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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/18/2007 6:30:50 PM
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DNP,
I see you are spreading Roman Catholic propaganda, most of which has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. What's up with that? Are you hoping that we'll challenge the supposed answers to each of those questions? I hope not, because those rebuttals would get us off-topic.
Instead, let's stop on your claim that various ECF's recognized the deuterocanonicals as Scripture. Can you back that up with citation to sources so we can see if you are being truthful?
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/18/2007 11:22:15 PM
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Prayer of Manesseh - This is based on the text of 2 Chronicles 23:11-14, and contrary to the book of Kings, has the wicked King Manasseh undergoing a conversion in Babylon. It was written in the 3rd century BC. [Beck.OTNT, 340]
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica
The website would be a lot more convincing if it bothered to check its facts. This one jumped out at me for three reasons:
1. The Prayer of Manasseh is based on 2 Chronicles 33:11-13;
2. It does not contradict the Bible; Manasseh did undergo a conversion, see 2 Chronicles 33:11-17;
3. The Prayer of Manasseh is not part of the Deuterocanonical Books, so no one considers it part of the Bible anyway.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/19/2007 8:37:03 AM
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Prayer of Manesseh - This is based on the text of 2 Chronicles 23:11-14, and contrary to the book of Kings, has the wicked King Manasseh undergoing a conversion in Babylon. It was written in the 3rd century BC. [Beck.OTNT, 340]
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica
The website would be a lot more convincing if it bothered to check its facts. This one jumped out at me for three reasons:
1. The Prayer of Manasseh is based on 2 Chronicles 33:11-13;
2. It does not contradict the Bible; Manasseh did undergo a conversion, see 2 Chronicles 33:11-17;
3. The Prayer of Manasseh is not part of the Deuterocanonical Books, so no one considers it part of the Bible anyway.
Not true. In the Orthodox Churches, the Prayer of Manasseh is canonical, as is 1 Esdras, 3 Maccabees, and Psalm151.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/19/2007 9:22:01 AM
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Jesklu and kelman,
I noticed you quote some ECF to defend your position regarding the deuterocanonicals.
Of course many ECF recognized the deutercannonicals as scripture.
Some ECF you quote/reference
Hilary of Poitiers
Jerome
Athanasius
Origen
Cyril of Jerusalem
Gregory of Nazianzus
Melito
Which raises some other questions for me:
Do you believe in the real prescence of Christ in the Eucharist ??
Origen and Cyril of Jerusalem did
http://www.catholic.com/library/Real_Presence.asp
Do you believe in baptism of infants ??
Origen and Gregory of Nazianzus did. http://www.catholic.com/library/Early_Teachings_of_Infant_Baptism.asp
Do you believe baptism saves ??
Cyril of Jerusalem, Origen, Gregory of Nazianzus did.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Baptismal_Grace.asp
http://www.catholic.com/library/Necessity_of_Baptism.asp
Do you believe in Confirmation ??
Cyril of Jerusalem did.
[link=://www.catholic.com/library/Confirmation.asp]http://www.catholic.com/library/Confirmation.asp[/link]
Do you believe in Apostolic Tradition ?
Origen and Athanasius did.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Apostolic_Tradition.asp
Apostolic succession ??
Jerome did.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Apostolic_Succession.asp
Do you believe Peter was Pope ??
Origen, Cyril of Jerusalem and Jerome did.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Origins_of_Peter_as_Pope.asp
http://www.catholic.com/library/Peter_Primacy.asp
Do you believe in the Intercession of the Saints ??
Origen, Cyril of Jerusalem, Hilary of Poitiers, Jerome, and Gregory of Nazianz did.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Intercession_of_the_Saints.asp
Do you believe that Mary was ever virgin ?
Origen, Athanasius and Jerome did.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Mary_Ever_Virgin.asp
Do you believe in Mary, Mother of God ??
