|
Users viewing this topic:
none
|
|
Login  | |
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/26/2007 3:31:57 PM
|
|
|
Brooke313
Posts: 122
Joined: 10/24/2006
Status: offline
|
I just read a great book on this subject. "Why Christians Can't Trust Psychology" By Ed Bulkley. It is very informative on the subject of psychology and mental health.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2007 3:46:37 AM
|
|
|
DontBefraidtocare
Posts: 40
Joined: 11/28/2005
Status: offline
|
Psychology is a theoretical science, there was a test that found that people who faked mental illness were not recognized as faking and were put in institutions. It can be found on youtube under the the thud expirement. Good pyschiatry is like shamanism.
_____________________________
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
-Guess
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2007 9:45:14 AM
|
|
|
womaninchrist
Posts: 417
Joined: 4/14/2005
Status: offline
|
People can fake other illnesses too, does that make all medicine "like shamanism"? And no offense, but I'm not about to base any decisions on references from YouTube.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2007 10:39:53 AM
|
|
|
rene32261
Posts: 10
Joined: 7/18/2007
Status: offline
|
I cant began to beleive people fake mental illness.If you ever live it you will never began to thin of faking it.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/27/2007 10:41:00 AM
|
|
|
rene32261
Posts: 10
Joined: 7/18/2007
Status: offline
|
think sorry spelling not great this morning..
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/28/2007 8:50:41 PM
|
|
|
DenimDiva
Posts: 2979
Joined: 9/28/2007
From: Concord, CA
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: agapetos
quote:
ORIGINAL: DontBefraidtocare
Psychology is a theoretical science, there was a test that found that people who faked mental illness were not recognized as faking and were put in institutions. It can be found on youtube under the the thud expirement. Good pyschiatry is like shamanism.
I rather suspect that people who 'faked' mental illness to be put into an institution must have had some mental illness to want to go into an institution.
quote:
And no offense, but I'm not about to base any decisions on references from YouTube. Nor me 
I agree on both counts!
_____________________________
Roberta
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/30/2007 1:18:14 AM
|
|
|
Grick
Posts: 98
Joined: 10/21/2006
From: Richmond, Virginia
Status: offline
|
I have heard of this attitude towards patients but my experience has been generally positive. Of course, I have a number of health problems and have heard both positive and negative things about all sorts of doctors.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 9/30/2007 11:24:30 AM
|
|
|
agapetos
Posts: 5314
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: This side of the lil duck pond!
Status: offline
|
quote:
One issue I have is medical professionals' treatment of the mentally ill as if the latter group are stupid and don't know anything.
There are other times that someone treated me like an dummy because I have mental illness, but right now I can't think of any. Does anyone else think that this shouldn't be happening as I do? Not all medical professionals think this way. But it shouldn't be happening.
_____________________________
The loose cannon inside the ship is far more dangerous
than the storm that rages outside the ship.
My blog
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 10/8/2007 10:34:51 PM
|
|
|
HeSustains
Posts: 89
Joined: 8/17/2007
Status: offline
|
I am a MD (not a psychiatrist) and have considerable understanding of mental diseases, and I also have the personal experience of having a 31 y/o son who was diagnosed with bipolar disease, and another son who struggled with depression since his teens until he took his own life at the age of 26 one year ago. Bipolar disease and clinical depression are similar in that they are both the result of a chemical imbalance in the brain. It is just as much a medical disease as diabetes or hypertension.
Some people with these diseases can be helped through medication, some require counseling, and some require both. Unfortunately, many such as the son that I lost, are incapable of realizing that the depression they feel is not normal, and as a result refuse treatment and hide their feelings of despair. Their depression is sometimes expressed as irritability or anger, as well as withdrawal from others. It is sometimes easy for loved ones of someone suffering from depression to ignore the signals, when the individual affected has learned to hide his sense of despair.
