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Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 7:20:34 AM
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solomonsprayer
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081006/wl_mcclatchy/3065233
With news like this, it does seem a bit unfair we are paying for the Iraq War....
Hannity has said we ought to propose that the Iraqi gov. pay us back for the lives lost and the cost of freeing them from Saddam with oil.
While the world economy suffers it's ironic that Iraq is piling up the cash.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 8:58:17 AM
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Thats like washing someones car without asking and then demanding that they pay you for the work.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 10:21:19 AM
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I don't know who said that, or if it was Hannity because I don't listen to his show.
Its their money and they are now FREE to do as they choose with it.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 11:02:06 AM
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Hannity has said we ought to propose that the Iraqi gov. pay us back for the lives lost and the cost of freeing them from Saddam with oil.
While the world economy suffers it's ironic that Iraq is piling up the cash.
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Thats like washing someones car without asking and then demanding that they pay you for the work.
Ahh...good examples of the typical greedy American mindset. More more more. Hannity is not God folks, and Iraq is not responsible for our financial mess. Americans like passing blame though - that good old sense of American entitlement.
Iraq hasn't been running up UNPRECEDENTED MAMMOUTH DEBT and robbing Peter to pay Paul - we have. So, the Iraqi oil revenues are pretty good - guess what, it is THEIR oil. Here's another newsflash, they didn't ask us to invade the country. They didn't ask us to "wash their car". If you want an analogy - it's more like shooting a neighbor's kids because they're annoying, then demanding that the neighbor pay you for the bullets.
A lot of American industries have profitted HEAVILY from this war (Cheney's former company for example). War is big business. Here's another newsflash - the current Iraqi government is BARELY in existence. I'm appalled that people (Christians?) want to rape more and more and more. Is their no sense of responsibility, morality, or accountibity left in America. Iraq did not cause our financial mess!!!! - and I know you folks can't possible fathom or accept that - tis a shame.
I hope we can find and bring Bin Laden to justice.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 12:28:28 PM
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Thats like washing someones car without asking and then demanding that they pay you for the work.
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Ahh...good examples of the typical greedy American mindset. More more more. Hannity is not God folks, and Iraq is not responsible for our financial mess. Americans like passing blame though - that good old sense of American entitlement.
Iraq hasn't been running up UNPRECEDENTED MAMMOUTH DEBT and robbing Peter to pay Paul - we have. So, the Iraqi oil revenues are pretty good - guess what, it is THEIR oil. Here's another newsflash, they didn't ask us to invade the country. They didn't ask us to "wash their car". If you want an analogy - it's more like shooting a neighbor's kids because they're annoying, then demanding that the neighbor pay you for the bullets.
I think you may have mis-read my post. We are in fact in agreement.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 12:55:02 PM
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Thats like washing someones car without asking and then demanding that they pay you for the work.
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Ahh...good examples of the typical greedy American mindset. More more more. Hannity is not God folks, and Iraq is not responsible for our financial mess. Americans like passing blame though - that good old sense of American entitlement.
Iraq hasn't been running up UNPRECEDENTED MAMMOUTH DEBT and robbing Peter to pay Paul - we have. So, the Iraqi oil revenues are pretty good - guess what, it is THEIR oil. Here's another newsflash, they didn't ask us to invade the country. They didn't ask us to "wash their car". If you want an analogy - it's more like shooting a neighbor's kids because they're annoying, then demanding that the neighbor pay you for the bullets.
I think you may have mis-read my post. We are in fact in agreement.
Opps - I did indeed.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 1:12:32 PM
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ORIGINAL: solomonsprayer
http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcclatchy/20081006/wl_mcclatchy/3065233
With news like this, it does seem a bit unfair we are paying for the Iraq War....
Hannity has said we ought to propose that the Iraqi gov. pay us back for the lives lost and the cost of freeing them from Saddam with oil.
While the world economy suffers it's ironic that Iraq is piling up the cash.
On the one hand, if we are going to rebuild their country, we should get reimbursed for it. On the other hand, many people are already under the foolish impression that we went to war for food and getting re-payed with oil would only make them say "Aha, told you so!".
We could have simply carpet-bombed the place, let the chips fall where they may, and come straight home. That would have been much cheaper, but then the left would be crying how we destroyed there country and left them a century behind the rest of us.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 1:46:50 PM
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Only a foolish and un-informed person would say that the war was invaded illegally because many senators as well as other countries stated how dangerous Hussein was and how we must take Iraq out. It is easy to second-guess them sitting in front of a computer several years later, but at that time in history, all evidence stated we had to go in there.
