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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/14/2008 6:50:49 AM
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TheoJunkie
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It never ceases to amaze me how God continually puts me in the fellowship of individuals who
have exactly the right experience to help myself and my family. I am just astounded and stand in awe to His attention to detail.
Praise God!
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/14/2008 6:56:33 AM
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I guess I'm just not sure what Reformed theology means. I have been in the doctrinal debate threads and have debated the free for Grace ideology, yet don't totally agree with the Holiness doctrine in its entirety either. So what does that make someone? I am confused. I grew up a strict Southern Baptist, went wayward for twenty yrs, rejecting church of any kind and settled into non-denom. While even now I can't seem to agree with my pastor 100%. Do or will we ever find a church setting that we totally agree with? I am resined to believe what the Bible says without person belief systems being added. But then again I suppose I can't really do that either because what I believe is my own personal beliefs.......Advice, suggestions?
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/14/2008 8:26:18 AM
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I guess I'm just not sure what Reformed theology means. I have been in the doctrinal debate threads and have debated the free for Grace ideology, yet don't totally agree with the Holiness doctrine in its entirety either. So what does that make someone? I am confused. I grew up a strict Southern Baptist, went wayward for twenty yrs, rejecting church of any kind and settled into non-denom. While even now I can't seem to agree with my pastor 100%. Do or will we ever find a church setting that we totally agree with? I am resined to believe what the Bible says without person belief systems being added. But then again I suppose I can't really do that either because what I believe is my own personal beliefs.......Advice, suggestions?
DD, it is not about church, or denominations, or doctrines, or theology. It is very possible to be going to the perfect church that is part of the perfect denomination, and to understand all doctrine and theology perfectly...and to still miss the Truth. Because the Truth is a person, and His name is Jesus Christ.
You may not be aware of this but...you are exactly what God wants in and from us already. You have a heart that is open to the Truth, and a teachable spirit. God Himself is in you working to bring you into an ever closer relationship with Him.
How that will work out in a practical way in your physical life, I cannot say...and neither can you. But I do know that God works everything together for our good, and I am sure that includes you.
I am aware you consider me a heretic, but God can even use a heretic, can't He? 
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/14/2008 9:04:26 AM
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As for me, here is what it comes down to. God chose man or man chose God. Believe it or not, many years ago, I used to actually think that man chose God. However, I realized this was not the case after carefully reading Genesis through Revelations. The bible reveals that God is and always has been sovereign over all creation. I believe that we were chosen by God before the foundations of this world, for His eternal glory.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/14/2008 11:07:33 AM
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My new chemo treatments seem to be working. The weeks of treatments I feel like death warmed over, but this week I have had more energy and have felt better than in months.
Dove! i haven't been in this thread in months, and of course, with it being very long, I only read back a little bit, mainly glancing here and there....
So now, I learn you are getting chemo???
So is my daughter. This sure snuck up and attacked us from the blind side. She isn't feeling all that well this morning after her Monday chemo, but we are going walking anyway before I go to work.
I am praying for you, too.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/14/2008 11:30:06 AM
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As for me, here is what it comes down to. God chose man or man chose God. Believe it or not, many years ago, I used to actually think that man chose God. However, I realized this was not the case after carefully reading Genesis through Revelations. The bible reveals that God is and always has been sovereign over all creation. I believe that we were chosen by God before the foundations of this world, for His eternal glory.
Dear faithful,
Yes, I am aware of this belief. And what it comes down to (at least in my understanding) is that before the foundations of the world, God chose in His eternal plan to choose some, and damn others. And in the final analysis, there is nothing anyone can do about it. So even if one "thinks" himself to be a child of God, and may even at a certain point in his life desire to know God and live for him, God can arbitrarily damn him if that is His choice.
