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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 7:00:43 PM
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Davidway
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I don't think any preacher who is supposed to represent the Lord should go overboard owning leer jets, roll royces, million dollar mansions. Oh yeah. They're supposed to be poor while the wicked get richer. That must be the way God wants it. 
Well, no, I didn't say they had to be poor, but note that I said, I don't think they should go overboard. It's ok for them to have a nice house and car, but what do they need with three and four Lambourginis. My sister once did a paper route that crossed "one" of his Atlanta homes, and she said the guy had two or three lambourginis of more than one color. Now come on...that's not showing a very good witness to the world if a Christian is living unnecessarily lavish.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 7:22:34 PM
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No offense, AD--maybe I over reacted.
My point is that so called "prosperity" teachings are tailor made for misinterpretation both by the teacher and the student.
God often says "no" to a plea for monetary gain, and for very good reason.
Many pastors interpret "no" in this instance to an unrepented sin condition in the life of the penitent, and that's certainly only occasionally the case.
I believe with all my heart that God prospers some people with great wealth sometimes, but scripture surely indicates that that's a gift God doles out sparingly given the temptations that often accompany an overabundance of money. Even in believers. Maybe ESPECIALLY in believers.
I also believe with all my heart that God wants all His children to have enough to live on.
The rub comes into play when people find out through God's "no" that their "needs" were actually "greeds".
There's a whole lot of miles between "never seeing a righteous man's children begging bread in the streets", and the kind of lifestyle many Christians try to pray themselves into.
Peace and joy to you and yours, ArmyDude.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 7:24:15 PM
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I would still like to know how I twisted Creflo's words to make them say something else.
Thanks.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 7:38:12 PM
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Haha, you can say that again!
What amazes me is that it's mostly believers who think all preachers should be poor, while they have no problems with porn stars, pimps, and women-degrading rap artists live in multimillion dollar houses, drive the best of cars, and wear $100K of jewelry at a time.
Are not your accusations a bit extreem?
What amazes me even more so is how those deceived by this teaching (myself at one time included) have no problem with preachers imulating porn stars, pimps, and women-degrading rap artists. I am not stating that they share the same behavior but instead the same motivation...wealth and fame.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/17/2007 8:10:14 PM
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Greetings all
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Haha, you can say that again!
What amazes me is that it's mostly believers who think all preachers should be poor, while they have no problems with porn stars, pimps, and women-degrading rap artists live in multimillion dollar houses, drive the best of cars, and wear $100K of jewelry at a time.
Are not your accusations a bit extreem?
What amazes me even more so is how those deceived by this teaching (myself at one time included) have no problem with preachers imulating porn stars, pimps, and women-degrading rap artists. I am not stating that they share the same behavior but instead the same motivation...wealth and fame.
Not to mention that they aren't in the pulpit claiming to be teachers of the Word of God. Apples and oranges!
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/18/2007 7:01:49 PM
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I have yet to see the Creflo Dollar defenders reconcile or even attempt to address the following:
Creflo Dollar, Jesus' Growth into Sonship, 2002 [Found on Creflo Dollar's site or HERE]: "If Jesus came as God, then why did God have to anoint Him? Jesus came as a man, that’s why it was legal to anoint Him. God didn’t need anointing, He is anointing. Jesus came as a man and at age 30 God is now getting ready to demonstrate to us and give us an example of what a man with the anointing can do.
Jesus didn't come as God, he came as a man, and he did not come perfect. Perfect in the sense that he didn't need to be added to. But Jesus didn't show up perfect, he grew into his perfection."
The Bible: Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.
Jn 1:14 The Word became flesh and made His dwelling among us. We have seen His glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
Luke 2:11 Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you; He is Christ the Lord.
