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You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/8/2008 11:42:21 PM
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ljmac
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Daddy caught his little girl doing naughty things on Al Gore's invention, aka the Internet. He grounded her. She sued him. The Canadian judgette overruled the father, entirely dismissing his authority.
Also this week, the loonies in Canada's senate passed an anti-spanking law.
Government knows best, eh?
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/9/2008 12:34:27 AM
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Did you watch O Reilly tonight? Or discover this during your internet travels? Me, heard it on O'Reilly. 
Obviously this is outragious. It is a concern to me that this sort of nonsense is happening right above us but I'm fairly sure we ain't there yet. Its just good to stay aware of these trends so we can go against them when they come here.
I also do not like anti-spanking laws. I don't have kids but having been able to observe friends who do have kids. I firmly believe not every child needs to be spanked. Some kids just don't respond to it. I don't think it should be done if it is not effective in disciplining a child. And I am of course against child abuse. However, some children need a swat on the fanny (from their parents or guardians) and it should be left to the parent's discretion whether they choose to do it or not. The courts should not be involved unless it is a case of abuse and the tendency for our government getting involved in these cases is disturbing.
As a final note many people, myself included, are well aware as the trend has developed for less discipline the behavior and respect we have for each other has dwindled as well. Discipline is not synonmous with spanking but children definitely do need systematic discipline in their lives, consistent and firm. And if spanking is an effective part of that then it should be done.
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/9/2008 1:16:03 AM
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ljmac
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I had heard about this before O'Reilly talked about it, but was reminded when I caught about one minute of his program.
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/9/2008 11:10:08 AM
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I'm actually going to try and find the article again whereas I read that the young girl is the product of two divorced parents and this was all an attempt by the mother to intercept the father of this young girl. I'll get back to you when I locate it again.
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/9/2008 11:21:59 AM
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Madam Justice Suzanne Tessier of the Quebec Superior Court took one too many slap shots to the head! Crazy Quebecois! Take off, eh! Where's my toque?
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/9/2008 3:18:57 PM
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Daddy caught his little girl doing naughty things on Al Gore's invention, aka the Internet. He grounded her. She sued him. The Canadian judgette overruled the father, entirely dismissing his authority.
It doesn't take a lot to see how you can distort the context of a legal ruling. The article is actually an editorial and we are not given all the facts. It is likely the judge was ruling on a case brought by the mother and the judge sided with the mother, who is now the primary custodial parent. If the divorced parents had a better working relationship, the matter would have been settled within the family. Obviously the parents have a very contentious relationship.
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/9/2008 3:24:06 PM
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HERE is a thread that ran on this topic a couple weeks ago. There's more info in there about the case.
I won't close this one, though.
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/9/2008 3:43:36 PM
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HERE is a thread that ran on this topic a couple weeks ago. There's more info in there about the case.
I won't close this one, though.
From the article (bold emphasis mine):
"(The father's attorney) noted the girl used a court-appointed lawyer in her parents' 10-year custody dispute to launch her landmark case against dear old dad."
The court entered to settle a dispute between two parents who cannot agree. As seems typical of these parents, the father is filing a legal appeal. In Ottawa, both parents equal say in decisions regardless of which one has primary custody.
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/9/2008 5:47:09 PM
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quote:
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Daddy caught his little girl doing naughty things on Al Gore's invention, aka the Internet. He grounded her. She sued him. The Canadian judgette overruled the father, entirely dismissing his authority.
It doesn't take a lot to see how you can distort the context of a legal ruling. The article is actually an editorial and we are not given all the facts. It is likely the judge was ruling on a case brought by the mother and the judge sided with the mother, who is now the primary custodial parent. If the divorced parents had a better working relationship, the matter would have been settled within the family. Obviously the parents have a very contentious relationship.
The distortion was that you claimed her mother brought the suit.
Here are some facts:
- The girl disobeyed her Dad.
- He grounded her.
- She sued her Dad.
- "The court overturned her father's punishment."
It was the girl, not the mommy
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/9/2008 7:13:22 PM
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Well, one has to admire her spirit, anyway.
However, it was a foolish and irresponsible decision to overturn a grounding. The child was not being beaten or harmed in any way, and the courts never should have been involved. I do have to say though that I support the Canadian anti-spanking laws. In my view, spanking is simply an inappropriate form of discipline, and I am in agreement with those who view it as wrong.
