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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 6:21:16 PM
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rebeccalynn3348
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By the way the vaccine industry is a billion dollar industry 6.5 billion in 2001...(and is suppossed to double here soon) on the CDC's website it says vaccines range in price from $14 to $620 dollars a piece. Another thing is that the people responsible for regulating and promoting them are making a profit in the US (I don't know how it works in the UK)...complete conflict of interest and that alone should not be allowed to go on.
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 6:26:13 PM
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If I may summarize why I have a negative view of alternative/natural medicine. I was communicating with a women at another site who has a child with type one diabetes. She is trying to cure her son with cleanses and herbs and spices and hoping to get this child off of insulin. There are plenty of well-meaning yet misinformed knuckleheads supporting her. Now I'm not a doctor but I'm quite sure any real doctor would tell you that this has ZERO chance of working and is in fact downright dangerous. Remember the line-The road to hell is paved with good intentions! I don't believe in putting articles written by others in my posts as I believe this should be your own words. I can assure you however that there are many cases of people paying a huge price for getting caught up in all this anti-doctor/pharmaceutical company propaganda.
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 6:44:12 PM
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From the CDC website:
Six Popular Misconceptions about Vaccination
This includes a refutation of "Diseases had already begun to disappear before vaccines were introduced, because of better hygiene and sanitation."
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 6:50:15 PM
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This reminds me of the line-You see what you want to see..You see this in all debates. Back to the natural medicine thing, when a study concludes that their treatment isn't effective they just attack the study and respond with the conspiracy theory thing. If a study supports their beliefs then it is without a doubt a perfect study. That's why there is a point at which people have to just agree to disagree. No one questions the good intentions of the anti-vaccine crowd but they just don't analyze the risk-reward ratio properly. I suspect that unless they're Amish they are driving their children around in an automobile and that's much more likely to kill them than the vaccine.
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 7:48:35 PM
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Also from the CDC website:
"Today, with the exception of some Influenza (flu) vaccines, none of the vaccines used in the U.S. to protect preschool children against 12 infectious diseases contain thimerosal as a preservative."
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 8:54:27 PM
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Its a shame some of you have such a negative view of natural health. God gave us herbs and medicines grown on earth for a reason and these are the ones that don't have side effects unlike tecnincally made drugs which if you watch TV you know how many have been linked to deaths and serious issues. Of course this is a little off the point.
I don't know how you came up with this statement. Believing that vaccinations are healthy does not equal a negative view of natural health. For our family is a balanced view. I am not a fanatic. There are uses for mainstream medicine. If it weren’t for main stream medicine, I’d have died last summer. It is not an either or proposition. If you look in my cabinets, you will find mostly homeopathic remedies and herbs. However, that does not negate the effectiveness of many therapies used by medical doctors.
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By the way the vaccine industry is a billion dollar industry 6.5 billion in 2001...(and is suppossed to double here soon) on the CDC's website it says vaccines range in price from $14 to $620 dollars a piece. Another thing is that the people responsible for regulating and promoting them are making a profit in the US (I don't know how it works in the UK)...complete conflict of interest and that alone should not be allowed to go on.
There are a couple of problems with this. First you appear to reject anything from the CDC that doesn’t support your position, but are more than willing to include anything that you think may bolster it. Secondly, the fact that the drug companies make billions of dollars a year doesn’t mean that everything they produce is a money maker for them or that they make a lot of money on it. Again this thinking shows poor logic.
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cynthia I'm not sure what Swedish study you are talking to and what point you are trying to make with it; sorry I am just unclear.
Did you follow the link? The CDC was explaining that many of the assertions being made against vaccinations are based on so called studies that are completely lacking in scientific value.
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 9:50:35 PM
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Dr. Richard Moskowitz, a medical researcher, concluded that the unnatural process of vaccination could lead to slow viruses developing in the body. These may bring about the “far less curable chronic diseases of the present (Miller, 89).” And disabilities caused by the vaccines are often disguised under different names: autism, dyslexia, learning disability, epilepsy, mental retardation, hyperactivity, and minimal brain dysfunction, to name a few. Juvenile delinquency, an unprecedented rise in violent crime, drug abuse, and the collapse of the American school system unable to contend with the estimated 20-25% of students mentally and emotionally deficient represent other conditions that may be attributed to the vaccines.
This is so bizarre, it’s hard to even answer. Vaccinations are not to blame for the list of ailments you have attributed to them. Listing these items shows a glaring ignorance of all of those items.
