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Qtman -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/13/2007 9:20:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AmericanTenor

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ORIGINAL: DBMurrray

Dan,
While I completely understand your frustration at hearing someone react to what you do in a negative manner, it seems to me you're advocating a "rose colored glasses" sort of attitude among the fans and bloggers who speak out in public. I don't think that's a good thing for this industry at all. It creates huge egos in many cases.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not getting that same feeling from what you're saying. I'm hearing, "Bloggers should just shut up," rather than, "There are more polite ways to offer constructive criticism than this."


DB,

I don't believe anyone should "shut up". My only point is there are other acceptable ways to give your opinions other than the way Joseph was done, more than once.

The exausting part is the ones who portray themselves as "experts", when they do not or have not made the sacrifices people like Joseph makes on a daily basis.

Go ahead, give your opinions, by all means, speak freely, but please consider how your words will feel to the ones they hurt.

As for "Rose Colored Glasses" "yeah, I have a response.........WHAT???" ....Said the Caveman.


I am glad you are a part of Southern Gospel also. I am also glad you decided to become a part of these forums. I agree 100% with what you said. I've been trying to get the same point across for a while. That is everyone is entitled to their opinion. Its all in the way it is stated. Daniel, Adam and dbmurray all have blogs and I have read some of them and they always state things much differently that the blogger in question. Like it or not, there are a lot of people that read what is written and accept it as fact. Therefore, these people have a responsibility to be fair and impartial and if it is opinion state that and not leave it hanging out there as fact. You can critique a concert, good points and bad, without attacking the artist personally. By the way this is just my opinion.



querty -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/13/2007 9:10:54 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Kingsmen-fan

I can't agree with you on this, artists have a lot of work they might not have time to personally call chit-chat with 200 or 300 fans (friends). Even I have friends I only talk to 2 or 3 times a year (but they are still my friends[:D])

P.S. Sometimes a artists knows a face but will not know the name.




That my friend, is what is called an acquaintance.



Smokymtnsanta -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/13/2007 10:08:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: querty

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ORIGINAL: Kingsmen-fan

I can't agree with you on this, artists have a lot of work they might not have time to personally call chit-chat with 200 or 300 fans (friends). Even I have friends I only talk to 2 or 3 times a year (but they are still my friends[:D])

P.S. Sometimes a artists knows a face but will not know the name.




That my friend, is what is called an acquaintance.

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That my friend, is what is called an acquaintance.



I would beg to differ about this being only an acquaintance. I have a lot of people that I only talk to occasionally, including SG artists, and I certainly consider them friends. You don't have to talk to someone every week for them to be friends. That is my humble opinion.
Santa



danielmount -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 6:15:28 AM)

Let me throw this question out there:

Outside of Southern Gospel circles, just how often do you have to talk to someone to consider them a friend?

In my case, if I have a lot in common with someone--say we've been through a memorable event (i.e., tough political campaign) together, or we used to attend church with them for years--then I don't have to talk to them every day to consider them a friend.

Not a mere acquaintance, a friend.

I probably have 150-200 people I consider friends (counting all the members of big families!), and another 400-500 people I recognize and consider acquaintances.

And this isn't counting Southern Gospel artists. (By the way, there are 5 or fewer SG artists that I consider friends--not close friends/best friends, but still friends.)



mm80 -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 7:46:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: danielmount

Let me throw this question out there:

Outside of Southern Gospel circles, just how often do you have to talk to someone to consider them a friend?

In my case, if I have a lot in common with someone--say we've been through a memorable event (i.e., tough political campaign) together, or we used to attend church with them for years--then I don't have to talk to them every day to consider them a friend.

Not a mere acquaintance, a friend.

I probably have 150-200 people I consider friends (counting all the members of big families!), and another 400-500 people I recognize and consider acquaintances.

And this isn't counting Southern Gospel artists. (By the way, there are 5 or fewer SG artists that I consider friends--not close friends/best friends, but still friends.)


According to Merriam Webster you are acquaintances.

