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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/28/2007 4:33:11 PM
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AmyR
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has there been any video footage of jd singing WALK THE LONESOME ROAD i think he hits a double low c on that or lower
I don't believe he goes below the double low C. Sometimes he would go down to low F, sometimes to double low C. But I don't believe he went any lower than that note in a live concert setting.
My dad heard him in concert many years ago, and he says that the piano player was walking him down ... what do they call it, "taking notes," I think. He says that JD hit one and asked the pianist where it was, and they pianist just pointed down past the low end of the piano?!? I don't know if that is possible, though.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/28/2007 4:35:02 PM
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has there been any video footage of jd singing WALK THE LONESOME ROAD i think he hits a double low c on that or lower
I don't believe he goes below the double low C. Sometimes he would go down to low F, sometimes to double low C. But I don't believe he went any lower than that note in a live concert setting.
My dad heard him in concert many years ago, and he says that the piano player was walking him down ... what do they call it, "taking notes," I think. He says that JD hit one and asked the pianist where it was, and they pianist just pointed down past the low end of the piano?!? I don't know if that is possible, though.
It is possible.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/28/2007 4:49:42 PM
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If I am not mistaken J D Sumner could pretty much concictently hit the second or third key from the bottom end. I do no he hit some really low notes on Walk That Lonesome Road with the Stamps. My Brother sings bass and we used to do that song. My brother could not go quite as low as JD so we had to have the key changed to accomodate him. JD also hit some real low notes, I think the note in question, on the Elvis song Way Down.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/28/2007 4:51:02 PM
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I thought maybe so, after reading the rest of the comments in the thread, defining double low C. So evidently he did do it when my Dad was there. I could have seen them fooling around and there being an octave's difference, (I can never understand what octave male vs. female singers are supposed to be in anyway), but not anything else.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/28/2007 10:47:58 PM
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Is (double low C) the same as two C's below middle C ?
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/29/2007 9:33:07 PM
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Mike Holcomb hits a double low c every concert.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/29/2007 10:01:29 PM
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Thanks for the answer. I did not think it was 
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No, it's three octaves below; it's the lowest C on the piano.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/29/2007 11:36:55 PM
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The are a number of bass singers who can hit a double-low C: however, J.D. got famous for hitting the note and could probably hit the note with less effort. As I understand the story J.D. did not contact the record book. A rep. from the Guiness Book Of World Records heard Elvis's Way Down album and contacted J.D. He was smart enough to play the card and used it to gain a niche. Anything lower than a double-low C is no longer musical note but just a sound. I would suspect that is one reason J.D. never defended his title and knowing J.D. probably did not want to rain on the young man's parade.
Harold Gilley hits a double Low C on his Ralph Emerson Tape.
I have also heard David Hester hit a Double-Low C.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/30/2007 1:24:16 PM
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I have also heard David Hester hit a Double-Low C.
I heard that too.
By the way, the Cumberland Quartet says on their website that in the late '80s, JD said he was tired of the title of lowest bass singer and nominated either Mike Holcomb or the CQ's present bass (I think Cecil Stringer) to replace him.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/30/2007 8:06:26 PM
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I DO remember hearing JD in the late 80s hit the F with such ease. I have had the pleasure of hearing those earlier recordings with the Blackwoods when his actual singing was much, much better. Sure, it's a cool thing to hit the ultra low notes, but if you can't sing very well above that, it gets old in a concert. Back in the day, JD could do BOTH. Today, I get tired of hearing a lot of younger bass singers GRUNT notes they really can't hit. An occasional one to have fun is okay, but there are basses out there on the road who think they have to be a JD or a Tim Riley at the end of every song. Hey, if you've got it, FINE, but don't GRUNT those notes all the time, if you can't really hit 'em.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/31/2007 2:00:49 PM
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Daniel, I figure that's the reasoning....but the question is whether or not it's accurate. If someone is describing the bottom-most 'C' on a piano keyboard, then it's just not accurate to say it's a "double-low C". At least not, if they're counting downward from the middle 'C'.
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Not only is the C two octaves below middle C commonly called "low C" for bass singers, the C two octaves above middle C is commonly called "high C" for sopranos. Ditto for trumpets (though a normal trumpet is actually sounding a B-flat when it sees a C on the music).
It appears the prevailing logic suggests that at least two octaves are required before a superlative can be applied.
There's even more confusion when you ask someone to define "low F" or "high F."
Music terminology is rife with logical inconsistencies, unfortunately, but try changing it and see how far you get.