*There is no longer an ailment called minimal brain dysfunction. It is now called either ADD or ADHD and is not caused by vaccinations. I have done extensive research on ADHD, since it runs in my family. It’s been around for a lot longer than vaccinations have.
*It has already been shown here that autism has not been scientifically linked to vaccinations. Saying it has is wrong.
*Learning disability is a broad term. There are many recognized causes of learning disability.
*Dyslexia is a misunderstood issue, but is not caused by vaccinations. Saying it is shows a total lack of understanding regarding dyslexia.
*Epilepsy, mental retardation and hyperactivity are issues that can be caused by more than one thing.
It is known that vaccinations do sometimes lead to severe reactions, but that is not the norm. Almost anything can cause a reaction. Take celery for example, I have a reaction to celery. My daughter can’t take medication with orange flavoring. Do I now blame every ailment known to man on either celery or orange flavoring? No of course not. That would be ridiculous, as is blaming this list on vaccinations. Some of the items have absolutely no correlation to vaccinations and others do in rare incidents, but the vast majority of people that have those ailments, that are sometimes linked to a reaction to a vaccine, did not get them from vaccinations.
To blame juvenile delinquency and violent crime on vaccinations is downright irresponsible. You could start a thread on what the causes of those things are and would get a much different picture than vaccinations gone bad.
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 11:13:41 PM
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How do you explain the excessive levels of mercury in a child with autism (not saying vaccines are the only cause but as I mentioned before there are some studies - like the one in Reader's Digest-that show a 1,000% increase) with no other cause but vaccines? How can a person ignore that 1 in 166 children are found somewhere on the autism spectrum and that was in direct coorelation to introducing child vaccines at a younger age and in more doses. Not to mention take a look at the symptoms of mercury poisoning and autism sometime..they are pretty much identical! In fact many parents whose children they know got autism from vaccines don't even call it autism they call it mercury poisoning.
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 11:16:40 PM
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I'm not saying they shouldn't be making money...I'm saying the agencies that regulate and promote vaccines should not get a piece of the pie (they shouldn't get paid more for more vaccines going out) because then it is VERY difficult for them to be in any way objective and they are much more likely to dismiss any studies that suggest a link to anything...in fact that is what they have done..I have a very eye-opening video clip that was done on a newsbroadcast with interviews of top vaccine people and they even admit to not looking at these studies because of "competing interests"
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 12:08:06 AM
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...I'm trying to inform parents of the risks of vaccines. I am only pointing out that credit is being given where credit is not deserved. Government and vaccine makers claim they have pretty much eradicated disease because of their shots when that is just not the truth. I don't enjoy being lied to.
I agree completely.
I also think some are making a big deal on the technecality of the smaller details, and not looking at the larger details. It makes sense that better hygene, plumbing, etc, would cause those numbers to drop.
I think it is good to factor in to my decision making process...
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 12:13:29 AM
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Just because some choose not to believe what you tell us doesn't mean that we've been 'indoctrinated'. I choose certain paths in my life. Sometimes I wish I hadn't. Such is life. But please don't go freaking out about one thing when the chances are that you drive a car, eat take-aways, buy foods that are unhealthy as so will inflict these on your children.
Life is dangerous.
The choice to have children vaccinated is down to the parents. It doesn't mean they're indoctrinated.
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Some people mistakenly believe that anyone who contracts polio will become paralyzed and die, however, 95% of everyone exposed to the natural poliovirus won’t even exhibit any symptoms. Sister Kenny, who's treatment saved so many children from a lifetime of misery and who's same treatment was later debunked may have had something to say about that.
Polio is of interest to me ~ for no other reason that my mother was a Johnny Wezmiler (in Tarzan) fan and always told us he had polio as a child and only started to swim because the doctors made him (don't know how true that is, it's what my mother told us though!). Personally, I like Alan Alda. Now I know that he did get polio and was treated by the Kenny treatment. He has no problems now.
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the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 47-55% We're talking of an epidemic here. Incidences will rise and fall. They won't stay static. But it doesn't mean the disease won't come back. You know how many people have contracted polio since 1979? TEN ~ and yes it was quite possible due to the vaccine.
But 10 in over 25 years is a whole lot better figures than the 60,000 cases (with 3,000 deaths) of the disease when it was at it's peak in 1952 don't ya think?
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 12:16:10 AM
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I'm trying to inform parents of the risks of vaccines. My problem with this is that you're informing parents of the risks of vaccines but not informing them of the dangers of the diseases.