Athanasius, Gregory of Nazianz, and Cyril of Jerusalem did.
http://www.catholic.com/library/Mary_Mother_of_God.asp
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J.N.D. Kelly
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As Protestant church historian J. N. D. Kelly writes, "It should be observed that the Old Testament thus admitted as authoritative in the Church was somewhat bulkier and more comprehensive [than the Protestant Bible]. . . . It always included, though with varying degrees of recognition, the so-called apocrypha or deuterocanonical books" (Early Christian Doctrines, 53), which are rejected by Protestants.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/19/2007 12:27:04 PM
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Dona Nobis Pacem
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most of which has nothing to do with the topic of this thread. What's up with that? Are you hoping that we'll challenge the supposed answers to each of those questions? I hope not, because those rebuttals would get us off-topic
Of course that is not my intent. Although I thought it was quite obvious I guess I will have to spell it out.
The posters listed some ECF who they say support their opinion that the deuterocannonicals are not scripture.
Many of those same ECF support positions which I doubt they agree.
I was wondering why they think the ECF correct on 1 issue and those same ECF wrong on 10 other issues.
I was not trying to get off topic and would welcome discussion in the appropriate threads on the other topics.
I however will be oot until Sunday and will not be responding until next week.
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DNP
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/19/2007 6:52:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: librarian_ponderer
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ORIGINAL: 9drtr
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ORIGINAL: JesKlu
Prayer of Manesseh - This is based on the text of 2 Chronicles 23:11-14, and contrary to the book of Kings, has the wicked King Manasseh undergoing a conversion in Babylon. It was written in the 3rd century BC. [Beck.OTNT, 340]
Your sister in Christ Jesus,
Jessica
The website would be a lot more convincing if it bothered to check its facts. This one jumped out at me for three reasons:
1. The Prayer of Manasseh is based on 2 Chronicles 33:11-13;
2. It does not contradict the Bible; Manasseh did undergo a conversion, see 2 Chronicles 33:11-17;
3. The Prayer of Manasseh is not part of the Deuterocanonical Books, so no one considers it part of the Bible anyway.
Not true. In the Orthodox Churches, the Prayer of Manasseh is canonical, as is 1 Esdras, 3 Maccabees, and Psalm151.
Joe
Oops. Sorry.
Points 1 & 2 remain, though.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/20/2007 6:46:04 PM
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Hello!
In the Bible Catholics and Protestants read....
Ephesians 4:1-5(NIV)
Unity in the Body of Christ
1As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were called to one hope when you were called— 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.
Do Catholics and Protestants follow the same Jesus?
Are Catholics and Protestants in the same bond of peace?
Also what did the Apostle Paul write down for us to read in....
Philemon 1:1-25
Onesimus, to me is like Martin Luther!
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Hello!
Do Catholics and Protestants follow the same Jesus?
Are Catholics and Protestants in the same bond of peace?
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/21/2007 3:22:58 AM
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The posters listed some ECF who they say support their opinion that the deuterocannonicals are not scripture.
Many of those same ECF support positions which I doubt they agree.
I was wondering why they think the ECF correct on 1 issue and those same ECF wrong on 10 other issues. My purpose in using ECF's is because RC will insist, though they do so erroneously, that the ECF's agree with their position concerning the canon of the RC Bible. So, I use the ECF's to point out that many absolutely did not believe the Apocrypha was Scripture.
That ECF's could be correct on some issues and wrong on others shouldn't come as any surprise. They were, after all, fallible men giving their interpretation of Scripture.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/21/2007 5:06:07 AM
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Discuss the differences between the Catholic version of the Bible and the protestant version.
The catholic version of the bible contains the byzantine or majority text mixed with corrupted Alexandrian manuscripts which come from Egypt and had the words changed in the 4th century by gnostics and Egyptian philosophers. The Old Testament also was altered in the Alexandrian texts. The catholic bibles also contain the apocrypha which is not considered to be inspired scripture by Jews or protestants. [The Alexandrian manuscripts codex vaticanus and codex sinaiticus are the corrupted manuscripts in question.]