2 Jn 1:7 Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. Any such person is the deceiver and the antichrist.
1 Jn 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.
No one is going to agree 100% with every teacher, but a teacher who has a minor non-salvational error or difference can still be considered within the Christian faith as long as they confess the core doctrines of faith. A teacher who denies Jesus Christ cannot also be 'for' Jesus Christ. No one can have it both ways. A few questions:
Question 1: Should a teacher who preaches a 'Jesus' who was not God in the flesh but grew into Sonship [denial of Christs' divinity, false gospel, false Christ] continue to be accepted as a Christian teacher who upholds and is within the Christian faith, even when God calls such people anti-christs and deceivers?
Question 2: If yes, explain Biblically how you reconcile that.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/18/2007 9:26:35 PM
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lw9, I posted videos to some of those sermons in the OP.
Zildjian, weren't you defending Dollar?
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/19/2007 11:08:31 AM
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I'm not at all surprised that no one has come foreward to defend the quotes by Creflo Dollar that lw9 posted (TWICE). If I may lw9, I would like to add an additional quote from the same message:
Jesus didn't come as God, he came as a man, and he did not come perfect.
"But Jesus didn't show up perfect, he grew into his perfection. You know Jesus, in one scripture in the Bible he went on a journey, and he was tired. You better hope God don't get tired. Isaiah 50 says, 50, 60, somewhere, says where we have a God who fainteth not, neither is weary (Isa. 40:28). But Jesus did, if he came as God and he got tired, he says he sat down by the well 'cause he was tired. Boy we're in trouble. And somebody said, well, Jesus came as God. Well how many of you know the Bible says God never sleeps, nor slumbers. And yet in the book of Mark we see Jesus asleep in the back of the boat.
There is NO denying that Creflo Dollar teaches that Jesus was not fully God and fully perfect until he was 30. This is not teaching that is a little off. IT IS HERESY
No defender of him has ANY credibility unless they can defend (with Scripture) this and the quotes that lw9 posted.
For those that think I am just attacking him, I sent an email to his ministry asking him or someone in his ministry to explain (with Scripture) this belief of his. Not that this should come as no surprise, I have yet to receive a response.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/19/2007 11:15:26 AM
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For those that think I am just attacking him, I sent an email to his ministry asking him or someone in his ministry to explain (with Scripture) this belief of his. Not that this should come as no surprise, I have yet to receive a response.
Would you expect to? If anything, you'll probably get listed in with the "heresy hunters" the next time he gets on TV and says that we just don't understand and that we're in danger of getting sued for slander or something like that. Well, at least that's typically Paul Crouch and Benny Hinn's approaches.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/26/2007 4:40:50 AM
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He sounds much like an anti-christ to me.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/26/2007 7:59:01 AM
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Jesus didn't come as God, he came as a man, and he did not come perfect.
"But Jesus didn't show up perfect, he grew into his perfection. You know Jesus, in one scripture in the Bible he went on a journey, and he was tired. You better hope God don't get tired. Isaiah 50 says, 50, 60, somewhere, says where we have a God who fainteth not, neither is weary (Isa. 40:28). But Jesus did, if he came as God and he got tired, he says he sat down by the well 'cause he was tired. Boy we're in trouble. And somebody said, well, Jesus came as God. Well how many of you know the Bible says God never sleeps, nor slumbers. And yet in the book of Mark we see Jesus asleep in the back of the boat.
I'm all about giving people a chance, so I listened to Mr. Dollar a few times. There were some things that were scripturally shaky, but nothing too too major until I heard the broadcast with him saying this, After that, I was pretty much done. Then that's when I start to see the core basis of His ministry. Though Mr. Dollar is probably a nice guy and his church maybe doing some good things in the community, I think his theology is fraudulent and he's misleading a lot of people.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 3/27/2007 9:25:41 AM
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Jesus didn't come as God, he came as a man, and he did not come perfect.
"But Jesus didn't show up perfect, he grew into his perfection. You know Jesus, in one scripture in the Bible he went on a journey, and he was tired. You better hope God don't get tired. Isaiah 50 says, 50, 60, somewhere, says where we have a God who fainteth not, neither is weary (Isa. 40:28). But Jesus did, if he came as God and he got tired, he says he sat down by the well 'cause he was tired. Boy we're in trouble. And somebody said, well, Jesus came as God. Well how many of you know the Bible says God never sleeps, nor slumbers. And yet in the book of Mark we see Jesus asleep in the back of the boat.
