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His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.

These are the people that Israel has treated "badly" for 75 years:

Muslims conquer persia, 639-651
Muslims take Jerusalem, 638
Muslim invasion of spain, 711
Battle of tours, Muslims attempt to invade France 732

Why is it that when people start saying we need to look at the history of the conflict they only look back to when Israel began fighting back.

Is this really the limited scope of your understanding of the history of the world religions and the conflicts they enter in to? Or is it only in vogue to point out the military aggression of Islam and neglect the atrocities committed by the Christian crusaders?

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His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.

These are the people that Israel has treated "badly" for 75 years:

Muslims conquer persia, 639-651
Muslims take Jerusalem, 638
Muslim invasion of spain, 711
Battle of tours, Muslims attempt to invade France 732

Why is it that when people start saying we need to look at the history of the conflict they only look back to when Israel began fighting back.

Is this really the limited scope of your understanding of the history of the world religions and the conflicts they enter in to? Or is it only in vogue to point out the military aggression of Islam and neglect the atrocities committed by the Christian crusaders?

Well when everyone points to the crusades and uses that as part of a justification for why the Islam hates the west and Christianity, I believe that it is only fair for people to respond with pointing out Islamic actions before the crusades took place. People who are ignorant of history who try to point at the crudades or Israel today (esspecialy the years of 1948 and 1967) as justification for the muslems are guilty of their own extream bias.

Is YOUR scope of understanding so small that you can not see that Islam is NOT a religion of peace, and they have been aggressivly attacking other nations, WITH OUT justification since BEFORE the crusades ever happened!

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His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.

These are the people that Israel has treated "badly" for 75 years:

Muslims conquer persia, 639-651
Muslims take Jerusalem, 638
Muslim invasion of spain, 711
Battle of tours, Muslims attempt to invade France 732

Why is it that when people start saying we need to look at the history of the conflict they only look back to when Israel began fighting back.

Is this really the limited scope of your understanding of the history of the world religions and the conflicts they enter in to? Or is it only in vogue to point out the military aggression of Islam and neglect the atrocities committed by the Christian crusaders?

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His emphasis on what is happening today was supposed to sweep Israel's responsibility for some of the events over the last 75 years under the rug or something, since "clearly" Israel is only focused on peace today while the Palestinians are clearly the aggressors.

These are the people that Israel has treated "badly" for 75 years:

Muslims conquer persia, 639-651
Muslims take Jerusalem, 638
Muslim invasion of spain, 711
Battle of tours, Muslims attempt to invade France 732

Why is it that when people start saying we need to look at the history of the conflict they only look back to when Israel began fighting back.

Is this really the limited scope of your understanding of the history of the world religions and the conflicts they enter in to? Or is it only in vogue to point out the military aggression of Islam and neglect the atrocities committed by the Christian crusaders?

It is most certainly not the scope of my understanding, it is simply a counter point to the even more limited point about Israel's actions for the last 45 years or the crusades being used to justify Muslim agression towards Israel and the West. It was meant to point out how some like to conveniently forget about one side of the issue or the other. We can hand pick "proof" of this or that all day long and accomplish nothing. But the dates presented above do make it a little harder to see Islam as the religion of peace since it has been a conquering force since day one.

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But, I am a liberal...[;)]

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In the tape, Schalit also called on the government to meet Palestinian demands for a large-scale prisoner swap, "especially since I was in the middle of military service, on a military operation and I was not a drug dealer" - probably said in reference to Elhanan Tannenbaum, who was abducted by Hizbullah and released as part of a prisoner exchange deal in 2004 and subsequently admitted that he had entered Lebanon to conduct a drug deal.

"Just as I have parents, a mother and father, the thousands of Palestinian prisoners have mothers and fathers to whom their sons must be returned," he said. "I have a great hope from my government that it show more interest in me and meet the demands of the mujahideen (captors,)" he said.

