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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/17/2008 3:04:55 AM
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As I begin my post, please take great notice that I am not defending homosexuality. I am merely speaking on what I believe are some exaggerations. Okay, here goes.
SilverName, you'll probably have more affect if you use New Testament verses. I'm sure you know that. Like when you said some sins are worse than others, that's why they're punishable by death...isn't that a little Old Testament?
All sexual activity outside of marriage should be criminalized? I don't believe that one's going to happen, guy. Excuse me if I'm wrong in this assumption, but from your posts I gather that you want the US to be a Christian theocracy? That also will most definitely not happen.
I do, however, have one more thing to say. Islamic terrorism can't win against a society that has a strong Christian moral foundation? I guess Nero didn't use Christians as torches in his garden either...I imagine toddlers could win against a society that has a strong Christian moral foundation if that's what God willed.
Your article said they interviewed her about the "hateful words and thinly veiled threats she's been forced to endure." She called homosexuality "deadly" and said it's worse than terrorism. What did she expect? I guess you know, her week or two of threats is worse than being disowned from your parents for being something you feel you can't change. I'm sure that week of threats is worse than having "hateful words and thinly veiled threats" for your entire life. I'm sure it's worse than having friends murdered for being gay. I'm sure it's worse than waking up each day knowing you'll have to experience it all over again. You're right. She's the brave woman. Not the millions who experience that.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/17/2008 3:37:17 AM
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I don't know if anyone's been keeping dibs on this, but word out of the UK has this Iranian gay teen, trying to seek asylum in The Netherlands (since the former is a bureaucratic no-go), given that his companion was executed by Iranian authorities (no surprise given Pres. Ahmadinejad's Columbia U. comments). But now that even The Netherlands had to deny asylum for the Iranian teen, the reasons of which I don't know specifically--the same Netherlands world-renown for not only legalized hash bars and brothels, but likewise with one of a few Western nations with legalized gay marriage.
I don't have a news link yet, but I might later on, if someone else hadn't already done it for me. 
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/17/2008 3:46:41 AM
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OK... here's one such link
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=4413302&page=1
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/17/2008 7:55:19 AM
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Lawmaker Threatened for Comparing Gay Lifestyle to Terrorism
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Katherine T. Phan
Christian Post Reporter
Sat, Mar. 15 2008 08:54 AM ET
An Oklahoma lawmaker has received thousands of hostile e-mails and voice messages that included death threats for speaking out about homosexuality and labeling it a bigger threat to America than terrorism or Islam.
"I'm not anti, I'm not gay bashing but according to God's word, that is not the right kind of lifestyle," said State Rep. Sally Kern at a Republican event in January.
Her comments generated national attention after pro-homosexual group Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund posted the recording on YouTube earlier this week. As of Friday afternoon, the posting had close to 900,000 views.
Christian Post
I've never understood the right wing Christian evangelical's irrational hatred of homosexuals. It really as if they think no other sin exists. Her remarks are not simple disagreement--it is hate speech, ignorant, and bigotted. There is not getting around that. As for the hostile emails, she brought it on herself--what did she think she would get when she compares homosexuals to terrorists. As for illness, I am assuming she is referring to STIs. When will people realize that the organisms that cause disease do not care if you are gay or straight? In terms of HIV, for example, heterosexuals actually have more cases. As for suicide and depression, that is not surprising due to the sheer hatred toward gays. If I were repeatedly told I was dirty, blamed for all of society's ills, compared to terrorists or any of the other insults given to gays, or if I were routinely beated up for being gay or even for a rumour that I was gay, or if I were exposed to the other threats of violence gays face, or if I had to be faced with being ostracized by friends or family, then I probably would be depressed. Note, I am not arguing whether it is right or wrong to be homosexual or endorsing any particular lifestyle, but it is disgusting to read about hate speech and other hateful acts towards a group--even if you don't agree with them.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/17/2008 12:56:12 PM
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As for the hostile emails, she brought it on herself--
So by the same token, do you believe those who flaunt an openly public homosexual lifestyle also "bring it on themselves" when they are mistreated??