Who said that the "ones who broke and mess up the country infrastructure must put it back"? That is a feel good statement, but can you site laws that state this? We could have carpet-bombed them and left the place in shambles but we didn't. More Iraqis would be killed and thousands less US soldiers would be killed, but you would not be happy with that either would you?
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By the way, only 50% of the country had drinkable water originally and less than a third had electricity in case you were not aware of that.
Iraq war thread
Sure, I am foolish and un-informed about the ilegality of the war that was an invasion...as 9/11 terrorist were all Iraqis, as WMD was found in Iraq also.. and all of that Mr.Bush administration propaganda. I and most part of the rest of the world are all all wrong. Right, the facts and findings are all disregarded by a few, still. The Iraq war thread for sure is dealing with all of that and do have many pages on that going on.
What ever the Iraqis had as infrainstructures goes and its standars (not as 1st world notions of it goes), it did belong to them, as Sovereign nation.
Sure many countries did have business in Iraq constructing roads and etc in exchaging for il and etc I do know because my original country as others were there working and doing business for a while.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 2:10:49 PM
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Thats like washing someones car without asking and then demanding that they pay you for the work.
So you are suggesting we should have asked Saddam before we 'washed his car'?
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 2:23:45 PM
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Perhaps the Iraqis should ask Hannity that America pay Iraq back for the following.
More than 1/2 of the population of Iraq, thanks to the US-led invasion of 2003, is either: dead, crippled, imprisoned, traumatized, or internally or externally exiled.
There has been violence on a horrific scale, with ethnic cleansing, bombings, and attacks on places of worship.
Thousands of Iraqis have lost: livelihoods, breadwinners, mothers, fathers, children, brothers, sisters, friends, neighbors. Their homes, schools, mosques, jobs, careers, health care, neighborhoods, legal system, rights of women, security... their cultural heritage (as once contained in a Baghdad museum)... all torn asunder.
A US prosecutor's book says that at least 100,000 Iraqis have died thanks to this war. The Lancet said in 2006 it was 600,000.
Will we pay them back for this colossal, gigantic scale of human suffering? If so, can we have a $700 billion bailout-sized package and apply it to not only the Iraqis, but to the families of dead (and wounded) US servicepersons, many of whom are physically, mentally, psychologically, and emotionally crippled (take your pick, or a combination of any one of these 4) and will never be the same?
Hannity, and every American who supported this war, should never forget that the US-led war to oust Saddam Hussein has destroyed Iraqi society.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 2:25:07 PM
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Only a foolish and un-informed person would say that the war was invaded illegally because many senators as well as other countries stated how dangerous Hussein was and how we must take Iraq out.
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So if senators and other countries say a leader is dangerous, a war to invade his country is therefore NOT illegal?
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 2:30:43 PM
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ORIGINAL: sylvan
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Hannity has said we ought to propose that the Iraqi gov. pay us back for the lives lost and the cost of freeing them from Saddam with oil.
While the world economy suffers it's ironic that Iraq is piling up the cash.
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Thats like washing someones car without asking and then demanding that they pay you for the work.
Ahh...good examples of the typical greedy American mindset. More more more. Hannity is not God folks, and Iraq is not responsible for our financial mess. Americans like passing blame though - that good old sense of American entitlement.
Iraq hasn't been running up UNPRECEDENTED MAMMOUTH DEBT and robbing Peter to pay Paul - we have. So, the Iraqi oil revenues are pretty good - guess what, it is THEIR oil. Here's another newsflash, they didn't ask us to invade the country. They didn't ask us to "wash their car". If you want an analogy - it's more like shooting a neighbor's kids because they're annoying, then demanding that the neighbor pay you for the bullets.
A lot of American industries have profitted HEAVILY from this war (Cheney's former company for example). War is big business. Here's another newsflash - the current Iraqi government is BARELY in existence. I'm appalled that people (Christians?) want to rape more and more and more. Is their no sense of responsibility, morality, or accountibity left in America. Iraq did not cause our financial mess!!!! - and I know you folks can't possible fathom or accept that - tis a shame.
I hope we can find and bring Bin Laden to justice.
At least you are honest on how much you despise Americans, but I can't say that I admire that. That is a very sick analogy you proposed and proves how of of touch with the truth you really are. The way you rant about how awful your fellow Americans and Christians without basing it on fact is despicable!
Do you want some truth or will you be too blind and filled with anger to see it? In case one is interested, read the statements below, I mean really read these statements, and you will see that we did what we had to do at that time.
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“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.
“There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. “[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
I have removed several quotes but you can read more at the link below:
Snopes LINK
Thruth or Fiction LINK
Hindsight is 20/20, but it is much easier to condemn fellow Americans than to study the truth.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 2:31:24 PM
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RichLP
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I don't know who said that, or if it was Hannity because I don't listen to his show.
