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RE: Vaccines:The truth behind the shot - 11/21/2006 2:15:24 PM   
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This is really scary, although my DD who just turned twenty got bacterial spinial menegitis at age two, when she had not had her shots yet. Thank the Lord she is ok, but I think about polio and such also. (sigh) my kids are to old to worry about it now, but I will have grandchildren someday, and the choice is scary.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 2:30:30 PM   
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I'm going to respond to several people and make some general comments also.

First to cynthia: the chicken pox (varicella) vaccine wasn't introduced until the late 1990's (other vaccines have been around since the 1930's and 1950's) so you can't compare until then and I'm not sure what diseases you are talking about that haven't declined since sanitation practices were put into place, but many of the diseases and disorders on the rise today are directly linked to vaccines, diet, and environmental toxins. For example, mercury is a toxic heavy metal (the second most poisonous element known to man) and kids with autism routinely have high levels of mercury with no other source but vaccines for the cause. But going back to chicken pox; it is a relatively harmless disease and your child will have lifelong immunity if they get it naturally, however, we are finding more adults getting chicken pox later in life because they did not get it naturally and DO NOT have immunity and it CAN be harmful if a teen or adult gets the disease.

To loveydoveysmom: I would never put 100% complete trust in anyone but the Lord.

To everyone: I want to remind you all that I am just trying to inform parents of the other side of the issue that will most likely not be discussed with you by your doctors or anyone...

Okay I want to mention something about immunity since this is crucial in understanding the harm that vaccines pose. This information is from the video Are Vaccines Safe by Mary Tocco, a born-again Christian researching vaccines for 26 years now. You can go to her website www.marytocco.com. So, when you get a disease naturally T-1 lymphocytes are produced which give you immunity...on the flip side, when you get an artificial disease (derived from animal and human tissue or excretions such as pus, feces, blood, urine, etc.) you get T-2 lymphocytes which DO NOT give immunity.

One vaccine I have major problems with is the hepatitis B vaccine. First of all hepatitis B is primarily a disease that prostitues, gay men, and drug users get and the vaccine loses antibodies within 6-10 years according to the World Health Organization. I don't know about you but I don't know too many 6 or even 10 year old prostitutes or drug users especially out having sex with random partners. In the Journal of Family Practice (1993;36:153-57) and Pediatrics journal (1993; 91:699-702), studies show 87% of pediatricians and family practiontioners do not believe this vaccine is needed by their newborn patients.

Lots more info. to come...please keep your comments coming also..I'm really hoping to help educate on this issue..thanks

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 2:36:44 PM   
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lightshineon: Since you are concerned about polio, I would like to share some info. I have on that with you and others.

Polio is a contagious disease caused by an intestinal virus that may attack nerve cells of the brain and spinal cord. Symptoms can include fever, headache, sore throat, and vomiting. Some victims may develop neurological complications, including stiffness of the neck and back, weak muscles, pain in the joints, and paralysis of one or more limbs. In severe cases, it may be fatal due to respiratory paralysis. Treatment consists of putting the patient to bed and allowing the affected limbs to be completely relaxed. If breathing is affected, a respirator may be used. Physical therapy may be required.

Some people mistakenly believe that anyone who contracts polio will become paralyzed and die, however, 95% of everyone exposed to the natural poliovirus won’t even exhibit any symptoms. About 5% will experience mild symptoms. Muscular paralysis has been estimated to occur in about one of every 1,000 people who contract the disease. (Miller, 13). Dr. Jonas Salk developed a killed-virus vaccine against polio. Shortly after, Dr.Albert Sabin developed a live-virus (oral) vaccine against polio. Both were said to be safe and effective. Several studies have shown injections increase susceptibility to polio. When diphtheria and pertussis vaccines were introduced in the 1940’s, cases of paralytic polio skyrocketed. In 1995, the New England Journal of Medicine published a study showing that children who received a single injection within one month after receiving a polio vaccine were eight times more likely to contract polio than children who received no injections (Miller, 14)! From 1923 to 1953, before the Salk killed-virus vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 47-55%. When the vaccine became available, many European countries questioned its effectiveness and refused to systematically inoculate their citizens. Yet, polio epidemics also ended in these countries. The number of reported cases of polio following mass inoculations with the killed-virus vaccine was significantly greater than before mass inoculations, and may have more than doubled in the U.S (Miller).
Jonas Salk, the developer of the killed polio virus vaccine, testified along with other scientists that mass immunizations against polio is the cause of most remaining cases of the disease. He said that the “live virus vaccine (used in the U.S. from 1960 to 2000) was the principal if not sole cause of all reported cases in the U.S. since 1961.”