And as for the one who has been chosen by God, in the final analysis, it matters not how he/she lives in reality, because in reality if he/she is "chosen" by God, there is nothing that he/she can do to change that. So it is, I believe, that the very nature and definition of sin is insignificant. For before one is regenerated, they are punished for their sin. But after regeneration, they are no longer punished for their sin, since they are chosen. They are going to Heaven, destined for Heaven, regardless of any serious sin they might commit.
As far as holiness doctrine is concerned, I am not in complete adherance to all of the Wesleyan doctrines. However, I do believe in their teaching that "one must endure to the end to be saved." All the admonitions in Scripture instructing us how we should live and fight the fight of the faith are not there for no reason. Our manner of living should directly correspond to the faith we profess.
I am very much in "suspended animation" as regards finding a faith community with which to worship. Most of the churches around here are OSAS and both my husband and I cannot attend a church that believes this way - our consciences will not permit it.
So right now we are what you would call "churchless." But I pray often that God will lead us to a faith community with whom we can pray, worship and serve the Lord.
Heavendweller
P.S.:BTW faithful, I'm puzzled somewhat that you don't believe in the Trinity. Having known Reformed folk, attended a Reformed Church for 10 years, and reading Reformed material, I know that Reformed theology strictly believes in the Trinity. Unless I am mistaken and it is someone with a similar name on this forum other than you. BTW, James White a well-known Reformed theologian and debater, has written a book called "The Forgotten Trinity."
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/14/2008 2:03:16 PM
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faithfulservant1, my apologies, the bold caused me to misread your intent and think you were angrily in support of McLeod. My post has been deleted.
Still, people that drop in should understand this is not a thread or even a folder to attack Reformed Theology.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/14/2008 8:08:43 PM
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So is my daughter. This sure snuck up and attacked us from the blind side. She isn't feeling all that well this morning after her Monday chemo, but we are going walking anyway before I go to work.
Covaan, I'm very sorry to hear this news. I try very hard not to challengy myself physically until I gradually recover from chemo. It can take me 4-5 days before feeling and thinking more normal after this current treatment. Other treatments took only 2-3 days. I encourage your daughter to allow her body to heal. This is very potent drugs and it amazes me how it affects my whole body. God bless.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/15/2008 10:21:07 AM
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I get asked this question many times because of my belief in God's Sovereignty:
("It is not fair that God chose His people.")
Well, I can make the same argument for my Lord Jesus Christ. It is not fair that Jesus Christ chose to come down from heaven to be (mocked, beaten, and crucified) by men.
I don't believe that is fair............
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/15/2008 10:27:25 AM
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I get asked this question many times because of my belief in God's Sovereignty:
("It is not fair that God chose His people.")
Well, I can make the same argument for my Lord Jesus Christ. It is not fair that Jesus Christ chose to come down from heaven to be (mocked, beaten, and crucified) by men.
I don't believe that is fair............
Yet those same people think nothing at all about chosing the person they choose to love and marry as opposed to the rest of the planet. And while they may have a soft spot in their hearts for small children in general, they consider the welfare of their own child above others.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/15/2008 11:33:51 AM
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In case you haven't heard... there is a movie coming out April 18, starring Ben Stein ("Buehler.... Buehler..."), called "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed"...
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/
... about the scientific community's squelching of heretical thoughts that God might have had something to do with anything. (Sort of like the church refusing to allow discussion of a round earth, back in the day... but now the pendulum has swung to the other side).
Unfortunately, the wrong people are going to the movie.
I haven't been able to see it yet. 
Could you explain your statement, please?
People who already support the idea of intelligent design are seeing the movie, while those opposed, who need to see how they are censoring scientific thought won't go to the movie.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/17/2008 10:59:03 AM
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Doveflight --
She is a very energecit person, so on the first day after treatment, she is starting to feel it, but she wants to use the energy she possesses. After the first day, things go down-hill for awhile. She rests for the remaining of the week.