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 12:26:18 AM
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This a regular topic here on forums. It comes up every so often, so most people posting here have already heard the other side of the issue.
I realize you are a moderator, and have obviously posted alot, but this comment comes across as a little clicky. You also have to consider that even though you have been here a while, and "most" of you have heard this all before, there are newcomers who would like the information.
I would suggest to those that have heard it all before, move on to different threads. And if you are passionate about the issue, just be considerate that it is her 1st time hearing your points.
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 12:39:43 AM
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This a regular topic here on forums. It comes up every so often, so most people posting here have already heard the other side of the issue.
I realize you are a moderator, and have obviously posted alot, but this comment comes across as a little clicky. You also have to consider that even though you have been here a while, and "most" of you have heard this all before, there are newcomers who would like the information.
I would suggest to those that have heard it all before, move on to different threads. And if you are passionate about the issue, just be considerate that it is her 1st time hearing your points.
I've been in forums a long while, but I've not seen a thread on vaccines before ~ but I don't tend to come to this folder. So for that reason I am a 'newcomer'. I didn't find the comment 'clicky' ~ and while I've known cythnia a while we've not always seen eye to eye about things.
I also welcome information. But I want that information to be presented in a clear and honest way. It wasn't. I got information but nothing to state where that information had come from really. I've been told to believe what has been said, but to do my own research.
Nothing has been said on what would happen if children weren't immunised.
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 12:57:13 AM
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This a regular topic here on forums. It comes up every so often, so most people posting here have already heard the other side of the issue.
I realize you are a moderator, and have obviously posted alot, but this comment comes across as a little clicky. You also have to consider that even though you have been here a while, and "most" of you have heard this all before, there are newcomers who would like the information.
I would suggest to those that have heard it all before, move on to different threads. And if you are passionate about the issue, just be considerate that it is her 1st time hearing your points.
I've been in forums a long while, but I've not seen a thread on vaccines before ~ but I don't tend to come to this folder. So for that reason I am a 'newcomer'. I didn't find the comment 'clicky' ~ and while I've known cythnia a while we've not always seen eye to eye about things.
I also welcome information. But I want that information to be presented in a clear and honest way. It wasn't. I got information but nothing to state where that information had come from really. I've been told to believe what has been said, but to do my own research.
Nothing has been said on what would happen if children weren't immunised.
I felt like Rebeccas point is that you tend to get a one sided point of view from the doctors about shots. All they do tell you are the effects of not immunizing, and to me, scare people into it without providing all the facts in a truthful way. I think that Rebecca has presented her info in a clear and honest way, because from the beginning, she has not claimed to be an expert, but has tried to encourage parents to consider all the facts. That dosnt mean she has to be an expert on the subject, but I think she is sincerely looking out for her fellow christians.
Which, by the way, you all still have yet to post on your feelings about the aborted fetal tissue that is injected into the newborns.....
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 1:06:49 AM
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I think that Rebecca has presented her info in a clear and honest way I think that she's posted in the exact same way that many doctors talk people into getting shots. By scaring them.
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encourage parents to consider all the facts Gotta give all the facts to consider them all. She hasn't. She's given hers.
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Which, by the way, you all still have yet to post on your feelings about the aborted fetal tissue that is injected into the newborns..... Kinda a moot point as I don't have children and can't have them... but...
I'd have my children immunised without doubt. Even with aborted fetal tissue. If there was an alternative I'd go for it. If there wasn't they'd have their shots. Of course, this would depend on what my husband's thoughts were, but I don't have one of those so can't ask.
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 1:41:45 AM
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This a regular topic here on forums. It comes up every so often, so most people posting here have already heard the other side of the issue.
I realize you are a moderator, and have obviously posted alot, but this comment comes across as a little clicky. You also have to consider that even though you have been here a while, and "most" of you have heard this all before, there are newcomers who would like the information.
I would suggest to those that have heard it all before, move on to different threads. And if you are passionate about the issue, just be considerate that it is her 1st time hearing your points.
This is off topic and twisting what I've said. I was responding to the op's comment that she started this thread to inform people about how dangerous vaccines are and has given the impression that she's talking to a bunch of people that have never heard her rhetoric or put any thought into the subject of immunizations. I was directly answering her statement. That is the first time I've ever been called clicky. I find it annoying.
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 1:59:03 AM
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Looking at some of the claims being made against vaccinations currently, these same claims generally made the rounds when my daughter was little 18 years ago. I and others of my age do remember some of the damage done by some of these diseases. We were around to see the tail end of them.