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 2:47:07 PM   
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cynthia,
I've already explained and given the sources that explain that vaccines were NOT the cause of disease decline (90-95% decline BEFORE mass immunizations), but hygiene, sanitation, indoor plumbing, cleaner water, etc. deserve the thanks.



Trouble is, you have not given us any figures relating to that study - like, for example, 90% of what figure? The remaining 10% could still have represented a large number of people.
You also don't give us the size of the "sample population" that was taken - whether it's all people, or whether it was, say, a sample group of 1,000 people that was looked at, and the numbers multiplied up on a pro rata basis. Nor have you told us which specific diseases were looked at during that time.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 2:59:50 PM   
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To loveydoveysmom: I would never put 100% complete trust in anyone but the Lord.


Well of course, that's why I trust my pediatrician.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 3:01:18 PM   
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manda59:
When I say the disease decline was 90-95% it means the entire U.S. population (if you want that specific of information I would really encourage you to look up the study..I gave you the source) I wouldn't have the time or energy to give every sepcific detail to every single study I get these facts from plus it would be boring and unneccessary. If someone is really interested in getting to the bottom of this and making a decision they will look up the sources. I don't even want anyone to blindly trust me..I want them to research it for themselves and make a decision they are comfortable with but that is impossible when we are not given all the information for BOTH sides..I am presenting the side that is not being told to parents. I will mention that The Medical Sentinel's study was done by many expert historians and has never been disputed by anyone in the medical field or the government. Also the British Assoication for the Advancement of Science also concluded that" childhood diseases decreased 90% between 1850 and 1940, paralleling improved sanitation and hygienic practices, well before mandatory vaccine programs."

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 3:03:00 PM   
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manda59:
When I say the disease decline was 90-95% it means the entire U.S. population (if you want that specific of information I would really encourage you to look up the study..I gave you the source)



I have been trying to find the study - it's not obvious from the source you gave.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 3:09:46 PM   
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Also the British Assoication for the Advancement of Science also concluded that" childhood diseases decreased 90% between 1850 and 1940, paralleling improved sanitation and hygienic practices, well before mandatory vaccine programs."


So many countries including our own (Canada) have sanitation and hygiene problems. Since you have all the statistics on this then how are you or anyone else going to solve all the sanitation and hygiene problems?

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 3:18:24 PM   
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loveydoveysmom: I'm not trying to solve all the hygiene and sanitation problems...I'm trying to inform parents of the risks of vaccines. I am only pointing out that credit is being given where credit is not deserved. Government and vaccine makers claim they have pretty much eradicated disease because of their shots when that is just not the truth. I don't enjoy being lied to.

manda59: I will look up the specifics in my research and get back to you on that.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 3:31:10 PM   
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manda59: If you would like to look it up online you can go here for the site: www.mercola.com/2001/aug/18/vaccine_myths.htm , however, if you want the hard copy you would need to look up the title: Dispelling Vaccination Myths (Part 1) and the August 18, 2001 edition of The Medical Sentinel (which is the official journal of American physicians and surgeons). Go here and you can see individual editions http://www.haciendapub.com/medsent.html

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 3:33:10 PM   
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Every action we take on this earth carries with it a risk. As parents our responsibilty is to measure those risks and make our choices based on those.