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/9/2008 7:26:03 PM
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There is a little bit of contextual distortion - the issue the judge appeared to be implicitly deciding is what happens when a public entity (a school) requires two parents to either agree on a resultion affecting a minor or get a court to decide. The two parents couldn't agree, so the child took the logical (though unwise) step of involving the courts. The father was apparently overruled in part due to the fact that the girl was presently living with the mother.
The court was pretty much faced with a Hobson's choice here - either way, one parent's decision was going to be overruled and an inappropriate intervention into parental authority was going to be made. I think the judge ruled in favor of the wrong parent, but I can understand the logic (flawed, obviously, but understandable) of favoring the custodial parent.
It begs the question who was the stupidest - the parents for letting it get that far, the girl for filing the case, or the judge for ruling in favor for the non-custodial parent at the time of the disciplinary action.
Quote from a news article:
However, the school wouldn't allow the girl to go unless both parents consented or she obtained a court order. That prompted the girl, with her mother's support, to take legal action against her father, culminating in the ruling.
According to Ms. Beaudoin, Judge Tessier found that denying the trip was unduly severe punishment. The fact that the girl is now living with her mother also factored into the judge's ruling, she said.
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/10/2008 11:00:44 AM
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ORIGINAL: ljmac
The distortion was that you claimed her mother brought the suit.
I speculated prior to a more complete story which the OP failed to provide.
quote:
Here are some facts:
- The girl disobeyed her Dad.
- He grounded her.
- She sued her Dad.
- "The court overturned her father's punishment."
More facts:
-The school required both parents' permission probably due to:
-Ottawa law gives BOTH parents equal decision-making authority
-The court was involved because the adults could not agree and have waged a long custody suit. Had the parents agreed (either to allow or not allow the trip), there would have been NO basis for the suit. The judge was in a no-win situation. That's not to say that I would have done the same. If I were judge, I would have tossed the case for the reasons that caused it to happen. The blame goes to the parents, not the judge. The court did not go looking for these people, which is the tone of the OP.
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/10/2008 12:28:54 PM
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ljmac
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quote:
ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: ljmac
The distortion was that you claimed her mother brought the suit.
I speculated prior to a more complete story which the OP failed to provide.
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Here are some facts:
- The girl disobeyed her Dad.
- He grounded her.
- She sued her Dad.
- "The court overturned her father's punishment."
More facts:
-The school required both parents' permission probably due to:
-Ottawa law gives BOTH parents equal decision-making authority
-The court was involved because the adults could not agree and have waged a long custody suit. Had the parents agreed (either to allow or not allow the trip), there would have been NO basis for the suit. The judge was in a no-win situation. That's not to say that I would have done the same. If I were judge, I would have tossed the case for the reasons that caused it to happen. The blame goes to the parents, not the judge. The court did not go looking for these people, which is the tone of the OP.
I wrote quite clearly in the original post that "She (daughter) sued him (father)". There's nothing about the "court...looking for these people," in tone or otherwise.
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RE: You're just her Daddy. We're the government. - 7/10/2008 2:27:46 PM
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cow451
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quote:
ORIGINAL: ljmac
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ORIGINAL: cow451
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ORIGINAL: ljmac
The distortion was that you claimed her mother brought the suit.
I speculated prior to a more complete story which the OP failed to provide.
quote:
Here are some facts:
- The girl disobeyed her Dad.
- He grounded her.
- She sued her Dad.
- "The court overturned her father's punishment."
More facts:
-The school required both parents' permission probably due to:
-Ottawa law gives BOTH parents equal decision-making authority
-The court was involved because the adults could not agree and have waged a long custody suit. Had the parents agreed (either to allow or not allow the trip), there would have been NO basis for the suit. The judge was in a no-win situation. That's not to say that I would have done the same. If I were judge, I would have tossed the case for the reasons that caused it to happen. The blame goes to the parents, not the judge. The court did not go looking for these people, which is the tone of the OP.
I wrote quite clearly in the original post that "She (daughter) sued him (father)". There's nothing about the "court...looking for these people," in tone or otherwise.
So, aside from that last sentence it would seem we are in agreement.
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