I'm all about giving people a chance, so I listened to Mr. Dollar a few times. There were some things that were scripturally shaky, but nothing too too major until I heard the broadcast with him saying this, After that, I was pretty much done. Then that's when I start to see the core basis of His ministry. Though Mr. Dollar is probably a nice guy and his church maybe doing some good things in the community, I think his theology is fraudulent and he's misleading a lot of people.
I praise God that you had the discernment to listen completely to his messages. I too heard this message in it's entirety. To claim what he claims in this message is nothing but HERESY.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/17/2007 11:56:17 PM
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What's "overboard"? That last time I checked GOD is a GOD of "MORE THAN ENOUGH". Didn't Jesus say that HE came that we may have life MORE ABUNDANTLY? So, it's okay for Lil John and Young Jeezy to have "two or three lambourginis of more than one color" but not a minister or anyone that GOD loves?
And the last time I checked the bible didn't it mention that GOD takes pleasure in the PROSERITY of HIS people? And seeing that GOD doesn't need or want for anything and HE created us in HIS image, why should WE (including Dr.Creflo Dollar, JR) want for anything. In the new testiment it says something to this affect, "With you being evil, wanting to give your children good gifts, how much MORE does your HEAVENLY FATHER want to do for you"?
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 12:07:56 AM
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Everyone... there is something that outweighs any arguement that can be expressed about ANY CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. It's bigger than than being rich or poor, whole or broken. It has to do with your "Love Life". If you're not LOVING GOD and OTHERS the way that Jesus COMMANDED, all the theology and religion is for nothing. I've seen alot of comments on this forum pointing fingers, but the needs to be a time when we get before GOD, as PETER did, and get a revalation that NO MAN can give to us.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 8:29:35 AM
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Guilt trip time...
The point is to examine Dollar's doctrine. It has been found to be false as it does not line up with scripture. Especially with him denying the deity of Christ, claiming Christ was rich, etc.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 12:50:05 PM
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Let us go ahead and bottom line this.
We need to pray for him and those that sit under his teaching.
The evidence is clear in his butchering of certain scriptures when it comes to the deity of Christ, our purpose here on earth, and of course the whole "name it claim it", "blab it grab it" mentality. We are not joined together within the body of Christ to feel good. We are not joined together in the body of Christ to receive self absorbed blessings. We are joined in the body of Christ to make a positive impact on the world through our love, our faith, and our willingness to share the gospel to bring about change and prayerfully, salvation. Yes, I believe we should be prosperous, but prosperous in spirit, gifts, ministry, and love for others, not just in worldly items that just going to eventually fade away.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 2:28:09 PM
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What's "overboard"? That last time I checked GOD is a GOD of "MORE THAN ENOUGH". Didn't Jesus say that HE came that we may have life MORE ABUNDANTLY? So, it's okay for Lil John and Young Jeezy to have "two or three lambourginis of more than one color" but not a minister or anyone that GOD loves?
And the last time I checked the bible didn't it mention that GOD takes pleasure in the PROSERITY of HIS people? And seeing that GOD doesn't need or want for anything and HE created us in HIS image, why should WE (including Dr.Creflo Dollar, JR) want for anything. In the new testiment it says something to this affect, "With you being evil, wanting to give your children good gifts, how much MORE does your HEAVENLY FATHER want to do for you"?
You know, it's almost tiresome. You would think that peopel would stop and actually read the scripture they cite before using it to prove a point, especially a point about doctrine that exists only via the twisting of scripture and context and on the backs of scripturally ignorant people.
First, your "MORE THAN ENOUGH" claim rests on the premise that "more than enough" always includes material wealth, which it does not. Next, your citing of John 10:10 is out of context, and you make the error of equating material wealth with life, which a direct contradiction of:
Luke 12:15 And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.