Rebecca - can you tell us percentage wise what the risk of long term side effects vaccination poses. I would imagine it is extremely small.
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 3:41:39 PM   
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do they still give small pox? My youngest is nearly thirteen. I remember mine did not take. I do not have the scar. I think this maybe an important one if they do, given the state of the world. My middle had chicken pox she is now 17, she caught, a secondary infection of the blood from it, This sounds funny, but it was called strep Pnemonia I believe. My little never had it, due to the shot. ON the other hand, I have worked with the handicapped, and years ago a little girl, had a stroke, due to shots and was profoundly retarded. I have seen two cases like this. It is rare, and my girls have had thier shots, I wish Amity my oldest would have had her mennengittis (sp) shot earlier, she is fine, beautiful and all now, but was very sick. In 1988, they did not give it until age two. She turned 2 nov 4, and contracted it around nov 18. I was pregnan at the time, it was scary. It is a individual choice, which both sides need looked at, and seriously considered. I think the OP, for he information, she feels very passionate about. It does not mater how someone may ecide atleast it is out there.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 3:46:22 PM   
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I'm going to respond to several people and make some general comments also.

First to cynthia: the chicken pox (varicella) vaccine wasn't introduced until the late 1990's (other vaccines have been around since the 1930's and 1950's) so you can't compare until then and I'm not sure what diseases you are talking about that haven't declined since sanitation practices were put into place, but many of the diseases and disorders on the rise today are directly linked to vaccines, diet, and environmental toxins.


The chicken pox vaccine is an excellent example and comparison for the very reason that it was not introduced until fairly recently. Chicken pox has not declined due to better sanitation or any of the other things you mentioned. It has continued to afflict most children, until the vaccine came out. Once the vaccine became popular, the incidence of chicken pox has declined significantly amongst those that have been vaccinated.

What I am talking about is that the sharp decline in diseases, that have been routinely vaccinated against, began immediately after the vaccinations were given to the masses. Yes, there was a decline in diseases when sanitation and hygiene became common, but the diseases that are now routinely vaccinated against, such as mumps, measles, diphtheria, etc. sharply declined once the vaccinations were given to the vast majority of the population. This is a well established fact in the medical community. To say otherwise is to disregard all of the evidence showing this to be true.

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For example, mercury is a toxic heavy metal (the second most poisonous element known to man) and kids with autism routinely have high levels of mercury with no other source but vaccines for the cause. But going back to chicken pox; it is a relatively harmless disease and your child will have lifelong immunity if they get it naturally, however, we are finding more adults getting chicken pox later in life because they did not get it naturally and DO NOT have immunity and it CAN be harmful if a teen or adult gets the disease.

I already posted a link from the CDC showing this is a lie. It doesn’t matter how strongly parents, who are desperately looking for a source, believe this is the cause, if there is no evidence to show this to be true. In fact, many studies have been done and to date, it has not been proven. Any studies that have shown a correlation were severely flawed. You can find that from the link I posted earlier.

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But going back to chicken pox; it is a relatively harmless disease and your child will have lifelong immunity if they get it naturally, however, we are finding more adults getting chicken pox later in life because they did not get it naturally and DO NOT have immunity and it CAN be harmful if a teen or adult gets the disease.

So people that have had the immunization in childhood should have regular up-dates to insure immunity. Btw, the logic you are using in this statement contradicts your other statements trying to show that vaccinations are ineffective. If they are ineffective then children that are vaccinated against it should get it anyway and thus have immunity as adults. Personally, I did not vaccinate my children against chicken pox. They are all immune.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 3:48:28 PM   
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To everyone: I want to remind you all that I am just trying to inform parents of the other side of the issue that will most likely not be discussed with you by your doctors or anyone...

This is a regular topic here on forums. It comes up every so often, so most people posting here have already heard the other side of the issue.

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Okay I want to mention something about immunity since this is crucial in understanding the harm that vaccines pose. This information is from the video Are Vaccines Safe by Mary Tocco, a born-again Christian researching vaccines for 26 years now. You can go to her website www.marytocco.com. So, when you get a disease naturally T-1 lymphocytes are produced which give you immunity...on the flip side, when you get an artificial disease (derived from animal and human tissue or excretions such as pus, feces, blood, urine, etc.) you get T-2 lymphocytes which DO NOT give immunity.

