not to forget the victims of Chris Benoit, a murderer who happened to be a wrestler!! Nancy and Daniel should get alot more coverage...
FYI, Wrestlers that have died over the years:
Sherri Martel
The Von Erich Family
Bruiser Brody
Andre the Giant
Dino Bravo
Eddie Graham
"Gorgeous" Gino Hernandez
"Adorable" Adrian Adonis
"Flyin' " Brian Pillman
Louie "Spicolli" Mucciolo
Richard "Ravishing Rick Rude" Rood
Owen Hart
"The British Bulldog" (Davey Boy Smith)
Miss Elizabeth
Curt Hennig
Eddie Guerrero
Ed "The Bull" Gantner
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/30/2007 2:23:51 PM
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we were at the house show and the ppv that he was supposed to be at.... its really weird for us rite now because all we keep thinking is how we were complaining about him not being there while he was at home killing his family.... crazy
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/30/2007 5:19:51 PM
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I think Sherri's death didn't make the news because it didn't look like anything unusual happened. She wasn't well known and was currently working behind the scenes- non-wrestling fans wouldn't have had an interest.
When someone kills their family (or a family is killed) it is news even if they aren't celebrities
That was my point. Sherri was a former wrestler, not in the WWE anymore. The media is bringing up everything they can now to bring down the WWE. Why bring up her death 2 weeks later. It has nothing to do with the Benoit case. They ought to have enough respect for Sherri's family not to mention her as a related story to the Benoit story.
A lot of wrestlers use to use steriods, some probably still do. There have been several wrestlers suspended for their failed drug tests. RVD was suspended when he was WWE champion when he was arrested for drug possession. Kurt Angle was released from WWE partially because he was on pain killers.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/30/2007 7:37:35 PM
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I think Sherri's death didn't make the news because it didn't look like anything unusual happened. She wasn't well known and was currently working behind the scenes- non-wrestling fans wouldn't have had an interest.
When someone kills their family (or a family is killed) it is news even if they aren't celebrities
That was my point. Sherri was a former wrestler, not in the WWE anymore. The media is bringing up everything they can now to bring down the WWE. Why bring up her death 2 weeks later. It has nothing to do with the Benoit case. They ought to have enough respect for Sherri's family not to mention her as a related story to the Benoit story.
A lot of wrestlers use to use steriods, some probably still do. There have been several wrestlers suspended for their failed drug tests. RVD was suspended when he was WWE champion when he was arrested for drug possession. Kurt Angle was released from WWE partially because he was on pain killers.
I don't think the mainstream media are out to sabotage the WWE. It's just the story du jour...
While the deaths are probably not related, though, the stories are related. It probably is just a coincidence, but coincidence can be news.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 6/30/2007 8:45:40 PM
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Who is the next guy to challenge Edge and Cena?
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 7/1/2007 2:26:05 PM
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To challenge Cena, a good one would be Bobby Lashley. More believable would be Booker T. He's still called "King Booker" on the website, and I dearly wish they'd drop that nonsense.
The list of wrestlers to challenge Edge is even shorter. The only one that is believable to me would be Hardcore Holly. Maybe Mark Henry.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 7/1/2007 2:42:57 PM
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The list of wrestlers to challenge Edge is even shorter. The only one that is believable to me would be Hardcore Holly. Maybe Mark Henry.
I saw were Matt Hardy may get to have a run with Edge. Yea, the list is real short for SD.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 7/1/2007 3:00:02 PM
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The list of wrestlers to challenge Edge is even shorter. The only one that is believable to me would be Hardcore Holly. Maybe Mark Henry.
I saw were Matt Hardy may get to have a run with Edge. Yea, the list is real short for SD.
It is for that very reason that I think they need to drop the whole "seperate championship" issue and have ONE Heavyweight champ, ONE set of tag champs, ONE secondary (i.e. US or Intercontinental) champ, ONE Women's champ (with real women wrestlers for a change), and most importantly a lightweight championship that carries the same importance as the heavyweight. The very idea of Rey Mysterio as heavyweight champ was just silly. If they had put more emphasis on the lightweight (cruiserweight) title, it never would've happened.
