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Updated Strong's? - 5/4/2008 2:26:08 PM
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Jeffo
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I'm looking for something like the Strong's definitions but with updated scholarship.
For someone who doesn't know Greek or Hebrew, are these what I would be looking for?
A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, Second Edition
by Albert B. Elsasser et al.
Brown-Driver-Briggs Hebrew and English Lexicon
Or are they overkill? Thanks.
Jeff
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RE: Updated Strong's? - 5/14/2008 1:45:33 PM
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BerianAardvark
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Brown-Driver-Briggs’ Hebrew Definitions and Thayer’s Greek Definitions are more modern dictionaries keyed to Strong's numbers.
One question...since both Biblical Greek and Hebrew are dead languages, barring the discovery of new manuscripts that alter or add to our understanding of what specific words meant at the time the books they were written, what difference would newer scholarship make? Dead languages are dead because they are no longer in use, hence do not change.
Some Greek and Hebrew dictionaries uses the Goodrick/Kohlenberg numbering scheme. It is essentially a corrected Strong's with some modifications to accommodate a more extensive grammatical analysis. The G/K numbering system is gaining popularity in scholarly circles - several grammatical tools reference it or use it outright.
But the definitions would still remain essentially the same as they are under Strong's Brown-Driver-Briggs and Thayer's.
I would recommend, if you Bible study software has such a module available, that you use one that also deals with Tense Mood and Voice for the Greek verbs, and stem and mood for the Hebrew verbs. That would take care of much of the more detailed grammatical analysis help in the Goodrick/Kohlenberg system.
This is most likely going to be of more use (as well as more available at a reasonable price...free in the case of some software I know of).
Hope this helps,
Tim
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RE: Updated Strong's? - 5/14/2008 6:17:53 PM
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GrahamCracker
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One of the top Evangelical NT Greek lexicons would be Bauer-Arndt-Gingrich-Danker. I think I have that right. However, the newer editions aren't keyed to Strong's numbering system like the older ones were. Laymen would have difficulty using it unless you have actually had a Greek course.
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RE: Updated Strong's? - 5/16/2008 9:02:08 AM
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BerianAardvark
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The advantage to having multiple dictionaries is that, though the actual definition of a word doesn't change, some dictionaries contain more nuanced/detailed definitions.
As an example Strong's
H1254
בּרא
bârâ'
baw-raw'
A primitive root; (absolutely) to create; (qualified) to cut down (a wood), select, feed (as formative processes): - choose, create (creator), cut down, dispatch, do, make (fat).
The Tense Mood Voice component (since bara is a verb) (Hebrew calls it stem and mood)
H8804
Stem -Qal See [H8851] (H8851 has the definition of Qal)
Mood -Perfect See [H8816] (has the defionition of Perfect Mood)
Count-12562
H8851
Qal
Qal is the most frequently used verb pattern. It expresses the
"simple" or "causal" action of the root in the active voice.
Examples:
He sat, he ate, he went, he said, he rose, he bought
This form accounts for 66.7% of the verbs parsed.
Brown Driver Briggs:
H1254
בּרא
bârâ'
BDB Definition:
1) to create, shape, form
1a) (Qal) to shape, fashion, create (always with God as subject)
1a1) of heaven and earth
1a2) of individual man
1a3) of new conditions and circumstances
1a4) of transformations
1b) (Niphal) to be created
1b1) of heaven and earth
1b2) of birth
1b3) of something new
1b4) of miracles
1c) (Piel)
1c1) to cut down
1c2) to cut out
2) to be fat
2a) (Hiphil) to make yourselves fat
Part of Speech: verb
As you can see the Brown Driver Briggs temds to be easier to use...as it shows the various stems without having to go to a different definition area.
The differences in the Greek (Stromg's verses Thayer) aren't quite so clear cut
Strong's:
G4573
σεβάζομαι
sebazomai
seb-ad'-zom-ahee
Middle voice from a derivative of G4576; to venerate, that is, adore: - worship.
Thayer:
G4573
σεβάζομαι
sebazomai
Thayer Definition:
1) to fear, be afraid
2) to honour religiously, to worship
Part of Speech: verb
A Related Word by Thayer’s/Strong’s Number: middle voice from a derivative of G4576
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