Just wondering..
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/17/2008 5:08:16 PM
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As for the hostile emails, she brought it on herself--
So by the same token, do you believe those who flaunt an openly public homosexual lifestyle also "bring it on themselves" when they are mistreated??
Just wondering..
No, it really isn't nearly the same issue--apples and oranges. She is comparing homosexuals to terrorists--those who blew up the twin towers on 9/11, those who cause mass casualties and death due to suicide bombers, not to mention saying ignorant and inaccurate statesment, so did she expect people to just kiss her for her gay-bashing? This is going beyond saying she disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle. It is along the same lines as Fred Phelps and his ilk. If it had been something as benign as simple dsagreement, then I would be against the backlash. Though, something I forgot to note in my first post--I don't agree with death threats or violence against her. But she did cross the line and Christians are not called to hate like that.
I just cannot grasp why homosexuality is alone picked out and all hatred and venom put on that? It isn't rational. If you want to go biblical, there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that justifies it--unless my Bible is missing the verse that says, "Thou shalt hate and condemn homosexuality, because that is the unpardonable sin and most detestable to God. Ignore and downplay all other sins and focus on persecuting the homosexuals." It isn't any worse than the other sins the politicians and church leaders have been caught doing. Yet somehow it is always blown up as such.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/17/2008 6:00:17 PM
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ORIGINAL: Marcus.
Lawmaker Threatened for Comparing Gay Lifestyle to Terrorism
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Katherine T. Phan
Christian Post Reporter
Sat, Mar. 15 2008 08:54 AM ET
An Oklahoma lawmaker has received thousands of hostile e-mails and voice messages that included death threats for speaking out about homosexuality and labeling it a bigger threat to America than terrorism or Islam.
"I'm not anti, I'm not gay bashing but according to God's word, that is not the right kind of lifestyle," said State Rep. Sally Kern at a Republican event in January.
Her comments generated national attention after pro-homosexual group Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund posted the recording on YouTube earlier this week. As of Friday afternoon, the posting had close to 900,000 views.
Christian Post
I've never understood the right wing Christian evangelical's irrational hatred of homosexuals. It really as if they think no other sin exists. Her remarks are not simple disagreement--it is hate speech, ignorant, and bigotted. There is not getting around that. As for the hostile emails, she brought it on herself--what did she think she would get when she compares homosexuals to terrorists. As for illness, I am assuming she is referring to STIs. When will people realize that the organisms that cause disease do not care if you are gay or straight? In terms of HIV, for example, heterosexuals actually have more cases. As for suicide and depression, that is not surprising due to the sheer hatred toward gays. If I were repeatedly told I was dirty, blamed for all of society's ills, compared to terrorists or any of the other insults given to gays, or if I were routinely beated up for being gay or even for a rumour that I was gay, or if I were exposed to the other threats of violence gays face, or if I had to be faced with being ostracized by friends or family, then I probably would be depressed. Note, I am not arguing whether it is right or wrong to be homosexual or endorsing any particular lifestyle, but it is disgusting to read about hate speech and other hateful acts towards a group--even if you don't agree with them.
One should not profess to be against ignorance and bigotry and in the same paragraph claim that Christian evangelicals "...think no other sin exists" other than homosexuality.
Homosexuals have more health problems because they use body parts for purposes that they aren't intended for. Their practices put them in contact with fecal material that spreads disease. The rectum tears easily, producing a much easier exchange of blood born disease.
Social pressure isn't the only reason homosexuals commit suicide. In addition to all the pressures of life that heterosexuals have, they also are burdened by a sexual attraction that is incompatible with their very own body and the persistent reminder of this incompatibility.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/17/2008 6:18:47 PM
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Lawmaker Threatened for Comparing Gay Lifestyle to Terrorism
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Katherine T. Phan
Christian Post Reporter
Sat, Mar. 15 2008 08:54 AM ET
An Oklahoma lawmaker has received thousands of hostile e-mails and voice messages that included death threats for speaking out about homosexuality and labeling it a bigger threat to America than terrorism or Islam.