Its their money and they are now FREE to do as they choose with it.
Who is "THEY" that they are free now to do as they choose with their money?
Do you mean Prime Minister Nouri Al-Maliki and other very senior officials of the government, who are rich, and live in secured areas w/ heavily armed bodyguards, and who are therefore immune from the average Iraqi's travails?
Or do you mean the average Iraqis, whose lives have been countless tales of misery and sorrow thanks to the US-led invasion of 2003?
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 2:32:42 PM
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ORIGINAL: Rockwall
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ORIGINAL: sylvan
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Hannity has said we ought to propose that the Iraqi gov. pay us back for the lives lost and the cost of freeing them from Saddam with oil.
While the world economy suffers it's ironic that Iraq is piling up the cash.
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Thats like washing someones car without asking and then demanding that they pay you for the work.
Ahh...good examples of the typical greedy American mindset. More more more. Hannity is not God folks, and Iraq is not responsible for our financial mess. Americans like passing blame though - that good old sense of American entitlement.
Iraq hasn't been running up UNPRECEDENTED MAMMOUTH DEBT and robbing Peter to pay Paul - we have. So, the Iraqi oil revenues are pretty good - guess what, it is THEIR oil. Here's another newsflash, they didn't ask us to invade the country. They didn't ask us to "wash their car". If you want an analogy - it's more like shooting a neighbor's kids because they're annoying, then demanding that the neighbor pay you for the bullets.
A lot of American industries have profitted HEAVILY from this war (Cheney's former company for example). War is big business. Here's another newsflash - the current Iraqi government is BARELY in existence. I'm appalled that people (Christians?) want to rape more and more and more. Is their no sense of responsibility, morality, or accountibity left in America. Iraq did not cause our financial mess!!!! - and I know you folks can't possible fathom or accept that - tis a shame.
I hope we can find and bring Bin Laden to justice.
At least you are honest on how much you despise Americans, but I can't say that I admire that. That is a very sick analogy you proposed and proves how of of touch with the truth you really are. The way you rant about how awful your fellow Americans and Christians without basing it on fact is despicable!
Do you want some truth or will you be too blind and filled with anger to see it? In case one is interested, read the statements below, I mean really read these statements, and you will see that we did what we had to do at that time.
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“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.
“There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. “[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
I have removed several quotes but you can read more at the link below:
Snopes LINK
Thruth or Fiction LINK
Hindsight is 20/20, but it is much easier to condemn fellow Americans than to study the truth.
The WMDs were never there.
What senators say does not make an invasion legal.
Anything else you wish to add? 
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 2:39:36 PM
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Thats like washing someones car without asking and then demanding that they pay you for the work.
So you are suggesting we should have asked Saddam before we 'washed his car'?
I suspect he'd have declined the offer. The point is that the actions of the US and its allies were taken on their own initiative. Granted, at the time they believed there to be a significant threat from Saddam, but that threat has since been shown to be non existant (or at least has not been shown to be a real threat). With the lack of any reason to go in univited and without sufficient justification (in hindsight that is) I would say it is unjust to then charge the Iraqi people to return their country to the condition it was in before. That's not to say that we have to be responsible for making sure everyone in Iraq has a HD tv and an iPhone. Just that their quality of life is restored. Beyond that, charge them a fair price for the work that's being done. I think that's fairly reasonable.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 3:40:09 PM
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What senators say does not make an invasion legal.
On a mere technicality that is incorrect. Had Bush made a formal declaration of war and had the US Congress endorsed it then yes the Senators would have made the invasion legal.
I wanted to add the Senate in conjunction with the House.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 3:43:23 PM
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ORIGINAL: Rockwall
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ORIGINAL: sylvan
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Hannity has said we ought to propose that the Iraqi gov. pay us back for the lives lost and the cost of freeing them from Saddam with oil.
While the world economy suffers it's ironic that Iraq is piling up the cash.
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Thats like washing someones car without asking and then demanding that they pay you for the work.
Ahh...good examples of the typical greedy American mindset. More more more. Hannity is not God folks, and Iraq is not responsible for our financial mess. Americans like passing blame though - that good old sense of American entitlement.
Iraq hasn't been running up UNPRECEDENTED MAMMOUTH DEBT and robbing Peter to pay Paul - we have. So, the Iraqi oil revenues are pretty good - guess what, it is THEIR oil. Here's another newsflash, they didn't ask us to invade the country. They didn't ask us to "wash their car". If you want an analogy - it's more like shooting a neighbor's kids because they're annoying, then demanding that the neighbor pay you for the bullets.