The only real protestant bibles are translated from the massoretic text of the Jews for the genuine unaltered Old Testament, and the byzantine (also called textus receptus) for the real unaltered, New Testament.
The King James version, Luther,s German bible, the Tyndale bible are examples of true protestant bibles.
Most modern versions such as the NIV, NASB,RV, etc. also have the corrupted Alexandrian text manuscripts mixed in them and they are about 5% in error. (words added, deleted, changed)
Most modern versions are really catholic bibles with the apocrypha removed and translated into modern English. They are not really protestant bibles.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/21/2007 11:09:53 AM
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turretinfan
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Discuss the differences between the Catholic version of the Bible and the protestant version.
The catholic version of the bible contains the byzantine or majority text mixed with corrupted Alexandrian manuscripts which come from Egypt and had the words changed in the 4th century by gnostics and Egyptian philosophers. The Old Testament also was altered in the Alexandrian texts. The catholic bibles also contain the apocrypha which is not considered to be inspired scripture by Jews or protestants. [The Alexandrian manuscripts codex vaticanus and codex sinaiticus are the corrupted manuscripts in question.]
The only real protestant bibles are translated from the massoretic text of the Jews for the genuine unaltered Old Testament, and the byzantine (also called textus receptus) for the real unaltered, New Testament.
The King James version, Luther,s German bible, the Tyndale bible are examples of true protestant bibles.
Most modern versions such as the NIV, NASB,RV, etc. also have the corrupted Alexandrian text manuscripts mixed in them and they are about 5% in error. (words added, deleted, changed)
Most modern versions are really catholic bibles with the apocrypha removed and translated into modern English. They are not really protestant bibles.
A) The Catholic Bible is in Latin.
B) The Latin Bible experienced the same corruption due to the influence of modern textual criticism (i.e. by revising in view of the Alexandrian texts) as have the modern "Protestant" Bibles.
There are some differences between the textus receptus and the Vulgate of the 16th century (and as well between the canonical books of the LXX and the Masoretic text), but the main significant difference between the Protestand and Catholic Bibles is the apocrypha.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/21/2007 2:42:54 PM
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The only real protestant bibles are translated from...
Translated...by whom??? Where did this translator get his/her training?
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/21/2007 11:18:46 PM
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ORIGINAL: antiaging
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ORIGINAL: Fritzpw_Admin
Discuss the differences between the Catholic version of the Bible and the protestant version.
The catholic version of the bible contains the byzantine or majority text mixed with corrupted Alexandrian manuscripts which come from Egypt and had the words changed in the 4th century by gnostics and Egyptian philosophers. The Old Testament also was altered in the Alexandrian texts. The catholic bibles also contain the apocrypha which is not considered to be inspired scripture by Jews or protestants. [The Alexandrian manuscripts codex vaticanus and codex sinaiticus are the corrupted manuscripts in question.]
The only real protestant bibles are translated from the massoretic text of the Jews for the genuine unaltered Old Testament, and the byzantine (also called textus receptus) for the real unaltered, New Testament.
The King James version, Luther,s German bible, the Tyndale bible are examples of true protestant bibles.
Most modern versions such as the NIV, NASB,RV, etc. also have the corrupted Alexandrian text manuscripts mixed in them and they are about 5% in error. (words added, deleted, changed)
Most modern versions are really catholic bibles with the apocrypha removed and translated into modern English. They are not really protestant bibles.
A) The Catholic Bible is in Latin.
B) The Latin Bible experienced the same corruption due to the influence of modern textual criticism (i.e. by revising in view of the Alexandrian texts) as have the modern "Protestant" Bibles.
There are some differences between the textus receptus and the Vulgate of the 16th century (and as well between the canonical books of the LXX and the Masoretic text), but the main significant difference between the Protestand and Catholic Bibles is the apocrypha.
-Turretinfan
The revisions using the Alexandrian text are very significant.
1John 5:7 was removed by gnostics that did not believe the trinity.
