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hypoctites - 6/29/2008 1:55:00 AM   
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It always surprises me when I see how badly hypocritical we are. We “Christians” know that it is easier for a wealthy man to walk through the eye of a needle than it is for him to get into heaven. Yet, we support a candidate who endorses the killing of thousands of innocent children every year, just because he might stimulate the economy. Senator Obama has described an unwanted pregnancy as a punishment. I think the one thing we can all agree on is Obamas contempt for infants in the womb. So why do we consistently see Christians, especially Catholics, continue to support candidates that believe it is perfectly moral to physically extract an infant from the womb for the sake of convenience?

The ever declining moral code of the democrat party has brought us such blasphemes as homosexual marriage, (which Mrs. Obama is a staunch advocate for) . They have supported indoctrinating our children into a Sodom and Gomorrah like childhood. Who are the people that have stripped the Pledge of allegiance from our academic institutions? The democrats. It is OK for schools to advise our children on subjects such as sex education, sexual tolerance, then condemn Christianity as the suppressor of all the other beautiful religions, such as Islam. But it is not OK for them to teach our children patriotism for the great country which affords these liberals the right to destroy it.

The religious hierarchy from every denomination should be ashamed, down right embarrassed and humiliated that they have not confronted wayward Christians with hard line repercussions. Churches don't prohibit their clergy from supporting liberal ideals, they even encourage their parishioners to vote for a man or woman whose ethics directly contrast to those of Jesus Christ.

Christianity is moving further from Christ, we are sacrificing our morals and values to accommodate a soulless nation of watered down weaklings. I for one will protest every church, pastor, preacher, priest and organization that continues to compromise our faith for a liberal political affiliation. It is not surprising that people are critical of the Christian faith, because we are hypocrites! The lord would rather see 10 ardent believers that practice fundamental Christianity than 1,000 Quasi liberal feel good Christians. I for one refuse to let my children grow up to be good little Marxist, which is the secret mantra of the democrats. We must fight this tooth and nail. We need to be proactive and work with each other and put some potency back into our faith, right now.
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RE: hypoctites - 6/29/2008 2:58:45 AM   
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Obama as well claims to be Christian. Also many of those who support liberal stances are not believers, yet nearly claim Christianity as he does. What exactly do you expect when the government is given control of our children instead of parents. They get taught what Gov wants them to know. And the Gov will even fight you teaching them or disciplining them hey a judge ruled a grounding of a daughter wrong and over ruled it.
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RE: hypoctites - 6/29/2008 3:18:38 AM   
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Calling church goers disgraceful names (Den of vipers; Matthew 12:34), breaking church laws (Sabbath laws; Matthew 12:2), respectful of other people's beliefs (Samaritans; Luke 10:25-37), tolerant of sexually immoral acts (Prostitution; John: 3-11), telling people to drink his blood even though it is expressly forbidden in Old Testament Law (Leviticus 17:12)....would you say that the acts of Christ were more conservative or more liberal? Christ transcends political values, putting him in that box only divides His family.
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RE: hypoctites - 6/30/2008 8:56:00 PM   
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"It always surprises me when I see how badly hypocritical we are. We “Christians” know that it is easier for a wealthy man to walk through the eye of a needle than it is for him to get into heaven. Yet, we support a candidate who endorses the killing of thousands of innocent children every year, just because he might stimulate the economy. Senator Obama has described an unwanted pregnancy as a punishment. I think the one thing we can all agree on is Obamas contempt for infants in the womb. So why do we consistently see Christians, especially Catholics, continue to support candidates that believe it is perfectly moral to physically extract an infant from the womb for the sake of convenience?"

They do NOT abort their embryo's for convenience sake. It's sheer ignorance of you to claim that. It's a difficult decision for every woman. Their are many MANY reasons to abort for a woman when they are pregnant for a few days. Abortion shouldn't be abolished. You come here and claim all all these people do it for convenience sake and that abortions are ALWAYS wrong, while you do NOT know these people or the situations they are in.