Main Entry: ac·quain·tance
Pronunciation: &-'kwAn-t&n(t)s
Function: noun
1 a : the state of being acquainted b : personal knowledge : FAMILIARITY
2 a : the persons with whom one is acquainted <should auld acquaintance be forgot -- Robert Burns> b : a person whom one knows but who is not a particularly close friend <a casual acquaintance>



Qtman -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 8:29:52 AM)

A friend can not be define in a dictionary. It can only be truly defined in the heart. I agree with Santa and Daniel I have friends that I only see and speak to ocassionaly but if they called with a need I would be there for them. I have family that I only see once or twice a year are they no longer family because I don't see them every day. I have never met Daniel or Santa other than on these forums but I consider them friends. Just MHO



DeeAnnBailey -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 8:41:29 AM)

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ORIGINAL: qtman

A friend can not be define in a dictionary. It can only be truly defined in the heart. I agree with Santa and Daniel I have friends that I only see and speak to ocassionaly but if they called with a need I would be there for them. I have family that I only see once or twice a year are they no longer family because I don't see them every day. I have never met Daniel or Santa other than on these forums but I consider them friends. Just MHO


I read this somewhere once 'a friend is defined by the heart' don't know who said it but I like it. I have friends both in the business and outside of it that I only speak with occasionally but those conversations are wonderful times of catching up and renewing the joy friendship brings.

I know a lot of folks in SGM, several of them know me, some of them I call friend and some of them call me friend. I don't consider everyone I have ever met or seen in concert to be a friend. I don't even consider everyone that I have seen in concert a LOT to be a friend. They are close acquantances. But those who call me friend and I call friend are those that share prayer requests, funny stories and private jokes that other folks wouldn't get because they weren't at a particular place or time.

I've had artists in my home to eat, relax or even stay when the need arose. Some of those were friends, some were friends of friends and some were just needing food or a place and I happend to be there.



querty -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 10:00:30 AM)

So, when this 'friend' doesnt know your name, are they still considered your friend? They may be your friend, but is it reciprocated? Shouldnt a friendship be a 2 way street?



Qtman -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 10:15:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: querty

So, when this 'friend' doesnt know your name, are they still considered your friend? They may be your friend, but is it reciprocated? Shouldnt a friendship be a 2 way street?


My name is Sam. Now that you know that can we be friends?



querty -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 10:19:17 AM)

My name is Vern, and yes, if you are buying lunch. ;)



Qtman -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 10:21:15 AM)

I'm sure glad we got that settled. You show up in Montgomery Alabama about 11:30 and I will most certainly buy lunch.[:D]



DeeAnnBailey -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 10:43:32 AM)

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ORIGINAL: querty

So, when this 'friend' doesnt know your name, are they still considered your friend? They may be your friend, but is it reciprocated? Shouldnt a friendship be a 2 way street?


I'm not sure who you are replying to there but if they didn't know my name I assure you I would not be feeding them dinner and they wouldn't be staying at my house. [:D]

Seriously I understand what you are saying, but I think what some others are saying is there are levels of friendship and depending on the level how close the friendship is. Not everyone who feels 'close' to an artist is actually a personal friend. Much like in the work force you have business friendships but they aren't folks you spend free time with. There is still a level of friendship but not the 'setting up the grill on Friday night' kind.

And depending on the circumstances there are times when we are called to be a friend when the other person doesn't meet that same 'burden'.



Smokymtnsanta -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 10:43:41 AM)

Most SG artists do not know my name but they call me Santa just the same and I do consider them friends and I think they would call me a friend. I get called Santa most of the time. That is how they got to know me. So knowing someone's name is not necessary to be a friend in my opinion.



DeeAnnBailey -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 10:53:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Smokymtnsanta

Most SG artists do not know my name but they call me Santa just the same and I do consider them friends and I think they would call me a friend. I get called Santa most of the time. That is how they got to know me. So knowing someone's name is not necessary to be a friend in my opinion.