According to the book, "let's weigh the evidence, which bible is the real Word of God, by Barry Burton, the changes made in the corrupted Alexandrian text and put in the modern bibles attacks important fundamentals of the Christian faith.
Additions, deletions and changes attack:
The Deity of Christ
Salvation by faith and the atonement
The Word of God
The virgin birth
He gives numerous scriptures from the RSV and NASB compared to the King James version (Textus Receptus) to prove this.
Those corruptions in the modern versions are important and significant.
Would you rather go into a spiritual warfare against Satan and his lies with a sword or a butter knife?!
The bible calls the Word of God the Sword of the Spirit Ephesians 6:17.
I could list some of the Alexandrian corruptions in the NASB, RSV, ETC but they are many and it is time consuming to type all of that.
They do attack important Christian doctrines like he says.
The King James version is the best translation of the real unaltered text in English. However, it is in middle english, not modern English.
The KJV bible translators were the best linguistics men in the universities in England in their day.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 9/21/2007 11:21:32 PM
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/13/2007 2:29:29 PM
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In another THREAD, Papa-san said:
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EDIT: Also, I don't do the New American Bible. That's one of the ones that has many instances of changing scripture to reduce the deity of Christ, and cast question on the integrity of His word...
I believe he is confusing the New American Bible (the American Catholic translation) with the New World Translation (the Jehovah's Witness Bible), but in case he is not, I would like to discuss it.
The Catholic church believes that Jesus Christ is God the Son--fully God and fully human (Hypostatic Union).
Please give specific references to where you believe the NAB has "changed Scripture to reduce the deity of Christ."
--edited for spelling
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/14/2007 3:44:56 AM
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I bought a beautiful family heirloom Catholic Bible at a thrift store for $2. I have tried to read this version with their inserted books. Those books do not sound in anyway like they were written by the Holy Spirit. I know immediately when I have wandered into one of them, because it sounds phony, faked or contrived. I'm sorry, but the Bible is copyrighted by God Almighty and no one has the right to insert anything into it.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/15/2007 1:57:35 PM
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Considering that even the original Authorized King James Version included these books, it should be clear that they were not added, Softrain.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/15/2007 7:58:44 PM
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version with their inserted books
The books in question were removed during the Reformation, prior to that they were considered part of the Bible since there was a Bible.
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Those books do not sound in anyway like they were written by the Holy Spirit.
Sounds lto me ike you have never read Wisdom or Sirach.
I would suggest giving them a try.
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the Bible is copyrighted by God Almighty and no one has the right to insert anything into it.
I would guess He's not too happy about people removing books either. ;)
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/15/2007 8:03:07 PM
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Here's a sampling.
Sirach Chapter 2
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My son, when you come to serve the LORD, prepare yourself for trials.
Be sincere of heart and steadfast, undisturbed in time of adversity.
Cling to him, forsake him not; thus will your future be great.
Accept whatever befalls you, in crushing misfortune be patient;
For in fire gold is tested, and worthy men in the crucible of humiliation.
Trust God and he will help you; make straight your ways and hope in him.
You who fear the LORD, wait for his mercy, turn not away lest you fall.
You who fear the LORD, trust him, and your reward will not be lost.
You who fear the LORD, hope for good things, for lasting joy and mercy.
Study the generations long past and understand; has anyone hoped in the LORD and been disappointed? Has anyone persevered in his fear and been forsaken? has anyone called upon him and been rebuffed?
Compassionate and merciful is the LORD; he forgives sins, he saves in time of trouble.
Woe to craven hearts and drooping hands, to the sinner who treads a double path!
Woe to the faint of heart who trust not, who therefore will have no shelter!
Woe to you who have lost hope! what will you do at the visitation of the LORD?
Those who fear the LORD disobey not his words; those who love him keep his ways.
Those who fear the LORD seek to please him, those who love him are filled with his law.
Those who fear the LORD prepare their hearts and humble themselves before him.
Let us fall into the hands of the LORD and not into the hands of men, For equal to his majesty is the mercy that he shows.