"I'm not anti, I'm not gay bashing but according to God's word, that is not the right kind of lifestyle," said State Rep. Sally Kern at a Republican event in January.
Her comments generated national attention after pro-homosexual group Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund posted the recording on YouTube earlier this week. As of Friday afternoon, the posting had close to 900,000 views.
Christian Post
I've never understood the right wing Christian evangelical's irrational hatred of homosexuals. It really as if they think no other sin exists. Her remarks are not simple disagreement--it is hate speech, ignorant, and bigotted. There is not getting around that. As for the hostile emails, she brought it on herself--what did she think she would get when she compares homosexuals to terrorists. As for illness, I am assuming she is referring to STIs. When will people realize that the organisms that cause disease do not care if you are gay or straight? In terms of HIV, for example, heterosexuals actually have more cases. As for suicide and depression, that is not surprising due to the sheer hatred toward gays. If I were repeatedly told I was dirty, blamed for all of society's ills, compared to terrorists or any of the other insults given to gays, or if I were routinely beated up for being gay or even for a rumour that I was gay, or if I were exposed to the other threats of violence gays face, or if I had to be faced with being ostracized by friends or family, then I probably would be depressed. Note, I am not arguing whether it is right or wrong to be homosexual or endorsing any particular lifestyle, but it is disgusting to read about hate speech and other hateful acts towards a group--even if you don't agree with them.
One should not profess to be against ignorance and bigotry and in the same paragraph claim that Christian evangelicals "...think no other sin exists" other than homosexuality.
Homosexuals have more health problems because they use body parts for purposes that they aren't intended for. Their practices put them in contact with fecal material that spreads disease. The rectum tears easily, producing a much easier exchange of blood born disease.
Social pressure isn't the only reason homosexuals commit suicide. In addition to all the pressures of life that heterosexuals have, they also are burdened by a sexual attraction that is incompatible with their very own body and the persistent reminder of this incompatibility.
First of all, anal sex is not solely a homosexual practise. There are plenty of heterosexual couples who experiment with anal sex. Homosexuals do not have a patent on it. Second what is the risky behavior is UNPROTECTED anal sex. It has been shown that if they take proper precautions, the risk drastically reduces. Organisms don't care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual. The reason I say they act as though no other sin exists is that there is no evidence of them putting the same vitriol upon Congressmen who are caught in adultery, taking bribes that they shouldn't, making shoddy business deals, taking drugs a la Rush Limbaugh, etc. Homosexuality is always zeroed in on. They are always mentioned by prominent conservative evangelicals as being the cause of all of America's ills. Was it not Jerry Falwell that blamed them for 9/11? Where are the Christians who are calling out other sins? You don't hear about them.
Anyway, I won't be sucked into an arguement of why homosexuals are worse than others or whether it is right or wrong. I am already tired of this arguement. My only point was I thought she was out of line, that the hatred is irrational, and the supposed threat the homosexuals face is greatly exaggerated.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/17/2008 6:40:45 PM
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Lawmaker Threatened for Comparing Gay Lifestyle to Terrorism
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Katherine T. Phan
Christian Post Reporter
Sat, Mar. 15 2008 08:54 AM ET
An Oklahoma lawmaker has received thousands of hostile e-mails and voice messages that included death threats for speaking out about homosexuality and labeling it a bigger threat to America than terrorism or Islam.
"I'm not anti, I'm not gay bashing but according to God's word, that is not the right kind of lifestyle," said State Rep. Sally Kern at a Republican event in January.
Her comments generated national attention after pro-homosexual group Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund posted the recording on YouTube earlier this week. As of Friday afternoon, the posting had close to 900,000 views.