"The ever declining moral code of the democrat party has brought us such blasphemes as homosexual marriage, (which Mrs. Obama is a staunch advocate for) . They have supported indoctrinating our children into a Sodom and Gomorrah like childhood. Who are the people that have stripped the Pledge of allegiance from our academic institutions? The democrats. It is OK for schools to advise our children on subjects such as sex education, sexual tolerance, then condemn Christianity as the suppressor of all the other beautiful religions, such as Islam. But it is not OK for them to teach our children patriotism for the great country which affords these liberals the right to destroy it. "

Declining moral code you say? My dear friend..christianity is but one of MANY believes, religions, lifestyles, cultures, morals, etc. The democrat party GRANTS all the different people in your country equality and freedom and does not force them to live how you as a christian want to DEMAND them how they should live.
And homosexual marriage blashpemous? Honestly all these people do is LOVE eachother. They want to show this to others and want to show their commitment to each other by secular marriage (or some homosexual-christians in the face of God). What is wrong with this? Sure they cannot produce offspring...but last time I checked the human race was vastly overpopulating the world, destroying the environments and flora and fauna in the process. If homosexual/bisexual/hetero sexual people want to commit themselves to each other (also legally) by marriage you have NO right to forbid this by law.

And of course it is OK to give children good sexual education and sexual tolerance. It makes them respect others despite the differences between them. It also informs them about diseases you can get from unprotected sex. Do remember one of the primary reasons AIDS has spread so rapidly in Africa is becuase the Church there condems the use of condoms. Christianity is also the dominant religon of the united states and judging from your laws and government you ARE the ones oppressing people who are not christian and do not want to follow that religion and its rules. Patriotism only spreads more hate between different nations as it makes people think and feel superior to people with a different nationality. Remember that the reason the USA whent down the drain the last 8-10 years was not becuase of the democrats but becuase of the Republicans who are in charge.

Fundamentalist Christianity is very intolerant and oppressing by nature. History proves this. Treatment of minorities (like muslim and gay-groups) prove this. I thought Jesus wasn't about oppressing people and forcing them to live by your rules? You say socialism and tolerance is something for weaklings...so you agree selfishness, oppressing people and intolerance are sings of strengths? Socialism is a political belief that sthrives for equality and good lives for everyone. Isn't that great? People caring for each other? Socialism isn't by default bad becuase of how socialism was in the old Soviet Union.

Why do you think people are so critical of Christianity these days? Becuase the growing number of Fundamentalist Christians are no different from Radical Muslims. They whant to force other people to live by their rules and interfere with their lives. Instead of forcing people the democratic party gives people the CHOICE to live by their own moral codes or that of the bible. Jesus also does not FORCE others to live as he sees fit...as a christian you should follow his example.
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RE: hypoctites - 6/30/2008 9:42:27 PM   
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Declining moral code you say? My dear friend..christianity is but one of MANY believes, religions, lifestyles, cultures, morals, etc. The democrat party GRANTS all the different people in your country equality and freedom and does not force them to live how you as a christian want to DEMAND them how they should live.
And homosexual marriage blashpemous? Honestly all these people do is LOVE eachother. They want to show this to others and want to show their commitment to each other by secular marriage (or some homosexual-christians in the face of God). What is wrong with this? Sure they cannot produce offspring...but last time I checked the human race was vastly overpopulating the world, destroying the environments and flora and fauna in the process. If homosexual/bisexual/hetero sexual people want to commit themselves to each other (also legally) by marriage you have NO right to forbid this by law.

And of course it is OK to give children good sexual education and sexual tolerance. It makes them respect others despite the differences between them. It also informs them about diseases you can get from unprotected sex. Do remember one of the primary reasons AIDS has spread so rapidly in Africa is becuase the Church there condems the use of condoms. Christianity is also the dominant religon of the united states and judging from your laws and government you ARE the ones oppressing people who are not christian and do not want to follow that religion and its rules. Patriotism only spreads more hate between different nations as it makes people think and feel superior to people with a different nationality. Remember that the reason the USA whent down the drain the last 8-10 years was not becuase of the democrats but becuase of the Republicans who are in charge.