What?! Vaccinations do give immunity. To say otherwise is utterly ridiculous.

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One vaccine I have major problems with is the hepatitis B vaccine. First of all hepatitis B is primarily a disease that prostitues, gay men, and drug users get and the vaccine loses antibodies within 6-10 years according to the World Health Organization. I don't know about you but I don't know too many 6 or even 10 year old prostitutes or drug users especially out having sex with random partners. In the Journal of Family Practice (1993;36:153-57) and Pediatrics journal (1993; 91:699-702), studies show 87% of pediatricians and family practiontioners do not believe this vaccine is needed by their newborn patients.

If you skip that vaccine, the problem is solved. Just because an unnecessary vaccine is given to some children doesn't mean that it's going to hurt them. All things unnecessary are not necessarily harmful.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 4:01:04 PM   
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And one more fact - Just because a child contracts chicken poxs when they are young does not mean they become immune for life. In rare cases they can and do get again and in very rare cases they can get it a third time. How do I know? My eldest is one of those kids. He has now had Chicken Pox 3 times. And all three cases were pretty bad too. And to top it off he is now much more suseptable for contracting shingles when he's older.

And as far a polio is concerned:
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Polio is a contagious disease caused by an intestinal virus that may attack nerve cells of the brain and spinal cord. Symptoms can include fever, headache, sore throat, and vomiting. Some victims may develop neurological complications, including stiffness of the neck and back, weak muscles, pain in the joints, and paralysis of one or more limbs. In severe cases, it may be fatal due to respiratory paralysis. Treatment consists of putting the patient to bed and allowing the affected limbs to be completely relaxed. If breathing is affected, a respirator may be used. Physical therapy may be required.

emphasize is mine.
I would rather have my child immunized then run the risk of my child contracting something that could possibly affect his already lowered immune system and respiratory issues. A simple shot - to prevent the possibility of him being on a respirator and needing PT? I'll take the vaccination.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 4:08:34 PM   
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manda59: If you would like to look it up online you can go here for the site: www.mercola.com/2001/aug/18/vaccine_myths.htm , however, if you want the hard copy you would need to look up the title: Dispelling Vaccination Myths (Part 1) and the August 18, 2001 edition of The Medical Sentinel (which is the official journal of American physicians and surgeons). Go here and you can see individual editions http://www.haciendapub.com/medsent.html




I cannot find the details of the study on that link, sorry.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 4:09:09 PM   
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Some of these diseases are rarely severe enough to cause death or permanent injury, however, in the event of an epidemic, a larger number of people (simply because of the statistical probability)

When an epidemic occurs, a much larger number of people are impacted and therefore the numbers of people that have complications is increased. A disease that normally has a low risk of complications may still have hospitals overcome with large numbers of suffering people.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 4:21:08 PM   
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I don't believe that I was given the chicken pox vaccine when I was a child (born in 1979) because they didn't have it then. I've had the chicken pox twice. The first time was when I was in kindegarten or 1st grade and the second time was when I was 8 or 9. My first case with it was not severe. With the second case I remember having the bumps all over and being just miserable with itching!! That being said, I have not had shingles as an adult (though I believe my father did when he was a young man). My husband has never to his knowledge had chicken pox. We chose not to immunize our daughter Hannah against it because it does not protect her from actually contracting it if she's going to. We have given her all the other vaccinations though (including the Hep. B which I was not educated on when she was born and we will not be vaccinating her sister against it). Her last round of vaccinations (the 15 month ones) went fine except that she had a reaction to the, I believe, DTap. She had a fever, loss of appetite, crankiness, and tiredness for 24 hours, poor girlie! That, to date is the only vaccine that she has had an adverse reaction to.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 4:34:18 PM   
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Dr. Richard Moskowitz, a medical researcher, concluded that the unnatural process of vaccination could lead to slow viruses developing in the body. These may bring about the “far less curable chronic diseases of the present (Miller, 89).” And disabilities caused by the vaccines are often disguised under different names: autism, dyslexia, learning disability, epilepsy, mental retardation, hyperactivity, and minimal brain dysfunction, to name a few. Juvenile delinquency, an unprecedented rise in violent crime, drug abuse, and the collapse of the American school system unable to contend with the estimated 20-25% of students mentally and emotionally deficient represent other conditions that may be attributed to the vaccines. The developmental disabilities and other conditions noted above are frequently caused by encephalitis, or inflammation of the brain. Medical practitioners know that encephalitis can be caused by a severe injury to the head, a severe burn, from an infectious disease, or from the vaccines against these diseases. The principal cause of encephalitis in the United States today, and in other industrialized countries, is childhood vaccination programs. Autopsies after post-vaccinal encephalitis show a loss and destruction of myelin on the brainstem and spinal cord. Subtle and often overlooked reactions to the vaccine such as fever, fussiness, or drowsiness cab be, and often is, a case of encephalitis which is capable of causing severe neurological complications months or even years later.