Now, you use Psalm 35:27 and, again, it does not mean what you are claiming it means. This is the verse:
Psalm 35:27 Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favour my righteous cause: yea, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.
The Hebrew word translated "prosperity" is shalowm, which means, primarily, peace or soundness. Look at the entire psalm where war and uncertainty is spoken of and you will see that shalowm does not refer to material wealth, but to peace and safety in the Lord.
You simply can't go through scripture picking out verses that contain words that seem to agree with you. English was not the original language of scripture for either Testament. Your use of this is clearly wrong.
Now, you state we were created in God's image, which scripture says. You do make a profound error here, though. God is perfect. Man, even in our unfallen state, was never perfect. In fact, the need to be created to exist shows man's imperfection and is the main reason why God needs nothing to be God. You can not equate a perfect sef-existant God with an imperfect created man and then declare that since God needs nothing, we should want for nothing. We were created in His image, but we were still created. Then we fell. Now, to try to hold that imperfect and fallen beings should hold the same perfect self-existance (thus excluding the need or want fo ranything) because we hold a likeness that is corrupted by sin is, well, not scripturally sound.
Lastly, you quote Matthew 7:11. To refute this is simple - look at athe context. Christ is speaking of spiritual matters, not financial.
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Everyone... there is something that outweighs any arguement that can be expressed about ANY CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE.
No there isn't. Doctrine is teaching and it should be based on the word of God. Any argument outside scripture lacks the power of God's word.
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It's bigger than than being rich or poor, whole or broken. It has to do with your "Love Life".
Oh, please. Catchy phrases mean nothing - especially when they mar the line between spiritual matters and physical contact. It's in bad taste.
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If you're not LOVING GOD and OTHERS the way that Jesus COMMANDED, all the theology and religion is for nothing.
And how do you know what Christ commanded? Where will you find it? In scripture. Guess what - that also makes it a scriptural doctrine. How do you know if people are loving as Christ loved? How do you verify such things if these things outweigh, supposedly, Christian doctrine? If we no longer use scripture, by what guide or basis do we judge such things? DO they become relative?
As much as you might hate to know this, Christiantiy is a religion and, if you believe in any god you have practice theology.
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I've seen alot of comments on this forum pointing fingers, but the needs to be a time when we get before GOD, as PETER did, and get a revalation that NO MAN can give to us.
We already have one. It's called the Holy Bible. It is perfect and free of error and it does not need the likes of Creflo Dollar and any of his fellow wolves and sharks tinkering with it. Taking it and warping it is the only way to make thier heretical doctrine sound like anything close to true.
Either Creflo Dollar's doctrine matches up to God's word or it doesn't. I believe many of here have shown it doesn't. If you believe otherwise you are free to show it, just be prepared to back it up with scripture - in context. Cliches and catchy phrases do not count.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 2:31:41 PM
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Didn't Jesus get expensive gifts as a child, from Kings? Wasn't Judas the guy that handled the money for the crew? Didn't the 12 ask Jesus to show them his PHYSICAL house? Didn't Abraham (as a LOVE GIFT TO GOD... NOT BECAUSE OF THE LAW) give (10% of the spoils of WAR) to the HIGH PRIEST of his day? Didn't Jesus ride into Jerusalem on a donkey, which by todays standard be an "Phantom"? The point is JESUS HAD NOTHING MISSING, NOTHING BROKEN in his life.
And why doesn't anyone talk about the school World Changers built? Or how the students exceed far beyond their grade level? Or the houses and cars that he's sown into poeples lives? Or the fact that he doesn't collect a check from the church for his services? Or the fact that he might just be real fly in making real esate transactions? Didn't Jabez pray (make a demand of God) for his STUFF to be enlarged and increased? Why is Jabez any different than me or you?
About the deity of Jesus, does it make the sacrifice any less wheither Jesus is or not? People have their priorities screwed up on this point. Hear (and do) what He (Jesus) said, then you'll be able to hear (and hopefully do) what He is saying now (because He is still speaking).