Fundamentalist Christianity is very intolerant and oppressing by nature. History proves this. Treatment of minorities (like muslim and gay-groups) prove this. I thought Jesus wasn't about oppressing people and forcing them to live by your rules? You say socialism and tolerance is something for weaklings...so you agree selfishness, oppressing people and intolerance are sings of strengths? Socialism is a political belief that sthrives for equality and good lives for everyone. Isn't that great? People caring for each other? Socialism isn't by default bad becuase of how socialism was in the old Soviet Union.

Why do you think people are so critical of Christianity these days? Becuase the growing number of Fundamentalist Christians are no different from Radical Muslims. They whant to force other people to live by their rules and interfere with their lives. Instead of forcing people the democratic party gives people the CHOICE to live by their own moral codes or that of the bible. Jesus also does not FORCE others to live as he sees fit...as a christian you should follow his example.


The thing is ... Jesus says that He is the only way to the Father. He says He came to fulfill the Law of the old testament (which included thou shalt not commit murder and laws forbidding homosexuality.) He said to "enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." and He also said "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

There are definitely a lot of hypocritical Christians out there ... in fact I dare say we all have been hypocrites at times ... choosing the easy way over the way He instructs us to go ... choosing to make my life easy and to close my eyes to the needs of another. There are many who call themselves Christians who do not follow Christ, or understand what it means to have a real personal relationship with Him.

The bottom line is we are all sinners in need of a Savior ... and once you make that step to accept Him as your Lord and Savior He tells us that if we love Him we will obey Him. That means remaining firm in those things He says are wrong which include "sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like" to name a few. And Jesus told us "You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, 'Do not murder, and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.' But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, 'Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell." It's a pretty high standard that I dare say none of us can keep.

But fortunately He also promises to to live in us and through us once we ask Him to save us from our sins ... and as we walk with Him, He begins to change us from the inside out. We are to hold to a very high standard, and lovingly stand up for those who cannot help themselves, which includes unborn children. Unfortunately, many forget about the lovingly part.

So yes, those who believe that Jesus is Who He said He is ... and believe Him when He say that "All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness" will tell you that abortion and gay relationships are wrong ... just like lying, and cheating, and gossiping, and adultery and ... and ... and ... are wrong. We are simply repeating the message He, Jesus, our example .... has given us.

So if you have a problem with the message, may I suggest you talk to the Father about it. When you vent your anger towards me ... or another Christ follower, you are yelling at the messenger.

One of the toughest things that Jesus said ... and I have already quoted it, but will repeat it here, is:

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!"

Edited because I accidentally hit the ok button as I was typing!

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RE: hypoctites - 6/30/2008 10:04:25 PM   
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Calling church goers disgraceful names (Den of vipers; Matthew 12:34), breaking church laws (Sabbath laws; Matthew 12:2), respectful of other people's beliefs (Samaritans; Luke 10:25-37), tolerant of sexually immoral acts (Prostitution; John: 3-11), telling people to drink his blood even though it is expressly forbidden in Old Testament Law (Leviticus 17:12)....would you say that the acts of Christ were more conservative or more liberal? Christ transcends political values, putting him in that box only divides His family.


If you are saying that Jesus broke the Old Testament law, or tolerated prostitution, you have misunderstood his message. True, he didn't condemn to death the woman caught in adultery, but he did say, "Go and sin no more." That is not toleration. And when Jesus told people to drink his blood, he wasn't speaking literally, nor did he ever encourage anyone to violate God's holy law. Jesus is not a law breaker!

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RE: hypoctites - 7/1/2008 5:04:35 AM   
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Sorry for breaking that moderators rule. As you can judge from my number of posts I am new here and didn't really read all of the rules and thought we could discuss things on these forums openly about topics which have a link to Christianity (including tolerance for people with different beliefs and values (including homosexuals but will refrain from mentioning them from now on)).

There are just so many things I do not agree with in the teachings...and seemed like the perfect place to post about my doubts to see other views about this.

I just do not understand why we all cant live our own lives instead of trying to get everyone to live by certain rules.... The motives behind this are good. I'm sure that if we promote equality between people and help people, are friendly to people and tolerate them regardless of cultural/national/etc differences that God sees our good intention and that we sthrive to live in harmony with each other. I try to believe that He understands and appreciates this..

