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To Circ or Not To Circ
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| We did circumcise |
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| We will circumcise |
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| We didn't circumcise |
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| We won't circumcise |
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| We are split on our decision |
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| We have not even talked about it.... |
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| What is circumcision? |
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| Did circ and regret it... |
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| didn't circ and regret it... |
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 1:54:16 PM
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gratefulforgrace
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Does God's design really need to have an "improvement"/modification made?
This could apply to circumcision, as well. 
Not sure what you mean. I was referring to circumcision as the "improvement"/modification.
I'm guessing that she means that the practice of circumcision was God's design. If it was good enough for Him, it should be good enough for us!
Then why did He bother to create penises with foreskins anyway? He could have just dispensed with the foreskin and be done with it.
I imagine that's something you'll have to ask Him when you get there.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 2:02:43 PM
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gratefulforgrace
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The side affects or the "what could happen" post-op problems are no worse than other very minor surgical procedure.
That's not true. Some potential post-op problems, however rare, include fistula and partial or complete amputation. That seems quite a lot worse than other "minor surgical procedures."
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 2:09:28 PM
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manda59
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I imagine that's something you'll have to ask Him when you get there.
Actually, it was a rhetorical question.
And, in any case, not one that will be top of my list when I get there, I have to say!!
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 3:11:06 PM
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zoebob
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Circumcision wasn't God's design for man's body - it was His law for obedience to the Israelites.
Yes, but if it were harmful, He wouldn't have required it for millions of His beloved and chosen men.
Just pointing that out.  I'm not firmly in either camp, FWIW, and as I'm unmarried w/no children, it's really a moot issue for me.
But it was in the days when it was far more difficult to have good personal hygiene - as with some of the other laws of the time.
I still don't think God would have instructed his chosen people to HARM themselves simply to have good hygiene! 
I agree with this. If it is something God invented there isn't anything inherently wrong with it
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 3:15:18 PM
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momfree
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DH and I are kind of up in the air about this. I am pro-intact, he is undecided. We started researching, and this is what we have come up with so far....
Circumcision has been ruled, by the American Academy of Pediatrics, to be a cosmetic surgery and is no longer covered by many insurance companies. So....
Some of the risks of circing include:
reduced sensation in the glans (guaranteed to some degree or another)
painful erection (uncommon)
bent erection (common)
over-taut skin (which can lead to --> )
tears or cracks in the shaft during erection (very uncommon)
hemmhorage (rare)
castration (very rare)
death (very rare)
Some of the risks of intactness include:
Increase incidence of contracting STDs (though we plan on raising him in such a way that this should not be an issue)
Increase incidence of contracting HIV/AIDs (though we plan on raising him in such a way as this should not be an issue)
Increase incidence of UTIs (though this is an incorrect conclusion - and will post more about later)
Increase incidence of cervical cancer in partners of intact males (though this study has since been proven incorrect as their controls were not 'controlled' - lol)
Harder to keep clean (goes along with the misinformation of the UTI point, will touch on this with the UTI explaination)
Religious reasons (we are not kept under OT law - so not an issue)
Cultural reasons (only real reason we can find... dh doesn't want ds to be made fun of... but we will talk about that later too)
Smootches, exactly what I researched AFTER the fact, my boys are circumcised but if I had to do it over again I probably wouldn't. My ex wasn't w/strong feelings either way, I think he got "talked to" by others saying everyone in the US did it and he went for the Not-different" factor......of course talk about guilt factor when I started researching what is out today about how unecessary it is and how it's now 50/50 so it wouldn't have been an issue. So I voted we circum, but I regret it.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 3:17:39 PM
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So why then?
I always thought it was an act of obedience. Nothing that had to be done just for cleanliness, but simply because God asked it of His chosen people. it was a sign that set his people apart from the rest.
But, then I haven't studied this at all...that's just always been my take on the "why". I had girls(for which I am very glad!) so this was never an issue in our home.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 3:19:02 PM
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manda59
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I don't quite understand the "not being the same as daddy" argument.