Christian Post
I've never understood the right wing Christian evangelical's irrational hatred of homosexuals. It really as if they think no other sin exists. Her remarks are not simple disagreement--it is hate speech, ignorant, and bigotted. There is not getting around that. As for the hostile emails, she brought it on herself--what did she think she would get when she compares homosexuals to terrorists. As for illness, I am assuming she is referring to STIs. When will people realize that the organisms that cause disease do not care if you are gay or straight? In terms of HIV, for example, heterosexuals actually have more cases. As for suicide and depression, that is not surprising due to the sheer hatred toward gays. If I were repeatedly told I was dirty, blamed for all of society's ills, compared to terrorists or any of the other insults given to gays, or if I were routinely beated up for being gay or even for a rumour that I was gay, or if I were exposed to the other threats of violence gays face, or if I had to be faced with being ostracized by friends or family, then I probably would be depressed. Note, I am not arguing whether it is right or wrong to be homosexual or endorsing any particular lifestyle, but it is disgusting to read about hate speech and other hateful acts towards a group--even if you don't agree with them.
One should not profess to be against ignorance and bigotry and in the same paragraph claim that Christian evangelicals "...think no other sin exists" other than homosexuality.
Homosexuals have more health problems because they use body parts for purposes that they aren't intended for. Their practices put them in contact with fecal material that spreads disease. The rectum tears easily, producing a much easier exchange of blood born disease.
Social pressure isn't the only reason homosexuals commit suicide. In addition to all the pressures of life that heterosexuals have, they also are burdened by a sexual attraction that is incompatible with their very own body and the persistent reminder of this incompatibility.
First of all, anal sex is not solely a homosexual practise. There are plenty of heterosexual couples who experiment with anal sex. Homosexuals do not have a patent on it. Second what is the risky behavior is UNPROTECTED anal sex. It has been shown that if they take proper precautions, the risk drastically reduces. Organisms don't care whether you are homosexual or heterosexual. The reason I say they act as though no other sin exists is that there is no evidence of them putting the same vitriol upon Congressmen who are caught in adultery, taking bribes that they shouldn't, making shoddy business deals, taking drugs a la Rush Limbaugh, etc. Homosexuality is always zeroed in on. They are always mentioned by prominent conservative evangelicals as being the cause of all of America's ills. Was it not Jerry Falwell that blamed them for 9/11? Where are the Christians who are calling out other sins? You don't hear about them.
Anyway, I won't be sucked into an arguement of why homosexuals are worse than others or whether it is right or wrong. I am already tired of this arguement. My only point was I thought she was out of line, that the hatred is irrational, and the supposed threat the homosexuals face is greatly exaggerated.
You are seriously misrepresenting evangelicals and Falwell. Falwell had a laundry list of sins that our culture has tolerated that included homosexuality. He blamed this culture on the loss of protection that God gives to some people.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/17/2008 10:57:53 PM
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As for the hostile emails, she brought it on herself--
So by the same token, do you believe those who flaunt an openly public homosexual lifestyle also "bring it on themselves" when they are mistreated??
Just wondering..
No, it really isn't nearly the same issue--apples and oranges. She is comparing homosexuals to terrorists--those who blew up the twin towers on 9/11, those who cause mass casualties and death due to suicide bombers, not to mention saying ignorant and inaccurate statesment, so did she expect people to just kiss her for her gay-bashing? This is going beyond saying she disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle. It is along the same lines as Fred Phelps and his ilk. If it had been something as benign as simple dsagreement, then I would be against the backlash. Though, something I forgot to note in my first post--I don't agree with death threats or violence against her. But she did cross the line and Christians are not called to hate like that.
I just cannot grasp why homosexuality is alone picked out and all hatred and venom put on that? It isn't rational. If you want to go biblical, there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that justifies it--unless my Bible is missing the verse that says, "Thou shalt hate and condemn homosexuality, because that is the unpardonable sin and most detestable to God. Ignore and downplay all other sins and focus on persecuting the homosexuals." It isn't any worse than the other sins the politicians and church leaders have been caught doing. Yet somehow it is always blown up as such.