About Jesus "GROWING INTO HIS PERFECTION", it's possible... not that important, but possible. Remember there is a CHUNK of time that was skipped in His life. Okay, we know about His birth. We know about Him being a TODDLER (at least) when the Kings showed up with the gifts... in Africa (Egypt)... where they were hiding (how many poeple do you know can hide in an African Metro Area?)... for several YEARS. We know about Him being 12 and then, poof, He's an adult doing miracles.
Before poeple get the underwear in a bunch over little details in doctrine, they need to make sure that their greatest asset is in order. That's operating in the LAW OF LOVE which can be expressed as unto John 3:16 "For GOD so loved the world that HE gave His only begotten Son." Strip it down to the important nouns and verbs, you get this; GOD loved, (so) HE gave.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 2:36:38 PM
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Didn't Jesus get expensive gifts as a child, from Kings? Wasn't Judas the guy that handled the money for the crew? Didn't the 12 ask Jesus to show them his PHYSICAL house? Didn't Abraham (as a LOVE GIFT TO GOD... NOT BECAUSE OF THE LAW) give (10% of the spoils of WAR) to the HIGH PRIEST of his day? Didn't Jesus ride into Jerusalem on a donkey, which by todays standard be an "Phantom"? The point is JESUS HAD NOTHING MISSING, NOTHING BROKEN in his life.
Before I take this and the rest of this post apart piece by piece, do you really want honest answers to these questions, or are you just on a soap box?
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About Jesus "GROWING INTO HIS PERFECTION", it's possible... not that important, but possible. Remember there is a CHUNK of time that was skipped in His life. Okay, we know about His birth. We know about Him being a TODDLER (at least) when the Kings showed up with the gifts... in Africa (Egypt)... where they were hiding (how many poeple do you know can hide in an African Metro Area?)... for several YEARS. We know about Him being 12 and then, poof, He's an adult doing miracles.
There is no scriptural support for this. It is heresy and blasphemy of the highest order. Have you ever really read the Bible, or are you just spoonfed your doctrine by heretics?
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 2:43:47 PM
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He's spouting everything that Dollar says. I have the print AJC article on Dollar saying that Jesus was rich because of the gifts that the wise men gave or because Jesus had a treasurer. It came out last December a few weeks before Christmas. I don't think I've ever laughed so hard over the blatant heresy presented in it. Such weak arguments, with little scriptural support. It's also sad, because Dollar and those who follow him actually believe this junk.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 3:00:17 PM
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Okay, REAL TALK! Have you ever had to figure out where your next meal will come from? Had your utilites shut off? Been stressed out trying to figure out you're gonna feed your wife and TWO childern on a check that can barely pay bills? Or maybe wonder how your gonna get a new car because your OLD one is on FIRE in front of you? Or maybe the doctors are trying to tell you that you should abort a baby that GOD ordained and promised because there's a50/50 chance your wife could DIE? I HAVE!!!!!
So, here's what I want you to do... tell my NEW EXPEDITION GOD doesn't want ME to prosper. Tell MY WIFE (who's STILL ALIVE) that GOD doesn't want me to prosper. Tell my TWO YEAR OLD DAUGHTER that GOD DOESN'T WANT ME TO PROSPER! And while you're at it... TELL THE MONEY THAT'S COMING TO ME NOW, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, THAT GOD DOESN'T WANT ME TO PROSPER!
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 3:11:31 PM
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Okay, REAL TALK! Have you ever had to figure out where your next meal will come from? Had your utilites shut off? Been stressed out trying to figure out you're gonna feed your wife and TWO childern on a check that can barely pay bills? Or maybe wonder how your gonna get a new car because your OLD one is on FIRE in front of you? Or maybe the doctors are trying to tell you that you should abort a baby that GOD ordained and promised because there's a50/50 chance your wife could DIE? I HAVE!!!!!