I went with her and my daughter-in-law to a chocolate party at her church last night. She looked better. She was not her energetic self, but she looked good.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
G-d has only one natural Son; EVERYONE else is adopted.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/17/2008 1:08:14 PM
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Doveflight
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Doveflight --
She is a very energecit person, so on the first day after treatment, she is starting to feel it, but she wants to use the energy she possesses. After the first day, things go down-hill for awhile. She rests for the remaining of the week.
I went with her and my daughter-in-law to a chocolate party at her church last night. She looked better. She was not her energetic self, but she looked good.
I am so glad to hear this. Yes, I seem to have energy the first day after and do as much as I can on that day, then crash for the next 2-4 days. I pray her treatments will be effective and she will soon be free and clear.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/17/2008 1:09:47 PM
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Doveflight
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Covaan,
On another thought, can you give me a parent's perspective on this. Mine have been there
for anything I have needed in the past 2 1/2 years, yet I know they grieve and hurt.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/17/2008 8:20:32 PM
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Covaan_Meshuga
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...I don't know -- what can I say? We are still very early in this journey. We just learned she had cancer in late March.
Initially, I was just shocked, but the parent side of me kicked in, and I just wanted to do anything I could to make her comfortable, to see her laugh. I soon heaard the question coming out of my mouth, "But why her?! She is such a good person. She always was! Why her? She is a mother and wife. Her family needs her, and she loves being there for them each one, individually. Why could it not have been me? Can you take it from her, and I will carry it? She doesn't deserve this." I actually heard myself asking G-d, "Why did you create her to be such a loving, sweet person, then allow this to happen to her?" Then it hit me that no one deserves cancer. No one is worthy of cancer. It is just what happens to both good and bad people.
I don't know. I am not sure I felt it in the same way as the average believing mother, because I have no idea what the average believing mother thinks and feels.
I wish I could answer you more definitively, but I simply don't have the answers, Dove. I'm sorry.
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Why does He keep quoting Torah? Doesn't He know He's about to abolish it?
A tree's fruit is obvious; you have to look harder for the worm hole.
G-d has only one natural Son; EVERYONE else is adopted.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 5/18/2008 7:38:54 AM
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Doveflight
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Thank you for sharing, Covaan Meshuga. I appreciate your honesty. I know when people remark
how I deal with situations now, I shrug and from heart say I don't know how to deal with this. I just make the best decisions as I go that I can and trust God a whole lot. I have no idea how other people respond. I have no idea what is 'expected' and I don't really want to know. I need to make the best decision and take the best action for me. God bless.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 6/2/2008 10:45:29 AM
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DougHorton
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Hello everybody!
I'm still out here.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 6/2/2008 3:53:40 PM
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Good to hear from you Doug. What has been in your life lately?
On top of chemo, (successfully that is with once again lowered counts) I unfortunatley
had to gain a pfa on my husband and am now in divorce negotiations. This is a very
different place to be. Trying to really take cover in prayer and seek His sanctuary
in all this and not pay evil with evil.
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 6/2/2008 3:59:14 PM
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{{{{{{{dove}}}}}}
I had no idea of your home situation - I'm so very sorry
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 6/2/2008 5:10:48 PM
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DougHorton
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Good to hear from you Doug. What has been in your life lately?
I'm just trucking on, but my son has finished his first year at college and the other kids are doing well. My wife and I have been kept busy the past weekends with charity events for my wife's dv shelter.
Hang in there Dove, Jesus will be there for you.
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You may think it strange, but he never likes any assistance. When he made the world, he did not ask the angel Gabriel so much as to cool the molten matter with his wing, but he did it entirely himself. -- Spurgeon
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RE: Reformed Theology Chat Thread - 6/2/2008 8:33:27 PM
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Doveflight
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Doug, My oldest just finished his first year of full time college as well, though he is actually a mid sophomore credit wise. He had taken many classes as a homeschooled high schooler at our local CC. We are just wrapping up the sports season with the little guys, one in soccer and one in ball. They are having a great season.
Doink, this season has been long and difficult. I grieve for the children and their sorrow, but actually feel God has rescued us out of Egypt. Walking the journey one step at a time.
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