(Miller, 89) is Neil Z. Miller, an idependent researcher, with over a 100 sources in his book entitled Vaccines: Are they really safe and effective? This is the first book I read and I encourage you all to check it out...if not buy it. Some sources include WHO (World Health ORganization, Journal of the Amercian Medical Association, American Journal of Public Health, New York Times, FDA, and many,many,many more! I was very skeptical at first too and had many of the same questions and concerns you all had. This book started three years of continual research for me and I continue to do more and more. I do not rely on the internet..I use a wide array of sources (journals, books, personal interviews, video, etc.) Like I said before this isn't about trusting me...I prayed hard about this for awhile and God gave me personal peace about it. I am not here to tell you not to vaccinate...then I would be just like the government trying to force parents to vaccinate..I just hope parents really look into this and feel 100% comfortable with their decisions...that may be how all of you feel; but I have personally come across countless parents who feel guilted, pressurred, and manipulated into vaccinating their children. In many cases they are lied to and told they have to get their kids vaccinated in order for them to enter school but the truth is you can get exemptions in every state and sign waivers against indivdiual vaccines. Many parents feel unneccessary fear against these diseases that are often times called "life-threatening" when they are not. Go to www.thinktwice.com and check out some of the government ploys used.

By the way no one has mentioned the fact that aborted fetuses are used. What do you all feel about this?

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 4:47:36 PM   
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According to Russell L. Blaylock, M.D. in his book
(2000). Health and Nutrition Secrets That Can Save Your Life.
Health Press.

"The immune system at birth is still incompetent. This is why the baby depends on collustrum – loaded with immune components specifically designed to protect the baby during this critical gap of immunity – from the mother’s milk for immune protection. Now here come the brilliant vaccination police insisting the newborns receive an inoculation against hepatitis B.

Keep in mind that many mothers today do not breast-feed their babies, so that their babies continue to be immune deficient. Add to that fact that their children are being forced to receive powerful vaccine whey their immune systems are not only immature, but also terribly dysfunctional. These vaccine programs led by “evidence-based” doctors serving on vaccine boards in the Public Health Department. Where is their evidence that such a product is safe? There is plenty of experimental, and even clinical, evidence that it is not safe, combined with growing evidence that thousands of babies have been irreparably harmed.

When children are vaccinated using combined vaccines, such as DpaT and MMR, they are more likely to suffer immune suppression. This allows the measles virus to survive and inhabit the cells lining the gastrointestinal tract and even the nervous system. Now acting like a stealth virus, the measles organism can survive for a lifetime. Because the immune system continues to try unsuccessfully to rid the body and brain of the virus, much damage is done. It’s a smoldering attack that never ends. Because of this process, the measles virus is suspected as a possible cause of multiple sclerosis and ALS, among other diseases.

I often tell parents that giving six vaccines at one sitting is like child contracting six different diseases at the same time. As far as the immune system is concerned, that is exactly what has happened.

Lest you be skeptical, we do in fact have a shining example of just such an even occurring in adults as a result of the government’s brilliant inoculation program perpetuated on soldiers serving in the Gulf War. These soldiers were required to take seventeen different vaccines over a short period of time, a massive assault on the immune system. As with the children and babies, many became ill and suffered debilitating disorders, many of which were neurological.