I'm not from the USA but from Europe and I live in a very secular country. A lot of people I know aren't Christian and are really one of the nicest, friendliest, most tolerant people you could ever meet. That dont care if someone is different from others. You are still accepted. United by our differences. It's depressing to think that such good people are damned while they live their lives so virtues.

The democratic party gives people the choice and free will and even if God and Jesus condemn people who do not believe in Them, I'm sure they wouldn't want us to force others to live as we want them to live.

I do not see Obama as a scourge to the USA but as its saviour in someway....
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RE: hypoctites - 7/1/2008 5:21:19 AM   
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I don't want to get involved with this too much, but I just wanted to say that I don't think it's right for anyone, of any religion, no matter how right or wrong you are, to force others to comply with their moral code. And don't think that doesn't apply to Christians, too.

I do not want to live in a theocracy, I think democracy is a great system and I am appalled at the way it has been twisted over the past decade or so, particularly here in North America.

Did "love thy neighbor" somehow get turned into "love thy neighbor, but only if he's a good Christian and believes the exact same things that I do" while I wasn't looking?

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RE: hypoctites - 7/1/2008 11:06:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: cidd

It always surprises me when I see how badly hypocritical we are. We “Christians” know that it is easier for a wealthy man to walk through the eye of a needle than it is for him to get into heaven. Yet, we support a candidate who endorses the killing of thousands of innocent children every year, just because he might stimulate the economy. Senator Obama has described an unwanted pregnancy as a punishment. I think the one thing we can all agree on is Obamas contempt for infants in the womb. So why do we consistently see Christians, especially Catholics, continue to support candidates that believe it is perfectly moral to physically extract an infant from the womb for the sake of convenience?

The ever declining moral code of the democrat party has brought us such blasphemes as homosexual marriage, (which Mrs. Obama is a staunch advocate for) . They have supported indoctrinating our children into a Sodom and Gomorrah like childhood. Who are the people that have stripped the Pledge of allegiance from our academic institutions? The democrats. It is OK for schools to advise our children on subjects such as sex education, sexual tolerance, then condemn Christianity as the suppressor of all the other beautiful religions, such as Islam. But it is not OK for them to teach our children patriotism for the great country which affords these liberals the right to destroy it.

The religious hierarchy from every denomination should be ashamed, down right embarrassed and humiliated that they have not confronted wayward Christians with hard line repercussions. Churches don't prohibit their clergy from supporting liberal ideals, they even encourage their parishioners to vote for a man or woman whose ethics directly contrast to those of Jesus Christ.

Christianity is moving further from Christ, we are sacrificing our morals and values to accommodate a soulless nation of watered down weaklings. I for one will protest every church, pastor, preacher, priest and organization that continues to compromise our faith for a liberal political affiliation. It is not surprising that people are critical of the Christian faith, because we are hypocrites! The lord would rather see 10 ardent believers that practice fundamental Christianity than 1,000 Quasi liberal feel good Christians. I for one refuse to let my children grow up to be good little Marxist, which is the secret mantra of the democrats. We must fight this tooth and nail. We need to be proactive and work with each other and put some potency back into our faith, right now.



From a biblical standpoint, you are absolutely right and I whole heartedly agree. As Christians, we definitely need to put God FIRST, over whatever our beliefs on economy and other issues. We also need to get out and VOTE and quit sitting on our laurels whining that times are getting worse, AND THEY ARE. We've sat down too long, given up and refuse to fight against the evil that has taken us over.