I will take it that this is your way of avoiding the questions I asked. Please, to save us both some time, do you wish me to show you the errors and heresy in what you say or do you just want to be a parrot for the heretic that calls himself a man of God?
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So, here's what I want you to do... tell my NEW EXPEDITION GOD doesn't want ME to prosper. Tell MY WIFE (who's STILL ALIVE) that GOD doesn't want me to prosper. Tell my TWO YEAR OLD DAUGHTER that GOD DOESN'T WANT ME TO PROSPER! And while you're at it... TELL THE MONEY THAT'S COMING TO ME NOW, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, THAT GOD DOESN'T WANT ME TO PROSPER!
I will let Christ speak for me:
Matthew 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?
Now, here's some sage advice:
I Timothy 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
Now, would you like to calm down and give scriptural answers to your questions, or should I just assume you are happy with what you have and that truth means nothing to you and your Expedition?
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 3:13:36 PM
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Calm down there. Why are you making such a big deal about this? We are called to glorify God, not obtain possessions or worldly wealth. There's no scriptural support for such a claim. Dollar claims we can be gods. How do you back that one up? Being made in the image of God is not the same as being a god. If you are honest with yourself and look to scripture and let scripture speak for itself and interpret itself, then you will have more joy in desiring God and wanting to be like Jesus than in your possessions or anything else of this world. We are called to holiness, not prosperity in worldly goods. We are not called to be gods. Jesus was alway sinless. A gap in his childhood doesn't prove anything. Now just calm down, take a deep breath, and start over.
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RE: Creflo Dollar - 4/18/2007 3:30:40 PM
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Okay, REAL TALK! Have you ever had to figure out where your next meal will come from? Had your utilites shut off? Been stressed out trying to figure out you're gonna feed your wife and TWO childern on a check that can barely pay bills? Or maybe wonder how your gonna get a new car because your OLD one is on FIRE in front of you? Or maybe the doctors are trying to tell you that you should abort a baby that GOD ordained and promised because there's a50/50 chance your wife could DIE? I HAVE!!!!!
So, here's what I want you to do... tell my NEW EXPEDITION GOD doesn't want ME to prosper. Tell MY WIFE (who's STILL ALIVE) that GOD doesn't want me to prosper. Tell my TWO YEAR OLD DAUGHTER that GOD DOESN'T WANT ME TO PROSPER! And while you're at it... TELL THE MONEY THAT'S COMING TO ME NOW, IN THE NAME OF JESUS, THAT GOD DOESN'T WANT ME TO PROSPER!
More REAL TALK.....
Look here bruh, I don't think people are saying that God don't want us to be prosperous. There are plenty of Christians, I mean saved, sanctified, fill with the Holy Spirit, tongue speaking, and bible believing Christians who have a lot of money. That is fine. God blessed them with resources and he is probably allowing them to use those resources to bless others. Here's the reality, EVERYONE is not going to have those same blessings. EVERYONE is not going to have those same resources. For those people he makes them prosperous in other ways. He makes them prosperous in ministry, in missionary work, spiritual gifting, etc. This prosperity theology is pretty one sided because the majority of the subject matter revolves around earthly/material posessions. This sort of stuff matters not to God/Jesus. I had someone who goes to a church that follows this theology here in Maryland to say that, "God is obligated to give me any and everything I want". I was taken a back because God is not obligated to do jack for us. He is not some sort of divine ATM, Slot Machine or Car Dealership. It's very, very dangerous to have the idea that God just want me to have an abundance of earthly wealth/riches. This type of thing seduces people and leads them down a road of greed, lust, and envy. These types of biblical principles being taught are very dangerous. So tell me this, you follow all those principles and you still have not received that “Overflow”, what happens then? A lot of people not grounded in The Word would think, well maybe my faith is not strong enough, or there is still something in my life that is holding me back from "My Stuff". This is done without even thinking; well maybe God is going to bless me in some other area. Like I said earlier in this post, following this type of doctrine is a dangerous thing. Shoot, I have not even touch the fact that dude denied the deity of Jesus Christ.
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