For example, an interval of a third plus another third isn't a sixth, as you might think...it's a fifth. Two octaves aren't: 16va. I've seen it written incorrectly that way in octave transposition indications...but two octaves are technically: 15va.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 3/31/2007 2:37:02 PM
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Carrying on from above...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_pitch_notation
The article above refers to middle C as C4, with other Cs named in relation to it. I assume it's based on the layout of the piano keyboard, which would make the lowest C on the keyboard C1, and the notes below that A0, B-flat0, and B0.
http://www.bestwebbuys.com/Elementary_Harmony-ISBN_0132816105.html?isrc=b-search
In Robert Ottman's Elementary Harmony, a text commonly used in college music theory classes, middle C is called c1 with c2 and c3 and so forth used for higher octaves. Going down, the octave below is c (or "small C"), the octave below that is C ("great C"), below that is C (contra), and then there's AAA (Sub Contra) for the three remaining notes on the piano. CCC would be off the piano.
If you use SONAR to edit a MIDI file, middle C is referred to as C5. MIDI covers the range of human hearing and then some with 128 notes arranged in half steps. C0 in MIDI is a whopping five octaves below middle C. Some MIDI editing software, I've been told, refers to middle C as C3 rather than C5.
So middle C can be called c1, C3, C4, or C5, depending on which definition you follow.
I have no problem calling the C three octaves below middle C "double low C." These definitions above were determined by so called "experts." If the experts can't agree with any more consistency than this, I think insisting on any sort of consistent logic in common usage is pointless...may as well go with the flow and use terms people are most likely to understand.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 4/1/2007 1:39:50 PM
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JD Sumner was just awesome each & every time we ever saw him down thru the years, whether singing or talking, but especailly when he was really feeling great.
A few years ago, we had a local female bass singer (now gone on to her reward) who used to play 8-tracks of him (I said a "few years ago".....lol) and get almost as low as he did.
We tried to get her to contact him for a "match-up", since he had a great sense of humor & enjoyed practical jokes would probably have done something really funny with an opportunity like that, but she would never do it.
Sadly, that her family knows of, no recordings of her remain due to a house fire & a tornado that destroyed several family members/friends houses.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 4/4/2007 5:53:22 PM
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do you'll think TIM STORMS is a lower bass singer than jd .
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 4/30/2007 3:05:54 PM
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If someone is describing the bottom-most 'C' on a piano keyboard, then it's just not accurate to say it's a "double-low C". At least not, if they're counting downward from the middle 'C'.
Technically, the lowest C on a piano keyboard is called a C1. The next, which is commonly referred to as a "low C" is C2 and so on. Middle C would be C4. Also, high C for a male is an octave lower than high C for a female, so what do you call it? C5 or C6, depending on which note it is. C2 is called "low C" because it typically is the lowest C a bass can hit. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. It really has little to do with its relationship to middle C.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 4/30/2007 3:56:33 PM
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If someone is describing the bottom-most 'C' on a piano keyboard, then it's just not accurate to say it's a "double-low C". At least not, if they're counting downward from the middle 'C'.
Technically, the lowest C on a piano keyboard is called a C1. The next, which is commonly referred to as a "low C" is C2 and so on. Middle C would be C4. Also, high C for a male is an octave lower than high C for a female, so what do you call it? C5 or C6, depending on which note it is. C2 is called "low C" because it typically is the lowest C a bass can hit. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule. It really has little to do with its relationship to middle C.
All right, bigboytenor, there is at least one person on the board who knows your language! I can't speak it, at least not well, but I have a receptive understanding; I know what you're talking about.
When the person who started this thread talked about JD Sumner hitting a double low C in concert, that is a C1. David Hester and Paul David Kennamer also hit this note.
An octave above, C2, is a note that virtually every professional Southern Gospel bass can hit.
An octave above that, C3, is basically a note that virtually every male singer should be able to hit.
C4, Middle C, is a note that basically every baritone, lead, and tenor can sing, as well as some bass singers.
C5 is what is referred to as "high C." Virtually every Southern Gospel tenor can hit it (though a few, usually a few of the classically trained, prefer to stay no higher than B-flat.)
C6 is what is referred to as the "double high C." A very few tenors sing this note regularly in concerts, among them Jeremy Peace, who is just leaving the Kingsmen.
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RE: JD SUMNER HITTING A DOUBLE LOW C IN CONCERT - 4/30/2007 3:59:34 PM
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Me too. Its a lot like Who's on First.
Who is on first? 
I was simply trying to clarify for those who wanted to get technical.
I heard the guy who used to sing bass with the Branson Brothers - Dan something - hit the double low C. He did it on a song called "Way Down" that JD used to do with the Stamps when they were backing up Elvis. It was impressive. Dan "what's his name" is the guy who broke JD's record at the Minnesota State Fair by hitting an A1, the lowest note on a standard piano keyboard.
Hearing someone sing that low is pretty wild. I've heard Mike Holcomb do it and I was blown away. I knew he could get down there, but not that low.
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