When might boys stand around comparing penises with their daddy, or vice versa? I'm not sure my son has ever seen my husband's, or vice versa.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 3:20:33 PM
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manda59
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So why then?
I always thought it was an act of obedience. Nothing that had to be done just for cleanliness, but simply because God asked it of His chosen people. it was a sign that set his people apart from the rest.
I agree about the act of obedience; I have always believed it to have been symbolic, for the time.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 3:43:43 PM
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I think the important thing to remember, is that each of us has said what and why we chose to do for our own sons. Not a single person here wants circumcision to be mandated or outlawed. And, no one is questioning God's soveriegnty in instituting it among the nation of Israel.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 4:38:05 PM
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smootches2uall
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I think the important thing to remember, is that each of us has said what and why we chose to do for our own sons. Not a single person here wants circumcision to be mandated or outlawed. And, no one is questioning God's soveriegnty in instituting it among the nation of Israel.
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I always thought it was an act of obedience. Nothing that had to be done just for cleanliness, but simply because God asked it of His chosen people. it was a sign that set his people apart from the rest.
Yes and yes!
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 4:40:55 PM
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loveydoveysmom
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DH and I are kind of up in the air about this. I am pro-intact, he is undecided. We started researching, and this is what we have come up with so far....
Circumcision has been ruled, by the American Academy of Pediatrics, to be a cosmetic surgery and is no longer covered by many insurance companies. So....
Some of the risks of circing include:
reduced sensation in the glans (guaranteed to some degree or another)
painful erection (uncommon)
bent erection (common)
over-taut skin (which can lead to --> )
tears or cracks in the shaft during erection (very uncommon)
hemmhorage (rare)
castration (very rare)
death (very rare)
Some of the risks of intactness include:
Increase incidence of contracting STDs (though we plan on raising him in such a way that this should not be an issue)
Increase incidence of contracting HIV/AIDs (though we plan on raising him in such a way as this should not be an issue)
Increase incidence of UTIs (though this is an incorrect conclusion - and will post more about later)
Increase incidence of cervical cancer in partners of intact males (though this study has since been proven incorrect as their controls were not 'controlled' - lol)
Harder to keep clean (goes along with the misinformation of the UTI point, will touch on this with the UTI explaination)
Religious reasons (we are not kept under OT law - so not an issue)
Cultural reasons (only real reason we can find... dh doesn't want ds to be made fun of... but we will talk about that later too)
Smootches, exactly what I researched AFTER the fact, my boys are circumcised but if I had to do it over again I probably wouldn't. My ex wasn't w/strong feelings either way, I think he got "talked to" by others saying everyone in the US did it and he went for the Not-different" factor......of course talk about guilt factor when I started researching what is out today about how unecessary it is and how it's now 50/50 so it wouldn't have been an issue. So I voted we circum, but I regret it.
Why do you regret it...there isn't any right or wrong to this. Plus not all research IS completely exact or correct either way.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 4:51:28 PM
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smootches2uall
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Why do you regret it...there isn't any right or wrong to this. Plus not all research IS completely exact or correct either way. Probably for the same reasons that you don't regret it - knowledge. I know of many ppl who have gotten circ done to their sons for such-and-such a reason, only to find out later that those weren't valid reasons - then they felt almost a void of reason for doing it.
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RE: To Circ or Not To Circ - 4/28/2006 5:03:34 PM
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A litte side note. Circumcisions don't have to be done by conventional cutting anymore. Doctors now tend to use a tiny plastic bell attached to the skin that allows the skin to drop off in a few days or so without the baby having to be cut and without the pain and bleeding. (Of course, if it's for religious reasons where the actual 'cutting' is all part of why you're doing it, then the bell method would defeat the purpose.)
We had the bell used for both of our sons. They were given what are called "sweeties", just a mixture of sugar and water, to have an endorphine effect to take away from some of the pain.
I said in my first post that ds1 screamed the whole time. I'm not so sure that this had to do with what was happening, necessarily, but most likely due to people just messing with him in general. Until we got him home from the hospital, he through a fit every time a nurse or doctor wanted to touch or examine him. He was really mad at the world!
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