The Department of Defense recently admitted that there was a 200 percent increase in the incidence of ALS in Gulf War veterans.

Vaccines also expose children to extremely powerful additives called immune adjuvant, chemicals designed to make the immune system react even more intensely than normal and assure a higher percentage of successful immunizations. Adjuvant, include aluminum salts, which can also damage the brain.

Blaylock lives in Mississippi, which has the most stringent vaccine laws in the country. There are no religious or philosophical exemptions allowed and medical exemptions are difficult to have approved. Even worse, combined vaccines cannot be broken up and given separately. This has nothing to do with anything medical: it is pure politics.

Your options in such a case are to (1) move to another state, (2) home school your children and avoid day care centers, or (3) fight it in court

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 4:58:09 PM   
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The statements you are making, Rebecca, are without merit. There are no studies that prove any of what you are saying.
Here is an example of where this false information is coming from. Link here.
Quote from above link:
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Two Swedish studies have also suggested a high risk of Crohn's Disease in those exposed to measles in utero. However, these studies involved very small numbers of cases, 2 cases in the first study and 4 in the second study, 2 of which were cases in the first study (Ekbom et al 1994, Ekbom et al 1996).

A study of two cannot even be considered a study. These kinds of "studies" are the sources for the type of information that forms the conclusions that vaccinations are not safe.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 5:01:33 PM   
HenriettasCat

 

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So what's in it for the government. Why on earth would they want to spend millions on vaccination programs which in turn are going to make people sick and disabled therefore adding further millions to the burden of the health service? (I live in the UK where everyone uses the National Health Service - so its not about getting people to spend their money).
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 5:42:43 PM   
CindyBrady

 

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I've tried to make this very point to some overly enthusiastic supporters of so-called alternative medicine. The people who buy into the garbage Kevin Trudeau and others are getting rich promoting all this conspiracy theory nonsense. The government is losing tons of money on the disabled and if there were natural cures they would be aware of it and pushing the doctors to make their patients try this stuff. Buy they just respond with the garbage that's been pushed in their minds about how the pharmaceutical companies control the world blah, blah, blah...There aren't even that many US companies interested in the vaccine business because of all the potential liability. US pharmaceutical companies are not making tons of money selling vaccines.
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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 5:55:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: rebeccalynn3348
By the way no one has mentioned the fact that aborted fetuses are used. What do you all feel about this?



That sounds very sensationalistic.

My understanding is that some vaccines are prepared using cell lines derived from human foetuses - and that no new foetuses have been used since the 1960's.

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RE: vaccines - 11/21/2006 6:18:07 PM   
rebeccalynn3348

 

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Its a shame some of you have such a negative view of natural health. God gave us herbs and medicines grown on earth for a reason and these are the ones that don't have side effects unlike tecnincally made drugs which if you watch TV you know how many have been linked to deaths and serious issues. Of course this is a little off the point.

cynthia I'm not sure what Swedish study you are talking to and what point you are trying to make with it; sorry I am just unclear.

manda59 that is incorrect information..aborted fetal tissue is still used and you can check that on the CDC's website. You can call it what you want but I don't want that in my kids along with these ingredients:

Formaldehyde – is oxidized to formic acid which leads to acidosis and nerve damage. Acidosis can be described as a condition in which the acidity of the body tissues and fluids is abnormally high. The liver and the kidneys may also be damaged and it is not safe at any level.

Phenol (poison) –. a white, crystalline, poisonous mass, obtained from coal tar, used chiefly as a disinfectant.

Acetone (in nail polish remover) – volatile, water-soluble, flammable liquid; used chiefly in paints and varnishes, as a general solvent

Ammonium phosphate (toxic) – used as fertilizer, in fire extinguishers, etc.

Aluminum (preservative) – metal; ranked as one of the most hazardous compounds to human health

Animal tissue – including pig blood, horse blood, rabbit brain, dog kidney, monkey kidney

VERO cells – a continuous line of monkey kidney cells and washed sheep red blood cells (SV40 cancer) I will be discussing contaminated monkey kidney cells and the link to cancer.

Human Diploid cell