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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/29/2006 7:15:15 PM
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stampinlady
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I've nevr heard of a christian organization accepting money from the government. Which ones are these?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 11:02:57 AM
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Jhud
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I've nevr heard of a christian organization accepting money from the government. Which ones are these?
I think almost all accredited colleges can utilize federal and state monies.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 1:05:38 PM
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So, see, our genuine concern is Very warrented over the permission of this bill.
But what is it that the bill would force you to do that you aren't already doing?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 1:14:09 PM
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All state institutions (or that get governmental aid) have to agree that homosexuality is right and 'okay' and that will go against many foundational doctrines.
I think that's taking it a bit far. Nowhere in the bill does it say that agencies have to agree that homosexuality is "right" and "OK," they simply have to refrain from discrimination against homosexuals if they wish to get state funds (e.g, they can't fire a cafeteria worker just because they're gay, or kick out a student just because they're gay if they want to recieve government funding.)
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 1:38:05 PM
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Jhud
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Christian adoption agencies will be affected - this truly hits across the board and we are IGNORANT if we think this won't move to the East eventually. (Especially if this is viewed as "Okay, and not a big deal")
Actually, this is already happening in some places:
Banned in Boston
CATHOLIC CHARITIES OF BOSTON made the announcement on March 10: It was getting out of the adoption business. "We have encountered a dilemma we cannot resolve. . . . The issue is adoption to same-sex couples."
It was shocking news. Catholic Charities of Boston, one of the nation's oldest adoption agencies, had long specialized in finding good homes for hard to place kids. "Catholic Charities was always at the top of the list," Paula Wisnewski, director of adoption for the Home for Little Wanderers, told the Boston Globe. "It's a shame because it is certainly going to mean that fewer children from foster care are going to find permanent homes." Marylou Sudders, president of the Massachusetts Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children, said simply, "This is a tragedy for kids."
How did this tragedy happen?...
But getting square with the church didn't end Catholic Charities' woes. To operate in Massachusetts, an adoption agency must be licensed by the state. And to get a license, an agency must pledge to obey state laws barring discrimination--including the decade-old ban on orientation discrimination. With the legalization of gay marriage in the state, discrimination against same-sex couples would be outlawed, too.
Cardinal O'Malley asked Governor Mitt Romney for a religious exemption from the ban on orientation discrimination. Governor Romney reluctantly responded that he lacked legal authority to grant one unilaterally, by executive order. So the governor and archbishop turned to the state legislature, requesting a conscience exemption that would allow Catholic Charities to continue to help kids in a manner consistent with Catholic teaching.
To date, not a single other Massachusetts political leader appears willing to consider even the narrowest religious exemption. Lieutenant Governor Kerry Healey, the Republican candidate for governor in this fall's election, refused to budge: "I believe that any institution that wants to provide services that are regulated by the state has to abide by the laws of the state," Healey told the Boston Globe on March 2, "and our antidiscrimination laws are some of our most important."
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 1:48:04 PM
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Yes, and state aid goes towards workstudy also. (Students work to and get paid through state funds depending on their EFC on the FAFSA.)
Are you saying that gay students should not get federal or state financial aid? How about students that are of other faiths or atheists? Do they not qualify either? If a Christian school wants the freedom to only admit students that fit a specific criteria (i.e. they must be of a certain denomination or race or background) then they need to operate as a privately funded institution.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 3:01:59 PM
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henny
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No, I am saying that schools have to AGREE that Homosexuality is right and if they DON'T then they will lose ALL state funds.
How would this agreement take place? Would it be in the signing of some sort of document that says "We hereby agree that homosexuality is right.."?
I guess I don't see why not firing people because they are gay does this? They have the right to hire and fire who they choose, but if they are going to discriminatte aginst homosexuality in this it just means that they can no longer get state funding.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 3:13:43 PM
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How would this agreement take place? Would it be in the signing of some sort of document that says "We hereby agree that homosexuality is right.."?
I guess I don't see why not firing people because they are gay does this? They have the right to hire and fire who they choose, but if they are going to discriminatte aginst homosexuality in this it just means that they can no longer get state funding.
I don't think you quite get it. If say a Catholic school (or conservative Christian school, of the sort my daughter attends) decides not to fund the Gay Student Outreach with student fees, or says openly homosexual students can't express their opinions (or affections) about homosexuality on campus, or that they won't provide student housing for gay couples, or resources for directed toward gay students, then they can lose any state funding they get.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 4:19:56 PM
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Jhud
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Thank you for bringing it up. If this were happening in my state I would fight it tooth and nail.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 5:59:06 PM
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Phillybeliever
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No, I am saying that schools have to AGREE that Homosexuality is right and if they DON'T then they will lose ALL state funds.
Are you saying that Christian schools also have to AGREE with atheism or with Islam or AGREE that it's o.k. to smoke or drink in order to not lose ALL state funds? All of these issues are ALREADY present at Christian schools (at least at the college level). How is not discriminating against a gay student any different?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 6:14:31 PM
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Phillybeliever
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I don't think you quite get it. If say a Catholic school (or conservative Christian school, of the sort my daughter attends) decides not to fund the Gay Student Outreach with student fees, or says openly homosexual students can't express their opinions (or affections) about homosexuality on campus, or that they won't provide student housing for gay couples, or resources for directed toward gay students, then they can lose any state funding they get.