After my son's death I found a journal he had written several years earlier, at a time in which he was not outwardly depressed. Several of the journal entries revealed his depression and sense of despair. But the comforting message that I received from his journal was that although in life he had not acknowledged Jesus as his savior, his journal made it quite clear that he had. Because of his depression, he felt that he could not live up to expectations of others, and so was unable to tell others of his faith.
We are all subject to the risk of medical or mental problems as a result of our physical existence. Just as God does not always heal physical diseases, He does not always heal mental disease as well. I cannot comprehend why my son was not healed of his depression as I had prayed, but I know in the end that God is in control as He gave me comfort in the discovery that my son had indeed accepted Jesus as his savior.
My prayer is that anyone who suffers from depression seek treatment and that loved ones of those so afflilcted encourage treatment so that the one who is suffering can know the love of others and the love of God.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 10/9/2007 6:17:53 PM
|
|
|
DenimDiva
Posts: 2979
Joined: 9/28/2007
From: Concord, CA
Status: offline
|
HeSustains- I am so very sorry to hear about your loss!
_____________________________
Roberta
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 10/29/2007 1:22:47 PM
|
|
|
cow451
Posts: 3523
Joined: 5/6/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: rene32261
I cant began to beleive people fake mental illness.If you ever live it you will never began to thin of faking it.
Why would anybody want to fake mental illness, LOL? So you can go to a psych hospital????????????? Now, maybe if you had killed somebody, OK. But the insanity defense is the least likely defense to succeed.
_____________________________
Wer weiß, was Übel im Herzen der Männer lauert? Nur der Schatten weiß. Giants 17 Patriots 14.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 12/2/2007 8:02:29 PM
|
|
|
FoxInSox
Posts: 1364
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: dallas
Status: offline
|
I have a feeling I'm going to regret this....but...here goes...
Those of you who are anti-counseling (secular or otherwise), I'm curious about something.
Suppose someone comes to you with a problem like depressions (the extensive, long term, kind) or anxiety (perhaps the kind that keeps one trapped in one's home, like agorophobia) or suicidal ideation.
What is your ideal advice? What is your ideal treatment?
Thanks,
Michelle
_____________________________
~ formerly infinitepiphany ~
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 12/2/2007 8:10:44 PM
|
|
|
Closie
Posts: 391
Joined: 4/14/2005
Status: offline
|
There are charlatans and false teachers in all walks of life therefore in all institutions. All physicians aren't good. Nor are all preachers or singers or policeman or hairdressers. We have to use discernment when seeking assistance.
I thank God for my Chrisitan Ob/Gyn. A group of Christian women formed the practice. In their mission statement, they explain that they will not give contraception to unmarried women, they will not perform abortion or provide abortion counseling, and they won't fake medical excuses for a person to be off work. A friend was having fertility problems and was referred to someone for in-vitro who only implants three eggs at the most so there won't leftover embryos (may have my terms wrong). When I was facing surgery that was going to mark a major change in my life, my doctor suggested talking to a Christian counselor. I went to a seminary and was served by a counseling student who was supervised by licensed personnel. She didn't babysit me nor was I dependent on her to make a move. I was depressed about the condition. Her goal was to help me come to grips with God's plan for my life. Each session began and ended with prayer that the Lord would lead both us as He saw fit: her to say the right words; me to accept His words and plans.
BTW, malingering is not a term used just with mental illness
I read about a case of a guy who pretended to have a hearing problem so that he'd some workmen's comp money. Stupid of him. In another case, a nurse who had Alzheimers, early onset, pretended that the Alzheimers was worse than it was so that she could say some ugly things to people around her. Mental illness may be faked by some, but like Alz or deafness, it's real in the lives of so many people who love the Lord.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 12/2/2007 10:31:15 PM
|
|
|
womaninchrist
Posts: 417
Joined: 4/14/2005
Status: offline
|
Discernment is ultimately the key. I've had much better luck getting good counseling (or psychiatric care) in line with Biblical guidelines by going to secular providers and filtering it myself than by going specifically to Christian psychiatrists and counselors. It was just baffling the unbiblical stuff or unsound medical advice that some of the "christian" counselors counseled... Never, ever presume that you're getting sound & Biblical counseling (or medical care) just because the provider states they're Christian.