I think you might be surprised how many do know your name even if they call you Santa and I know that many of them call you friend![:)]



libbistuffle -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 11:30:17 AM)

Thank you all for your comments good or bad. We're just reminded that we are blessed to
be a part of Gospel music. I am reminded in the bible that Jesus Christ himself was not
accepted by many of His own people, they even cried CRUCIFY HIM! Are we any better than our Savior? NO! We are in no way comparing ourselves to the Lord, but understand that when you do
a work for the Lord, not everyone is gonna like it. The devil will try to destroy and tear down, but we will continue to tell the old, old story of Jesus and His love in song. We will continue to do it in the
manner that we have been doing it and that is with respect to OUR Lord. Our prayer on our bus is
for God to make us invisable, so all the people see is HIM and not us. When you see HIM high and
lifted up, You've seen the greatest of ALL!!

Now with that being said, there's a lost world out there that needs someone to show and tell them
about Jesus Christ and what he can do for them, will YOU take the time to tell them about HIM? For in the end none of this blog stuff or people's opinion is gonna matter. What about the lost souls that are dying and going to hell while we waste time with all this other stuff?

Under Grace!!!
Libbi Perry Stuffle
The Perrys
Romans 8:18



Dinana -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 11:31:31 AM)

Thanks, Libbi. Well said!



Smokymtnsanta -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 11:39:03 AM)

Thanks Libbi. You said it just right. God knows what is in the heart. God Bless!
Santa



Qtman -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 11:42:50 AM)

Very well put. I was wondering if you might be lurking on these threads. Welcome and please continue to post as you can. And you are right I would hate for Jesus to return and find us arguing about trivial matters.



LissaJo -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 12:38:43 PM)

I have listened to the Perry's for years. More often in the last 7-8 years than ever. In my preference to Quartets, the Perrys are one of the very few mixed groups I actually listen to.
I absolutely loved Loren Harris with the Perrys, I thought (still do) that he was an awesome vocalist.

I will admit, when I learned of Joseph's move from baritone to lead upon Loren's departure, then the hiring of Nick, I was a little sceptical... that is until I heard them!

To me, the sound is more balanced, with Loren, you had the three powerhouse vocals Loren, Joseph, and Libbi... and at times, you weren't sure (when listening to the whole group) "who to listen to"...

Now, as great as I think Nick is, Joseph and Libbi are definitely the "powerhouse" vocalists. But with Nick in there, the sound is more balanced, and the overall blend is much better. Now what I am saying is strictly my opinion, which is just that, my opinion. Many may share it, many will not... Just wanted to state it.

More than that, the comments that were made of Joseph's ego... I want to say this...
Since his move to lead, I have (personally) seen a dramatic change in Joseph Habedank. I am not saying that he had ego issues before, but since the move, he has become like a different person -- IN A GOOD WAY! The last couple times I have seen them, he has been more sensitive to God's moving, to the needs/reactions of the audience, and he has been (in my opinion) so much more humble! He seems to have really "grown up" a lot (versus before the move) in the last several months.

My last comment is this:
I may have missed something here, but in reading the article, I never saw where any of his comments were derived from personal experience with the artist in question.
I saw where a lot of his comments were relying on the reports of friends, and email, but I never saw where he said he had seen this group/artist live.
Again - I could have easily just not seen this, so if I am wrong, please forgive me....



youngartist -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 12:42:19 PM)

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ORIGINAL: libbistuffle

Thank you all for your comments good or bad. We're just reminded that we are blessed to
be a part of Gospel music. I am reminded in the bible that Jesus Christ himself was not
accepted by many of His own people, they even cried CRUCIFY HIM! Are we any better than our Savior? NO! We are in no way comparing ourselves to the Lord, but understand that when you do
a work for the Lord, not everyone is gonna like it. The devil will try to destroy and tear down, but we will continue to tell the old, old story of Jesus and His love in song. We will continue to do it in the
manner that we have been doing it and that is with respect to OUR Lord. Our prayer on our bus is
for God to make us invisable, so all the people see is HIM and not us. When you see HIM high and
lifted up, You've seen the greatest of ALL!!