I may be wrong, but I thought religious schools couldn't get federal/state funding due to separation of church/state issues. As I said previously, the government allows religious schools to operate as PRIVATE entities where they can discriminate to their hearts content. If I want to operate an Islamic University and only admit, hire and provide student activities to young muslim arab males, I shouldn't expect to receive funding from the state or government which prohibits that type of discrimination.
This is no different than schools that accept funding from federal or state government agencies and have to fulfill "no child left behind" or "standards of learning" guidelines. While may schools have the option NOT to take the funding, those that do and fail to meet the standards can lose their funding.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 7:40:56 PM
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Do grants and scholarships count? I don't think BJU accepts anything from the government and I knwo our christian school doesn't. Isn't this bill just saying that you can't discriminate against homsexuals? I was under the impression that most states have this in place. I know the city of Chicago has something like this in place. Does that mean I shouldn't step foot in Chicago? Most companies have adopted this too. I thought that only religious groups were exempt from this. And again what religious group is going to except money from the government?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 8:13:00 PM
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Phillybeliever
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I already TOLD you that you are wrong - they DO get funding from state and federal for student grants, scholarships, etc.
So schools accepting federal/state grants or scholarships ALREADY force schools to accept as "right" and "o.k." things that go against biblical doctrines such as granting aid to students of different faiths (Muslim, Hindu, Budhists, etc.) granting aid to students who may not even believe in God, who smoke, drink, view porn, lie, gossip, cheat on exams, etc. I don't see how adding sexual orientation to anti-discrimination laws forces Christians to "accept" homosexuality anymore than the legality of smoking, alcohol or porn force Christians to "accept" those sins.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/30/2006 9:01:30 PM
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Oregon student newspaper runs pictures of Jesus as a homosexual. (IT WAS ADVISED TO CONTINUE TOPICS HERE & DISCUSSIONS, AS OUR FEDERAL TAXES GO TO SUPPORT THIS SCHOOL, ANY CITIZEN HAS THE RIGHT TO OPINE...)
The Associated Students of the University of Oregon (ASUO) has refused to apologize for an obscene anti-Christian assault in the campus newspaper Insurgent.
The March edition of the Insurgent ran one of the strongest attacks on Christianity I have seen. The paper ran graphics depicting Jesus as a homosexual. One was a depiction of a naked Jesus on the cross with an erection; the other, titled Resurrection, showed a naked Jesus kissing another naked man, both sporting erections.
When asked for an apology by Students of Faith, ASUO refused to give one saying that "there are no grounds for demanding an apology from Insurgent." The ASUO went on to defend the publication saying that the newspaper contributes "to the cultural and physical development of the university community."
The Insurgent would never show a naked graphic of the Rev. Martin Luther King kissing another man. But offending Christians was of no concern to the Insurgent or to University President Dave Frohmayer.
The ASUO Women's Center tolerates no defamation against gays and lesbians. Three years ago, ASUO demanded that the university radio station, KUGN, drop Michael Savage (a conservative talk show host). The university promptly discontinued the program. But depicting Jesus as a homosexual is perfectly OK.
Here is what Insurgent Student Editor Jessica Brown had to say about the graphics. "I have to say it is really fun to offend people. It is fun to break the rules. If it <edited> people off…good that's the point!!! It has here in this office. So read, get <edited> and talk about it."
Incidentally, the University forces all students, including Christians, to pay student dues of $191.00 per term, part of which goes to support the Insurgent.
It is important for them to become aware of the growing anti-Christian bias in our country. It is time for Christians to speak out saying that bigotry against Christians—or any faith—is unacceptable. Share this information with others in your church and Sunday school.
SOURCE: American Family Association (no link provided).
you know what's interesting? try to do this with Muhammed kissing another man? those reporters would be dead by now. it's ok to attack christians, but God forbid you can't do this with anyone else. well, Jesus said this would happen. But if i know Jesus, He would want us to preach the good news and ignore this ignorance.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/31/2006 12:26:03 PM
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stampinlady
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Well if it's true that they won't give out grants and student loans to schools that don't comly then churches and chritians school will have to come up with their own loan programs, which might be a better way to use oyur money.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/31/2006 2:44:45 PM
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Jhud
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Well if it's true that they won't give out grants and student loans to schools that don't comly then churches and chritians school will have to come up with their own loan programs, which might be a better way to use oyur money.
I would be glad to do that provided the Federal government and the state allow me to deduct that portion of my tax dollars going to fund grants and loans.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/31/2006 3:46:25 PM
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Many Christian colleges do. College of the Southwest in Hobbs, NM (where I used to work) gets federal aid, state aid, and state scholarships for their students. The students apply for a FAFSA and the government tells them what can be paid to the student.
The Christian College I attended set-up a Racial Diversity Office on campus which has only led to a war between the theologians vs. the liberal humanists on campus. The school is now in a bind, because it has to keep the office or it will not receive state funding and it will be sued for racial discrimination. But the libs are destroying its witness and its purpose for existence. As for this law by uberliberal Schwartzenegger ia a travesty and I would recommend that all Christians and people of moral compass in California stop paying taxes to the state. Things will get pretty tough for him pretty quick.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 8/31/2006 7:55:47 PM
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stampinlady
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I would think you could as long as the government doesn't take away charitable contributions. Wouldn't it be part of your tithes and offernings?
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Well if it's true that they won't give out grants and student loans to schools that don't comly then churches and chritians school will have to come up with their own loan programs, which might be a better way to use oyur money.
I would be glad to do that provided the Federal government and the state allow me to deduct that portion of my tax dollars going to fund grants and loans.
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