Schalit's father, Noam, listened to the tape on Channel 2 television, asking the station to play it a second time for the soldier's mother to hear. He said it appeared that the statement was coerced.

"We want somebody independent to see him, to examine him and the conditions under which he is held, his medical condition of course and his mental (state.)"

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In the short tape, which has the title Alan's Appeal, Mr Johnston warns that the explosives will be detonated if an attempt is made to free him by force.

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And yet another kidnap victim...
Kidnapped Journalist In 'Bomb Belt' Video

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In the short tape, which has the title Alan's Appeal, Mr Johnston warns that the explosives will be detonated if an attempt is made to free him by force.

"Alan's Appeal" Yes, they're even giving titles to the tapes they release now.

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“Murderous terrorists!’ he exploded, as in what the Associated Press called “an uncharacteristically fiery speech” he employed a word which research could well show has never passed over his tongue before in reference to his own people.

What finally got to him?

According to reports, Abbas had obtained undeniable evidence that Hamas, the Islamist group that last week drove him out of the Gaza Strip, had meant the bomb for him, planning to kill him Beirut style.

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Recognition for the Silent Jewish Refugees
By Andrew G. Bostom
Summary


The bicameral Congressional Human Rights Caucus (CHRC) will hold a landmark hearing on Thursday July 19th regarding the hundreds of thousands of Jews forced to flee their communities in the Arab Muslim nations as a result of the Arab-Israeli conflict. Oriental Jews suffered profound violations of their basic human rights under the Islamic regimes throughout North Africa, the Middle East and the Gulf Region.

This persecution -- including pogroms and expropriations -- caused their subsequent flight despite longtime residences in these countries. The two decades following World War II witnessed a rapid dissolution of the major Jewish communities in the Arab Muslim world (and beyond, including Afghanistan, as well as the significant attrition of the Jewish population in Turkey). Even the first decade after World War II saw a reduction by half in the overall Jewish population of the Arab countries.

The July 19, 2007 congressional hearing on Jewish refugees has an immediate, practical goal of providing US legislators with preliminary information before voting on House Resolution 185 and Senate Resolution 85. Under the proposed legislation, the US president would be required to instruct all official representatives of the United States that "explicit reference to Palestinian refugees be matched by a similar explicit reference to Jewish and other refugees, as a matter of law and equity." The historical legacy of this mass Jewish exodus elucidates the bare minimum equity provided in these resolutions. This Thursday's CHRC hearings provide a unique window on the legacy of dhimmitude and Islamic antisemitism which caused the tragic exodus of some 900,000 Jews from the Arab (and non-Arab Muslim) nations, liquidating most of these ancient communities.

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July 21, 2007
Why Does the Left Hate Israel?
By Richard Baehr
An American Thinker Classic

For decades, most American Jews have believed there were far greater threats from the fringe right than the fringe left in this country. While this view may have been reasonable in the past, it is certainly not so today. The fringe right still exists— the neo—Nazis in Northwest Idaho, Matthew Hale, and David Duke, and the remnants of the KKK. But the views of the fringe right have been marginalized by their repudiation by virtually all mainstream elements on the political right.



The fringe left, on the other hand, has evolved into a broader left, and become more mainstream. The political perspective of this new left is vehemently anti—Israel, and the power and reach of this movement represent a real threat to Israel, and by extension to Jews who support Israel.


What is the Left?


The left does not mean the Democratic Party in Congress. When pro—Israel resolutions come before the Congress, due in part to the extraordinary efforts of AIPAC [America Israel Public Affairs Committee], a very high percentage of both Democrats and Republicans vote a solidly pro—Israel agenda. There are some small differences between the parties, however, especially in the House. In particular, the support for Israel among African American Congressmen, all Democrats, has dropped in recent years. However, the defeat in the 2002 cycle of Cynthia McKinney, and Earl Hilliard, two members who were hostile to Israel, and the election to their seats of Denise Majettte and Arthur Davis, has put two highly visible, very pro—Israel African Americans into the Congress.