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It is for that very reason that I think they need to drop the whole "seperate championship" issue and have ONE Heavyweight champ, ONE set of tag champs, ONE secondary (i.e. US or Intercontinental) champ, ONE Women's champ (with real women wrestlers for a change), and most importantly a lightweight championship that carries the same importance as the heavyweight. The very idea of Rey Mysterio as heavyweight champ was just silly. If they had put more emphasis on the lightweight (cruiserweight) title, it never would've happened.
I'll raise you one and say get rid of the separate brands. Drop the ECW or Smackdown show as 5 hours a week is too much wrestling from one organization, brands or not, the writing style and brain trust are still the same. There is now too little taent to go around as evidenced by how often wrestlers cross brands now.
Or how about this: make Smackdown a family friendly brand (I would change the show to an hour Saturday morning slot but I don't pay the bills). Smackdown would be a smaller brand like ECW. Raw would be the WWE brand and these two would be offshoots. Then make ECW really extreme (not like the old ECW but not like WWE with an extra side of violence either) and then you have the main fed and two lesser brands with focus instead of two main brands that are very similar and a third brand that siphons talent from the two full fledged brands.
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a lightweight championship that carries the same importance as the heavyweight
I can't see that. Even TNA's X division title takes a backseat to the heavyweight title, just not as much as other "lightweight" titles. But building the cruiserweight / lightweight / little man / flying guy / X division / whatever title is obviously a good idea. I just think fans like to see bigger guys, obviously Vince thinks so.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 7/1/2007 3:54:50 PM
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Has someone here seen or heard of the promotion(s) Ring of Honor? Maybe Pro Wrestling Guerrilla? If so, I have inventory that may spark some interest.
I am dire need of ridding of one of the biggest burdens on my heart, and that's wrestling. I discontinued watching wrestling in mid 2006 due to personal decisions, spiritual condition and all that jazz. Therefore, I am willing to speak with anyone who is interested in, mostly independent, wrestling DVDs.
No, I'm not looking to make a profit from another companies product. Just to clear the air.
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 7/1/2007 11:20:05 PM
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a lightweight championship that carries the same importance as the heavyweight
I can't see that. Even TNA's X division title takes a backseat to the heavyweight title, just not as much as other "lightweight" titles. But building the cruiserweight / lightweight / little man / flying guy / X division / whatever title is obviously a good idea. I just think fans like to see bigger guys, obviously Vince thinks so.
Although the X Division title isn't officially a lightweight title considering that the current champ is Samoa Joe who weighs 280 lbs (though I think he's the only heavyweight X Division champ they've had, correct me if I'm wrong).
I agree that they should have just one main title that can be defended on all shows though I don't necessarily have a problem with seperate secondary titles. My reasoning for this is that there seems to be only a few main event stars that could make good champions where they seem to be able to slap the secondary titles on any Joe Schmo that steps into a ring (i.e. current Intercontinental champ Santino Marella. They either need to find a storyline for him or give the title to someone else like Kennedy or Carlito).
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RE: Professional Wrestling Thread - 7/2/2007 10:08:06 AM
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Benoit wrestle hold killed son
By SIMON ROTHSTEIN of THE LILSBOYS
July 02, 2007
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WRESTLER Chris Benoit murdered his seven-year-old son with his WWE finishing move, police have said.
Cops in Georgia are speculating that Benoit, 40, ended Daniel's life with a version of the Crippler Crossface hold the morning after strangling his wife Nancy, 43, to death. Later that day Benoit committed suicide.
The Crippler Crossface was a move Benoit used in almost all his wrestling matches, including when he beat Triple H for the heavyweight title at WrestleMania XX.
Police were originally confused by bruising on the young lad that wouldn't have been there had he been strangled.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2003560001-2007300340,00.html
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