Peace,
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/15/2007 11:50:19 PM
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ORIGINAL: Dona Nobis Pacem
Here's a sampling.
Sirach Chapter 2
quote:
My son, when you come to serve the LORD, prepare yourself for trials.
Be sincere of heart and steadfast, undisturbed in time of adversity.
Cling to him, forsake him not; thus will your future be great.
Accept whatever befalls you, in crushing misfortune be patient;
For in fire gold is tested, and worthy men in the crucible of humiliation.
Trust God and he will help you; make straight your ways and hope in him.
You who fear the LORD, wait for his mercy, turn not away lest you fall.
You who fear the LORD, trust him, and your reward will not be lost.
You who fear the LORD, hope for good things, for lasting joy and mercy.
Study the generations long past and understand; has anyone hoped in the LORD and been disappointed? Has anyone persevered in his fear and been forsaken? has anyone called upon him and been rebuffed?
Compassionate and merciful is the LORD; he forgives sins, he saves in time of trouble.
Woe to craven hearts and drooping hands, to the sinner who treads a double path!
Woe to the faint of heart who trust not, who therefore will have no shelter!
Woe to you who have lost hope! what will you do at the visitation of the LORD?
Those who fear the LORD disobey not his words; those who love him keep his ways.
Those who fear the LORD seek to please him, those who love him are filled with his law.
Those who fear the LORD prepare their hearts and humble themselves before him.
Let us fall into the hands of the LORD and not into the hands of men, For equal to his majesty is the mercy that he shows.
Peace,
DNP
Dona,
The words fall flat. Sorry.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/16/2007 12:33:02 AM
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I dont feel like reading 14 pages of text that probably mostly consists of extremes of both anti and pro Catholic POV's. IE ("If you dont believe these books are of God you are going to hell" or "If you believe these books are of God you are going to hell") Sure that itself maybe extreme but I find such discussions like this eventually lead to those two extremes.
Personally, I believe that while the Apocryphal/Deuterocanonical Books are not the word OF God, I believe they offer valuable insight into Jewish life and culture during the intertestamental period. These works are as valuable if not slightly more valuable as the writings of people like Josephus. These books offer valuable insight into the time they were written. As such, while the average believer may not feel the need to read these, I believe anyone called to the ministry should have knowledge of these books, and the insights they offer. Even if they are not divinely authored.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/16/2007 1:57:29 PM
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The words fall flat. Sorry.
I'm not the one deserving of an apology.
Fall flat, I hardly think so.
Although there are many allusions/quotes we could find, here are just a few.
FYI,
All quotes from the NAB
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Sirach 2:1-2
My son, when you come to serve the LORD, prepare yourself for trials.
Be sincere of heart and steadfast, undisturbed in time of adversity.
John 15:18-20
"If the world hates you, realize that it hated me first.
If you belonged to the world, the world would love its own; but because you do not belong to the world, and I have chosen you out of the world, the world hates you.
Remember the word I spoke to you, 'No slave is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you.
2 Tim 3:12
In fact, all who want to live religiously in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
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Sirach 2:15,16
Those who fear the LORD disobey not his words; those who love him keep his ways.
Those who fear the LORD seek to please him, those who love him are filled with his law.
John 14:23,24
Jesus answered and said to him, "Whoever loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him.
Whoever does not love me does not keep my words; yet the word you hear is not mine but that of the Father who sent me.
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Sirach 2:10,11
Study the generations long past and understand; has anyone hoped in the LORD and been disappointed? Has anyone persevered in his fear and been forsaken? has anyone called upon him and been rebuffed?
Compassionate and merciful is the LORD; he forgives sins, he saves in time of trouble.
Psalm 145:18,19
You, LORD, are near to all who call upon you, to all who call upon you in truth.
You satisfy the desire of those who fear you; you hear their cry and save them.
Psalm 103:8
Merciful and gracious is the LORD, slow to anger, abounding in kindness.