A lot of American industries have profitted HEAVILY from this war (Cheney's former company for example). War is big business. Here's another newsflash - the current Iraqi government is BARELY in existence. I'm appalled that people (Christians?) want to rape more and more and more. Is their no sense of responsibility, morality, or accountibity left in America. Iraq did not cause our financial mess!!!! - and I know you folks can't possible fathom or accept that - tis a shame.
I hope we can find and bring Bin Laden to justice.
At least you are honest on how much you despise Americans, but I can't say that I admire that. That is a very sick analogy you proposed and proves how of of touch with the truth you really are. The way you rant about how awful your fellow Americans and Christians without basing it on fact is despicable!
Do you want some truth or will you be too blind and filled with anger to see it? In case one is interested, read the statements below, I mean really read these statements, and you will see that we did what we had to do at that time.
quote:
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line.”
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998.
“If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction program.”
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998.
“He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983.”
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
“[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq’s refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs.”
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998.
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998.
“There is no doubt that . Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, Dec, 5, 2001.
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
“Iraq’s search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002.
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seing and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002.
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force — if necessary — to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002.
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
“We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction. “[W]ithout question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime … He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he has continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction … So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003.
I have removed several quotes but you can read more at the link below:
Snopes LINK
Thruth or Fiction LINK
Hindsight is 20/20, but it is much easier to condemn fellow Americans than to study the truth.
Don't pull your partisan antics on me. I wasn't a fan of Clinton, Gore, Kerry, etc. I can give you equally absurd statements from all of the above....so if you think I believe in the "credibility" of Washington politicians - I DON'T.
I don't hate America (or Americans either), but I hate a lot of what they support and believe. For example, just because I condemn the actions of white-collar thieves involved in the financial crisis, doesn't mean I hate America. Just because I don't believe everything a flip-floppin' politician tells me (Bush, McCain, Kerry, Gore, Clinton, whoever), doesn't mean I don't care about the future of America. It means I do.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 4:01:14 PM
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Jhud
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I suspect he'd have declined the offer. The point is that the actions of the US and its allies were taken on their own initiative. Granted, at the time they believed there to be a significant threat from Saddam, but that threat has since been shown to be non existant (or at least has not been shown to be a real threat). With the lack of any reason to go in univited and without sufficient justification (in hindsight that is) I would say it is unjust to then charge the Iraqi people to return their country to the condition it was in before. That's not to say that we have to be responsible for making sure everyone in Iraq has a HD tv and an iPhone. Just that their quality of life is restored. Beyond that, charge them a fair price for the work that's being done. I think that's fairly reasonable.
Well, yes, the removal of dictators is almost never 'invited' as societies have no way of communicating that they would prefer another less murderous and corrupt leader. That being said, I would say that we could certainly expect reasonable compensation for the extensive work and sacrifice that has allowed the Iraqi people to enjoy a significant increase in freedom, and apparently a renewed prosperity that comes from their abundant oil resources. We may be in some agreement here.
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 4:21:54 PM
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rlj
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What's the big deal about this? The head of USAid said in 2003 that rebuilding Iraq will not cost more than 1.7 billion dollars of taxpayer money. I know that was right because Dubya said the cost of the entire operation will only be 60 billion dollars. At such a miniscule price tag why worry about how much Iraq pays?
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This is who I'm voting for. He is from the same party I voted for last time. This is consistent with my belief in the failure of the two party system and my disgust with it.
http://www.baldwin08.com/#
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RE: Oil Repayment for War? - 10/7/2008 5:00:31 PM
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ik3900
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ORIGINAL: Jhud
Well, yes, the removal of dictators is almost never 'invited' as societies have no way of communicating that they would prefer another less murderous and corrupt leader. That being said, I would say that we could certainly expect reasonable compensation for the extensive work and sacrifice that has allowed the Iraqi people to enjoy a significant increase in freedom, and apparently a renewed prosperity that comes from their abundant oil resources. We may be in some agreement here.
I think there's a hint of agreement in there somewhere alright!
I'd be interested to find out whether there is any precedent for such payment for military services rendered. I recall that the Kuwaitis had an arrangement with the US to foot the bill for expelling Saddam from their territory during Gulf War 1, however that was arranged in advance and agreed with the leadership. I wonder if such payments have been made by other nations in retrospect by newly installed/elected leaders. South Korea might be a good example.
I haven't had much time to brush up on my history so I might just be imagining all of the above!
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As Iraq was invaded and the war ilegal anyways..the ones who broke and mess up the country infrastructure must put it back...before the war Iraq was doing business with many countries and having their running water and many regular stuff going on as a country not in a war has... 