Now with that being said, there's a lost world out there that needs someone to show and tell them
about Jesus Christ and what he can do for them, will YOU take the time to tell them about HIM? For in the end none of this blog stuff or people's opinion is gonna matter. What about the lost souls that are dying and going to hell while we waste time with all this other stuff?

Under Grace!!!
Libbi Perry Stuffle
The Perrys
Romans 8:18


Libbi, I appreciate your interest in what is being said via the web. I also appreciate your ability to "sift out" the unprecendented negativity of some bloggers. We love you guys and realize it has nothing to do with you or us. It's all about Him. [:)]



Qtman -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 12:48:03 PM)

I just remembered something about the post on Joseph that has now struck me as funny. Its the thing about the hanky showing in his hand. I always had a hanky in my hand when on stage. Not for show but whether you know it or not it may be comfortable temperature wise in the audience but it is much warmer up on stage. I used the hanky to wipe the sweat off my face. Nothing spiritual just hot and sweaty.[:D]



danielmount -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 12:59:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: qtman

I just remembered something about the post on Joseph that has now struck me as funny. Its the thing about the hanky showing in his hand. I always had a hanky in my hand when on stage. Not for show but whether you know it or not it may be comfortable temperature wise in the audience but it is much warmer up on stage. I used the hanky to wipe the sweat off my face. Nothing spiritual just hot and sweaty.[:D]


And here's the odd part. Back a few years ago, Avery was OK with Joe's hanky.[;)]



danielmount -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 1:03:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mm80

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ORIGINAL: danielmount

Let me throw this question out there:

Outside of Southern Gospel circles, just how often do you have to talk to someone to consider them a friend?

In my case, if I have a lot in common with someone--say we've been through a memorable event (i.e., tough political campaign) together, or we used to attend church with them for years--then I don't have to talk to them every day to consider them a friend.

Not a mere acquaintance, a friend.

I probably have 150-200 people I consider friends (counting all the members of big families!), and another 400-500 people I recognize and consider acquaintances.

And this isn't counting Southern Gospel artists. (By the way, there are 5 or fewer SG artists that I consider friends--not close friends/best friends, but still friends.)


According to Merriam Webster you are acquaintances.

Main Entry: ac·quain·tance
Pronunciation: &-'kwAn-t&n(t)s
Function: noun
1 a : the state of being acquainted b : personal knowledge : FAMILIARITY
2 a : the persons with whom one is acquainted <should auld acquaintance be forgot -- Robert Burns> b : a person whom one knows but who is not a particularly close friend <a casual acquaintance>


There has been so much in the way of defining "acquaintance." To me, that is such a cold, almost unhappy word. I use it for someone who I know who is not a friend.

But you know what? Nobody has bothered to pull out the dictionary and define "friend." According to the Random House dictionary:

Main entry: Friend

1. a person attached to another by feelings of affection or personal regard.
2. a person who gives assistance; patron; supporter: friends of the Boston Symphony.
3. a person who is on good terms with another; a person who is not hostile: Who goes there? Friend or foe?
4. a member of the same nation, party, etc.
5. (initial capital letter) a member of the Religious Society of Friends; a Quaker.

And under definitions 1 through 4, I call several artists friends. The artists I call friends know my name, recognize me at concerts, and like me / do not dislike me.[:)] There are a few who know my phone number and give me a call from time to time. I initiate emails; I let them initiate calls, even though I know their phone number. And I know several who do, both local and national artists.

I think under any of the definitions except #5, for the Quakers, I am justified in calling these artists friends.



Qtman -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 1:04:22 PM)

I just don't know about that hanky. It is hard to stand up there and sing with a smile when sweat is running down your face and stinging your eyes.[:D] I rather see the hanky. And as far the little hop the beloved Glen Payne perfected it and noone complained.



danielmount -> RE: Joseph Habedank (5/14/2007 1:06:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: qtman

I just don't know about that hanky. It is hard to stand up there and sing with a smile when sweat is running down your face and stinging your eyes.[:D] I rather see the hanky. And as far the little hop the beloved Glen Payne perfected it and noone complained.


Yep!

And Vestal Goodman and Gerald Wolfe have both made effective use of hankys, too.



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