According to the Bible, homosexuality is not only a sin, but an abomination; that puts it high on the list of things that disgust God.
But where on earth do you live ..that homosexuality is the only sin "picked out"? In the many, many churches I have attended, I have never yet found one which does that. Although those who support homsexuality always claim that is the case.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/18/2008 10:06:27 AM
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As for the hostile emails, she brought it on herself--
So by the same token, do you believe those who flaunt an openly public homosexual lifestyle also "bring it on themselves" when they are mistreated??
Just wondering..
No, it really isn't nearly the same issue--apples and oranges. She is comparing homosexuals to terrorists--those who blew up the twin towers on 9/11, those who cause mass casualties and death due to suicide bombers, not to mention saying ignorant and inaccurate statesment, so did she expect people to just kiss her for her gay-bashing? This is going beyond saying she disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle. It is along the same lines as Fred Phelps and his ilk. If it had been something as benign as simple dsagreement, then I would be against the backlash. Though, something I forgot to note in my first post--I don't agree with death threats or violence against her. But she did cross the line and Christians are not called to hate like that.
I just cannot grasp why homosexuality is alone picked out and all hatred and venom put on that? It isn't rational. If you want to go biblical, there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that justifies it--unless my Bible is missing the verse that says, "Thou shalt hate and condemn homosexuality, because that is the unpardonable sin and most detestable to God. Ignore and downplay all other sins and focus on persecuting the homosexuals." It isn't any worse than the other sins the politicians and church leaders have been caught doing. Yet somehow it is always blown up as such.
According to the Bible, homosexuality is not only a sin, but an abomination; that puts it high on the list of things that disgust God.
But where on earth do you live ..that homosexuality is the only sin "picked out"? In the many, many churches I have attended, I have never yet found one which does that. Although those who support homsexuality always claim that is the case.
I never said I supported homosexuality. You can't assume what I think unless I actually tell you. I have been to churches and seen the ministers pick out that main sin, even had whole sermons devoted to it. I do think it probably depends on the area. As for sins, God doesn't rank sins--he sees them all the same.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/18/2008 12:36:41 PM
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As for the hostile emails, she brought it on herself--
So by the same token, do you believe those who flaunt an openly public homosexual lifestyle also "bring it on themselves" when they are mistreated??
Just wondering..
No, it really isn't nearly the same issue--apples and oranges. She is comparing homosexuals to terrorists--those who blew up the twin towers on 9/11, those who cause mass casualties and death due to suicide bombers, not to mention saying ignorant and inaccurate statesment, so did she expect people to just kiss her for her gay-bashing? This is going beyond saying she disagrees with the homosexual lifestyle. It is along the same lines as Fred Phelps and his ilk. If it had been something as benign as simple dsagreement, then I would be against the backlash. Though, something I forgot to note in my first post--I don't agree with death threats or violence against her. But she did cross the line and Christians are not called to hate like that.
I just cannot grasp why homosexuality is alone picked out and all hatred and venom put on that? It isn't rational. If you want to go biblical, there is absolutely nothing in the Bible that justifies it--unless my Bible is missing the verse that says, "Thou shalt hate and condemn homosexuality, because that is the unpardonable sin and most detestable to God. Ignore and downplay all other sins and focus on persecuting the homosexuals." It isn't any worse than the other sins the politicians and church leaders have been caught doing. Yet somehow it is always blown up as such.
According to the Bible, homosexuality is not only a sin, but an abomination; that puts it high on the list of things that disgust God.
But where on earth do you live ..that homosexuality is the only sin "picked out"? In the many, many churches I have attended, I have never yet found one which does that. Although those who support homsexuality always claim that is the case.