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 12/3/2007 1:37:29 PM
|
|
|
cow451
Posts: 3523
Joined: 5/6/2005
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: womaninchrist
Discernment is ultimately the key. I've had much better luck getting good counseling (or psychiatric care) in line with Biblical guidelines by going to secular providers and filtering it myself than by going specifically to Christian psychiatrists and counselors. It was just baffling the unbiblical stuff or unsound medical advice that some of the "christian" counselors counseled... Never, ever presume that you're getting sound & Biblical counseling (or medical care) just because the provider states they're Christian.
Sad but soooooooooooooooooooooooo true.
_____________________________
Wer weiß, was Übel im Herzen der Männer lauert? Nur der Schatten weiß. Giants 17 Patriots 14.
|
|
|
|
|
[Deleted] - 12/5/2007 2:08:51 PM
|
|
|
Deleted User
|
[Deleted by Admins]
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 12/5/2007 5:30:54 PM
|
|
|
FoxInSox
Posts: 1364
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: dallas
Status: offline
|
deadhead,
when you say your wife had that, did she suffer from all of the above or some or one of the examples? which one (that's mostly curiousity).
now, what of the people who have said problems who ARE already beleivers? what is your advice for them?
thanks,
michelle
_____________________________
~ formerly infinitepiphany ~
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 12/7/2007 5:07:02 AM
|
|
|
agapetos
Posts: 5314
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: This side of the lil duck pond!
Status: offline
|
quote:
when you say your wife had that, did she suffer from all of the above or some or one of the examples? which one (that's mostly curiousity). I assumed he was talking about being trapped in one's home since that was the one in bold.
_____________________________
The loose cannon inside the ship is far more dangerous
than the storm that rages outside the ship.
My blog
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 12/7/2007 9:15:24 AM
|
|
|
FoxInSox
Posts: 1364
Joined: 4/11/2005
From: dallas
Status: offline
|
agapetos,
lol @ me...thanks :)
_____________________________
~ formerly infinitepiphany ~
|
|
|
|
|
RE: Mental Health Debate - One Stop Thread - 12/7/2007 9:46:49 AM
|
|
|
SteveSund
Posts: 686
Joined: 11/8/2005
From: Michigan
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Closie
BTW, malingering is not a term used just with mental illness
I read about a case of a guy who pretended to have a hearing problem so that he'd some workmen's comp money. Stupid of him. In another case, a nurse who had Alzheimers, early onset, pretended that the Alzheimers was worse than it was so that she could say some ugly things to people around her. Mental illness may be faked by some, but like Alz or deafness, it's real in the lives of so many people who love the Lord.
People fake illnesses all of the time to collect disability or prevail in a lawsuit. Having worked in the mental health field, I saw plenty that tried to claim a mental disability. Fortunately, they rarely won. I have no doubt that a person could fake a mental illness, but it wouldn't be easy, IMO.
|
|
|
|
 New Messages |
 No New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/ New Messages |
 Hot Topic w/o New Messages |
 Locked w/ New Messages |
 Locked w/o New Messages |
|
 Post New Thread
Reply to Message
Post New Poll
Submit Vote
Delete My Own Post
Delete My Own Thread
Rate Posts |
|
|
Forum Tools
Printable Version
I guess I'm not the only ant-Christian Christian then 
I tried to tell him that I was using my coping skills, but he didn't listen to me. He thought he knew everything because he's a pdoc, but really he didn't know you know what. It took several hospitalizations and pdocs before I found one who actually listened to me and prescribed me the medication that continues to help me to this day. 