Also, I see a lot of bad science going on in some of the resources and posts. There are basic principles we teach our children in school, whether secular or Christian, about how science operates. Some are learned later with more advanced study.
1) A study's foundation and claims must be examined. The author of any publication should make sure his information is both transparent and clearly explained. Transparency means that both the author's interests in the study and the means and interpretations must be able to be understood by the reader who is knowledgeable in the field.
2) A study may be published in a reputable journal, by a reputable scientist, and still be false. It must pass the test of peer review, both immediately and over time. A noteworthy example of this is cold fusion "discovered" by Stan Pons. My husband and I were both at the University of Utah where and when cold fusion was discovered. My husband was in the chemistry department as a Ph.D. student where Stan Pons was a professor. To say that it flunked the tests of peer review is an understatement! Dr. Pons's experiments were not reproducible, and it soon became evident that some very basic experimental mistakes were made.
3) Statistics....   As a math major I was required to take a semester course on statistics. One of the more basic principles that was emphasized is that correlation does not mean there is a cause and effect relationship. Cause and effect requires study beyond correlation. For example, you may be able to make a correlation between the number of nights per week a family eats chicken and the color of their car or cars, but that does not mean there is any meaningful relationship between the two. The other principle of statistics is one that most of us have heard of is that you can lie with statistics very easily.  Therefore, the statistics of any study, like any other research, must be both transparent and able to pass peer review.
4) Science is fluid. What we firmly believe today may be obsolete or completely refuted in 10 years. Scientific methodology is not perfect by any means, but it is the best we have to try and hold each other up to a high standard of truth. It of course suffer the limitations of our humanity.
As my 11yo. daughter asked after one whiz-bang neato cool type demonstration (given at Dupont to entertain 11-14 year olds one take your child to work day), "So what's the point of all this?" (Imagine your dh's young, childless coworker giving that particular demonstration and reporting back to dh  This was not the only extraneous challenge they had with our dear brainy, rocket-scientist, and blunt daughter!
I understand that we all want the best for our children and the effort it takes, but my concern is with the quality of research given for many natural medicine sites. Actually I have some of the same concern for many sites that claim to be from the regular medical establishment. Some of the info for the wholistic medicine completely fails examination except for a few anecdotes. We also do not regulate natural substance medicines, supplements, etc. to see that what's in the bottle is what it's supposed to be with any consistency. When we assume that because the substances are natural, they must be safe, we can cause serious harm or death. Many of these things you do need to try with your doctor's knowledge and assistance if willing because of their risks and their interactions with both OTC and prescription medicines. A natural substance taken to alter the body in some way is just as much a drug as a manufactured one.
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 2:02:02 AM
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How do you explain the excessive levels of mercury in a child with autism (not saying vaccines are the only cause but as I mentioned before there are some studies - like the one in Reader's Digest-that show a 1,000% increase) with no other cause but vaccines? How can a person ignore that 1 in 166 children are found somewhere on the autism spectrum and that was in direct coorelation to introducing child vaccines at a younger age and in more doses. Not to mention take a look at the symptoms of mercury poisoning and autism sometime..they are pretty much identical! In fact many parents whose children they know got autism from vaccines don't even call it autism they call it mercury poisoning.
Large scale studies are being done by the CDC, yet no link has been shown to exist. Link to CDC.
They aren't getting it from vaccinations. Mercury has been eliminated from almost all vaccinations. Even when they were using mercury, it was is very small amount, not enough to explain excessive levels of mercury in a child that had the vaccinations.
No one is ignoring anything. There are all kinds of studies that have been and are being conducted on this very thing. So far all of the studies have shown that there is no link. I am more likely to believe a study that involves a couple thousand people over a study that involves two people or maybe a four person study, which is what this faulty information about vaccines and autism, etc. is based on.
Link to more facts about thimerosal.
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 2:29:26 AM
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I was not aware that the MMR was made using aborted babies. Here is a link on how to avoid that issue.
I doubt I'll have time to discuss this further, as I have pressing family matters to attend to tomorrow and then we are leaving town.
God bless you all. Happy Thanksgiving.
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 2:31:56 AM
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Dear Rebecca:
First of all, you may be correct in all that you believe, because NOBODY has the definitive answers as of yet.