I never said I supported homosexuality. You can't assume what I think unless I actually tell you. I have been to churches and seen the ministers pick out that main sin, even had whole sermons devoted to it. I do think it probably depends on the area. As for sins, God doesn't rank sins--he sees them all the same.
Okay, here's your chance. What do you think about homosexual activity?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/20/2008 12:06:29 PM
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Here is a link to a study on health risks for homosexuals. Please note these links contain frank discussions of the causes and effects. They are decidedly adult in character.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/20/2008 12:40:06 PM
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... As for sins, God doesn't rank sins--he sees them all the same.
Maybe, maybe not.
(1Jo 5:16) If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death, he shall ask, and he shall give him life for them that sin not unto death. There is a sin unto death: I do not say that he shall pray for it.
(1Jo 5:17) All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death.
and then there is the unforgivable sin;
(Mar 3:29) But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation:
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/20/2008 6:22:38 PM
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Here is a link to a study on health risks for homosexuals. Please note these links contain frank discussions of the causes and effects. They are decidedly adult in character.
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Physicians for Life
Endeavor Forum
You realize these are all compiled by anti-gay Christian political organizations? They are going to be a bit biased because of this, no?
But even regardless of that, most of the "negative effects" of homosexuality these links list are due to promiscuity and not anything intrinsic to homosexuality itself. Remove promiscuity as a factor and the risks drop.
Just as with heterosexuals, chances of getting HIV, HPV (Which causes cancers, etc), or any other sexually transmitted diseases drops to near 0 amongst homosexuals who stay monogamous.
So none of this really adds up to an argument against homosexuality as much as it adds up to an argument that homosexuals should be more responsible when it comes to sex (i.e. either by using protection, OR opting for the 100% safe methods of abstinence until marriage and/or monogamy).
Which is all incredibly ironic, given that these same organizations will site this as evidence to exclude homosexuals from getting married (i.e. from having government sanctioned monogamous relationships). If anything all of this evidence is an argument FOR encouraging monogamous relationships amongst homosexuals by making gay marriage legal, as more monogamy amongst gays would in turn mean that all of the risk factors these organizations link to homosexuality would also drop.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/20/2008 7:08:23 PM
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Careful Henny; as your support for the homosexual life style is starting to show through.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/20/2008 8:04:30 PM
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Just because they spent the time and effort to gather the information from various sources doesn't call the information they presented into question. Most of the statistical sources came from the medical community and others even came from various homosexual advocacy groups. Also the particular kind of sexual activity was linked to the higher rates of infection regardless of orientation. Unfortunately for the homosexuals the only methods of penetrative sex they can perform is the source of the increased health risks.
Considering I am posting on a Christian message board I see no problem with using sources from the Christian community for compilations of statistics such as these.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/20/2008 9:46:19 PM
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Also the particular kind of sexual activity was linked to the higher rates of infection regardless of orientation.
Yes, anal sex is linked to higher rates of infection of STDs as it is easier to transmit viruses that way. But, you have to have sex with someone who has an STD first in order to be infected. Likewise, the more promiscuous you are, the greater your chance of being infected.
Sex in a monogamous relationship in which neither partner has an STD, gay or straight, will not result in an increased risk of infection by STDs -whether they have anal sex or not. Two healthy gay guys having sex only with each other have the same risk of STDs as a married uninfected heterosexual couple does.
This isn't any sort of insidious gay agenda I'm pushing here, it's just basic common sense.
In all of their scenarios the factor which causes the harm is promiscuity, not homosexuality. If one is gay and in a monogamous relationship (which is possible), nearly all of the "risks" they talk about disappear. So their statistics really say nothing about homosexuality as much as they are about promiscuity.
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Considering I am posting on a Christian message board I see no problem with using sources from the Christian community for compilations of statistics such as these.
That's fine. But if the Christian community is dedicated to truth and honesty of any variety, they would police themselves on this sort of thing. The conclusions they are drawing from the sources are misleading and entirely politically motivated (for the reasons I stated above).