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ORIGINAL: Amtaev
They do NOT abort their embryo's for convenience sake. It's sheer ignorance of you to claim that. It's a difficult decision for every woman. Their are many MANY reasons to abort for a woman when they are pregnant for a few days. Abortion shouldn't be abolished. You come here and claim all all these people do it for convenience sake and that abortions are ALWAYS wrong, while you do NOT know these people or the situations they are in.
Declining moral code you say? My dear friend..christianity is but one of MANY believes, religions, lifestyles, cultures, morals, etc. The democrat party GRANTS all the different people in your country equality and freedom and does not force them to live how you as a christian want to DEMAND them how they should live.
And homosexual marriage blashpemous? Honestly all these people do is LOVE eachother. They want to show this to others and want to show their commitment to each other by secular marriage (or some homosexual-christians in the face of God). What is wrong with this? Sure they cannot produce offspring...but last time I checked the human race was vastly overpopulating the world, destroying the environments and flora and fauna in the process. If homosexual/bisexual/hetero sexual people want to commit themselves to each other (also legally) by marriage you have NO right to forbid this by law.

And of course it is OK to give children good sexual education and sexual tolerance. It makes them respect others despite the differences between them. It also informs them about diseases you can get from unprotected sex. Do remember one of the primary reasons AIDS has spread so rapidly in Africa is becuase the Church there condems the use of condoms. Christianity is also the dominant religon of the united states and judging from your laws and government you ARE the ones oppressing people who are not christian and do not want to follow that religion and its rules. Patriotism only spreads more hate between different nations as it makes people think and feel superior to people with a different nationality. Remember that the reason the USA whent down the drain the last 8-10 years was not becuase of the democrats but becuase of the Republicans who are in charge.

Fundamentalist Christianity is very intolerant and oppressing by nature. History proves this. Treatment of minorities (like muslim and gay-groups) prove this. I thought Jesus wasn't about oppressing people and forcing them to live by your rules? You say socialism and tolerance is something for weaklings...so you agree selfishness, oppressing people and intolerance are sings of strengths? Socialism is a political belief that sthrives for equality and good lives for everyone. Isn't that great? People caring for each other? Socialism isn't by default bad becuase of how socialism was in the old Soviet Union.

Why do you think people are so critical of Christianity these days? Becuase the growing number of Fundamentalist Christians are no different from Radical Muslims. They whant to force other people to live by their rules and interfere with their lives. Instead of forcing people the democratic party gives people the CHOICE to live by their own moral codes or that of the bible. Jesus also does not FORCE others to live as he sees fit...as a christian you should follow his example.


Amtaev, I realize you are from Europe and not from the United States, but you must understand why the United States was formed and why we broke away from Europe. This nation was founded on Christian principals and we didn't ask for the blessings of other civilizations before forming a Christian nation. We have been so very blessed as a nation for 232 years. We are the leader among other nations of the world, and I believe that is because of the blessing of God upon us. I do agree with you that we should love others who are of other opinions and philosophies, but loving them does not mean we have to tolerate them changing the country we love. We do not have to accept their philosophy on abortion when it goes against the very beliefs this nation was founded on. Same goes with homosexuality. I believe we should love homosexuals and work just as hard to win them to Christ as we would anyone else, but as Christians, we can't just accept their ways and grant them priviledges that again go against our Christian beliefs.

There are other nations in this world. America is not the only choice. If they do not want to be governed by a Christian nation, they should find a place where they are more comfortable living and they have a lot of places to choose from. Those who CHOOSE the values, moral, ethics and beliefs The USA was founded on, are free to migrate to the US if not already here, for that very reason. But if a person does not like this government that has been so long lasting, so blessed of God, they DON'T have a right to change it. This nation is as it was meant to be. Just as our forefathers intended when they put it all in motion. And it's worked quite well for a long long time. Marxist teaching belong in a marxist country, NOT HERE!

Lastly this is a Christian website and a Christian forum. It's a network for like-minded believers. Some believe that girls should be allowed in the boyscouts. I don't. That's why there are GIRLscouts, so boys can be boys together, relate, learn from each other and have a comfort zone that is all theirs. And girls can do the same in THEIR program without having to deal with the ratty boys there to mess things up.

The only SAVIOR this nation needs, is Jesus Christ, and Barack Obama is nowhere near that status. His views are better represented in Europe than the United States Of America.

I'm not saying you are not welcome on this site, so please don't take it that way. Just please remember it is a Christian site, it's here because of the Bible, the Word of God, and it's here to represent biblical views. Hope the weather is nice over there on the other side of the pond.

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