I would lovingly like to share with you some insights. First of all, my son has autism. I knew it from about age 2 months, even though no doctor believed me until his 2 year old well baby check up. How did I know? I had four children before him and I nursed all of them until they were around the age of 2. All of my children were very bonded to me. I knew how they made eye contact, how they smiled, etc. My son with autism avoided eye contact with me, he always had to have similar items, one for each hand. By the time he was 8 months he would jump in place for hours on end. I did get him to deeply bond with me after about the age of 6 months by trying some different ideas. Thank the Lord they worked.
My son did NOT have his immunizations because I did not want to cause him more issues on top of his autism. So immunizations are not responsible for his autism. Now if there is mercury in higher amounts in him, I would have to guess it came from the amalgam, the fillings in my teeth. My son has now had his immunizations, but only started them after age 2 and is still a little behind on them.
I have tried all the "natural" cures on him. Nothing helped, outside of he does function better on raw goat's milk (and no, it does not have an odor if they keep the bucks/billys away from the does/nannys), as do all of my children. For me what has made a huge difference is having a lot of children to interact with him. And we have used Applied Behavior Analysis. We were doing this exact thing before (God placed it on our hearts), but now I have a book on it that has helped me realize a few important skills he never mastered because he does not learn the same way my other children did. They are things I never realized were important for development, but now I understand why.
Many of us have researched this thoroughly and there just is no proof yet as to what is causing autism, though I do believe vaccinations could increase it. There were some studies done where amish villages had NO autistic children and since they do not get vaccinations, some felt that was proof. Unfortunately, it is not that simple. The amish also were not using tylenol products, could the increase be from tylenol? There were so many factors that were never considered as to what the amish avoid that we are doing daily.
If this is your heart's passion and you are convinced, then you need to continue. I just want to share as a mum of an autistic son, why I cannot jump on that bandwagon. And our government has never been above board, so I hardly believe all the CDC says. I realize the vaccinations may still be full of bad things. The vaccinations may be the cause in some cases. I don't know. I could be wrong. You could be right.
May the Lord keep you in His tender embrace, J M
As some have suggested, you also must realize the autistic spectrum now includes so many things that used to be thought of as mental illnesses, learning disorders, etc.
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How do you explain the excessive levels of mercury in a child with autism (not saying vaccines are the only cause but as I mentioned before there are some studies - like the one in Reader's Digest-that show a 1,000% increase) with no other cause but vaccines? How can a person ignore that 1 in 166 children are found somewhere on the autism spectrum and that was in direct coorelation to introducing child vaccines at a younger age and in more doses. Not to mention take a look at the symptoms of mercury poisoning and autism sometime..they are pretty much identical! In fact many parents whose children they know got autism from vaccines don't even call it autism they call it mercury poisoning.
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 2:32:45 AM
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manda59
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ORIGINAL: Jess75
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ORIGINAL: cynthia
This a regular topic here on forums. It comes up every so often, so most people posting here have already heard the other side of the issue.
I realize you are a moderator, and have obviously posted alot, but this comment comes across as a little clicky. You also have to consider that even though you have been here a while, and "most" of you have heard this all before, there are newcomers who would like the information.
I would suggest to those that have heard it all before, move on to different threads. And if you are passionate about the issue, just be considerate that it is her 1st time hearing your points.
rebecca has stormed in here cramming her thread with cut and pastes from various sites, some properly credited, some looking like it's her words, saying she wants to enlighten us all about the evils of vaccination, saying that parents don't know about the issues (not just 'don't know' but 'aren't told') and that it's her mission to tell us, because no-one else will.
Cynthia was merely pointing out that many of us here *do* know, *are* informed parents who question and reason.
And the absolute *LAST* thing cynthia is is "clicky" (presuming you meant "cliquey"). I have been here a while now and she has always struck me as firm but fair, and NEVER, in a month of Sundays, "cliquey".
Btw, I appreciate that this vaccination topic is a major issue for you, because of having lost your sister to lupus, and worrying about whether or not to vaccinate your baby dd. It must be especially hard for you to be having to decide when you are newly-bereaved. You're in my prayers.
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RE: vaccines - 11/22/2006 5:37:16 AM
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HenriettasCat
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Rebecca
I wonder if the issue regarding the use of substances taken from aborted babies for vaccination might be better served in the morality and ethics folder as a seperate issue.
My 2 cents, for what its worth.
I think if this is true I would still immunise. Now if the industry were farming or encouraging abortion (perish the thought) for that specific purpose it would be a totally different thing, but most christians I know do not have a problem with the concept of organ donation (I certainly don't) and I can't see there's much between them.
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