Homosexuality may be a sin, but that doesn't give one license to conduct shoddy research in order to make homosexuals look bad. Political organizations like this too often follow an "ends justify the means" mentality, which I don't think is Christian at all.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 12:37:11 AM
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Sex in a monogamous relationship in which neither partner has an STD, gay or straight, will not result in an increased risk of infection by STDs -whether they have anal sex or not. Two healthy gay guys having sex only with each other have the same risk of STDs as a married uninfected heterosexual couple does.
2 homosexuals who have completely shut out all outside partners is almost an oxymoron from the stats I've seen. Something like 95% plus have had other partners within 5 years of starting a monogamous relationship. What they mean by monogamous isn't the common definition.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 8:57:21 AM
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Sex in a monogamous relationship in which neither partner has an STD, gay or straight, will not result in an increased risk of infection by STDs -whether they have anal sex or not. Two healthy gay guys having sex only with each other have the same risk of STDs as a married uninfected heterosexual couple does.
2 homosexuals who have completely shut out all outside partners is almost an oxymoron from the stats I've seen. Something like 95% plus have had other partners within 5 years of starting a monogamous relationship. What they mean by monogamous isn't the common definition.
I do realize what you are trying to do. However, pulling stats from shoddy research or biased research does not make it right. It is a myth that homosexuals are more promiscuous than heterosexuals. Biology doesn't care about whether they are gay or straight, but risky behaviours. A gay male who has risky sex (ie barebacking) with a different male each night is more likely to get something than a heterosexual male who has unprotected sex with a different female each night. It is just biology. Monagamy has clear benefits for whatever sexual orientation you may be. Responsible sexual behaviour will work whatever sexual orientation you may be. Those are just facts. Trying to use sloppy data to try to prove that one is necessarily more dangerous than the other just doesn't help the argument. I do believe that even admitting those facts doesn't mean you have to give up the opinion that homosexuality is wrong as they don't contradict that statement.
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 9:08:29 AM
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Hmm...so this study shows that homosexuals tend to be more promiscuous than herteros? I highly doubt that, but if it happens to be true, do you think that part of this may be because certain churches don't care to take them under their wing because they're "freaks", "sinners", and "a greater threat to society than Islamic terrorists"? Imagine this...maybe they're less monogomous than heteros because they're not allowed to be married. By George! Who would've thought?
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 9:27:24 AM
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The stats on homosexual's promiscuity can be found quite easily on the net. The sources for the promiscuity range from the CDC to homosexual organizations themselves, so I highly doubt that they are all wrong or shoddy. In regards to them being more promiscuous because they are considered sinners and the church hasn't taken them in or because they can't marry..... IMO that is a distractor designed by the homosexual groups because the church won't accept their behavior as normal or moral.
Why should the church violate God's law by allowing them to marry?
Here is the only view on marriage I consider legitimate.
Matthew 19:4 "And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,' 5 and said, `FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? 6 "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate."
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RE: Homosexuality in the News - 3/21/2008 9:54:34 AM
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I do not think that the church has to allow anyone to marry. I do believe that they should be able to be married by the state, though...since there IS supposedly a separation between church and state and it would benefit these couples financially. Perhaps it may even benefit them morally. Most people are more likely to cheat on a girlfriend or boyfriend rather than a spouse. I'm not saying it's abnormal to commit adultery during marriage, but there is a higher guilt factor in doing so, thus, it happens on a lesser scale.
I think the church should take these people under their wing, though. They accept every other sinner on the face of the earth...why not homosexuals? I'll let you in on a little not-so-secret. My uncle was a priest...and just so happened to have homosexual relationships while in the priesthood. He contracted HIV, which of course progressed to AIDS, and died. The church was very accepting of him. They loved and cared for him until the day he died. Why? Because throughout his life, he served God and his fellow man tirelessly. He was an amazing human being who just so happened to have some sinful desires just as the rest of us do. These sins do not define who we are as people...and the church should not define us by these sins either.
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