Psalm 30:3,4
O LORD, my God, I cried out to you and you healed me.
LORD, you brought me up from Sheol; you kept me from going down to the pit.
Romans 10:13
For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Peace,
DNP
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Pray the Chaplet of Divine Mercy.
For the sake of His sorrowful Passion,
Have mercy on us, and on the whole world.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/17/2007 9:51:59 PM
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softrain
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ORIGINAL: Dona Nobis Pacem
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The words fall flat. Sorry.
I'm not the one deserving of an apology.
Fall flat, I hardly think so.
Although there are many allusions/quotes we could find, here are just a few.
FYI,
All quotes from the NAB
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Sirach 2:1-2
My son, when you come to serve the LORD, prepare yourself for trials.
Be sincere of heart and steadfast, undisturbed in time of adversity.
John 15:18-20
"If the world hates you, realize that it hated me first.
If you belonged to the world, the world would love its own; but because you do not belong to the world, and I have chosen you out of the world, the world hates you.
Remember the word I spoke to you, 'No slave is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will also persecute you.
2 Tim 3:12
In fact, all who want to live religiously in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
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Sirach 2:15,16
Those who fear the LORD disobey not his words; those who love him keep his ways.
Those who fear the LORD seek to please him, those who love him are filled with his law.
John 14:23,24
Jesus answered and said to him, "Whoever loves me will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and we will come to him and make our dwelling with him.
Whoever does not love me does not keep my words; yet the word you hear is not mine but that of the Father who sent me.
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Sirach 2:10,11
Study the generations long past and understand; has anyone hoped in the LORD and been disappointed? Has anyone persevered in his fear and been forsaken? has anyone called upon him and been rebuffed?
Compassionate and merciful is the LORD; he forgives sins, he saves in time of trouble.
Psalm 145:18,19
You, LORD, are near to all who call upon you, to all who call upon you in truth.
You satisfy the desire of those who fear you; you hear their cry and save them.
Psalm 103:8
Merciful and gracious is the LORD, slow to anger, abounding in kindness.
Psalm 30:3,4
O LORD, my God, I cried out to you and you healed me.
LORD, you brought me up from Sheol; you kept me from going down to the pit.
Romans 10:13
For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
Peace,
DNP
Putting the Catholic writings or the Mormon writings with the Bible doesn't make them holy. The Word of God is sharper than any two-edged sword.
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Psalm 18:28 For you will light my lamp, Yahweh. My God will light up my darkness.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/19/2007 3:40:27 AM
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The books in question were removed during the Reformation, prior to that they were considered part of the Bible since there was a Bible. While they were included for a time, it also was made clear they were not inspired words. They were never considered to be Holy Scripture and for good reason - they are not.
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 10/19/2007 10:40:48 AM
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rockominal
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ORIGINAL: ToolmanUF
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ORIGINAL: lss44
So,
CCC is to Catholicism and the Catholic Bible
as
Book of Mormon is to Mormonism and the Protestant Bible??
Absolutely not. The Catholic Church doesn't consider the Catechism to be inspired in the sense that Mormons do the book of Mormon. It is simply a reference book which can be used to see what the Catholic Church teaches. All devout Catholics should agree with the Catechism 100%, as it is the Catholic faith in a nutshell.
Indeed. In that case:
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82 As a result the Church, to whom the transmission and interpretation of Revelation is entrusted, "does not derive her certainty about all revealed truths from the holy Scriptures alone.
where did Paul, John, or Peter use the pronoun "her" when describing the church?
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< Message edited by rockominal -- 10/19/2007 11:23:35 AM >
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I might tell you the truth, or something pretty close to it. You might even know the truth.
Jesus says, "I AM the truth."
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RE: Catholic Vs. Protestant Bible - 11/4/2007 6:20:00 PM
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PeterD
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Hello!
In the Bible Catholics and Protestants read....
Ephesians 4:1-5(NIV)
Unity in the Body of Christ
1As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit—just as you were | | |
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