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McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/22/2008 6:45:32 PM
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But the Huffington Post reported Wednesday that Hagee said in a late 1990s sermon that Adolph Hitler was sent to persecute the Jews on God’s behalf, as a way to expedite the re-establishment of the Jewish state of Israel. That prompted McCain’s statement Thursday.
Hagee released a statement lamenting the way his sermons have been picked apart since he endorsed McCain. He said he was withdrawing his endorsement so McCain “may focus on the issues that are most important to America and the world.” He said he would remove himself from any active role in the campaign.
http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/05/22/mccain-rejects-hagee-endorsement/
Is McCain right to reject Hagee's endorsement after accepting it originally? Does it really even matter in the campaign? Is Hagee's idea about the persecution of the Jews by Hitler being part of God's plan correct or off base?
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 1:05:07 AM
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hmmm, that's a tough question to answer when looking at the big picture...
While on one hand, it sounds absurd to think that God planned for Hitler to massacre 6,000,000 Jews - However, being that Israel became an official recognized state within 3 years of this happening is a massive miracle & I believe a major sign to all believers that only God could pull off such a feat!
As for McCain rejecting Hagee's endorsement & Hagee pulling his endorsement, this doesn't surprise me one bit, as it would be political suicide for McCain if he did not considering not only Hagee's latest comments, but also past comments that ticked off millions of Catholic voters as well.
Personally, I don't see how Hagee could in good conscious endorse McCain in the first place, much in the same way that Kenneth Copeland endorsed CFR member Huckabee or Pat Robertson endorsing Gulliani.
I so wish Christians, especially those in the public eye, wouldn't just blindly endorse anyone because they belong to the Republican party, but rather take a look at what these "candidates" really stand for based on their records, not just the propaganda they say.
My 2 cents 
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 1:19:40 AM
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I think a better way to put it is that what men intend for evil God will turn to good. He allowed the persecution of the Jews to happen so that they might reclaim what He had given them in the land of Israel.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 1:55:40 AM
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That's a great way tp put it as well :)
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 2:56:29 AM
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I think Christians would be better off not looking to nutty televangelists for guidance.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 5:13:55 AM
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McCain strategists made a big mistake here, in my opinion. I believe there was very little chance the Obama people were going to make a big issue out of Hagee and risk bringing up you-know-who again. Besides, the constituency that's going to decide this election, "hard working white people with less than a college education who are bitter about being called bitter because Obama said they cling to guns and bibles", probably have no problem with Hagee - not enough to vote for Obama under any circumstances. If I were advising McCain I'd tell him not to take any risks and certainly don't show he's pandering to the left with kneejerk reactions like this one. He doesn't have to prove anything. Neither does his wife. If the American people demand that Obama and his wife are put under a microscope whether it's because they don't know them as well or because they don't like them because they're black, it doesn't matter. McCain should take advantage of the free pass and not insist on fairness. In other words, McCain doesn't have to volunteer to join Obama under that microscope unless he's forced to. McCain has the election in the bag. Just sit back and let the "527's" loop Rev. Wright's greatest hits and he can start packing for 1600 Pennsylvania now.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 8:16:05 AM
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I didn't realize you could reject an endorsement. That's interesting.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 8:38:33 AM
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I think Christians would be better off not looking to nutty televangelists for guidance.
-Dan.
Especially one whose theology and eschatolgy is as bad as Hagee's. I'm amazed at people who think the man is an outstanding preacher... must be his authoritative voice and biblical-looking charts because it surely isn't the content of his teaching. A few minutes on listening to Hagee makes me want to take a very hot bath to get rid of the chaff.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 9:07:51 AM
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Hagee endorsed Mickey Cain??? Hagee??? When did that happen... did I miss something??? I.E. No biggie.
It probably draws more attention to McCain now that he is...uh hum... "rejecting" the endorsement than it ever would have if he would have just left it where it is. IDK just me.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 9:21:02 AM
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I think Christians would be better off not looking to nutty televangelists for guidance.
-Dan.
Especially one whose theology and eschatolgy is as bad as Hagee's. I'm amazed at people who think the man is an outstanding preacher... must be his authoritative voice and biblical-looking charts because it surely isn't the content of his teaching. A few minutes on listening to Hagee makes me want to take a very hot bath to get rid of the chaff.
Exactly - and now McCain has the same problem with Rod Parsley. I wish I could tell McCain and his staff that it would be wise to not line up with Word of Faith false teachers. Would save him a lot of headache.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 9:40:37 AM
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Exactly - and now McCain has the same problem with Rod Parsley. I wish I could tell McCain and his staff that it would be wise to not line up with Word of Faith false teachers. Would save him a lot of headache.
So what preacher/doctrine would you consider acceptable for McCain to "line up with"? And keep in mind none of this has ever and wouldn't have ever come up in any presidential election had not the right decided to make Obama's religious affiliation an issue. Now current and aspiring politcians will be leaving their churches and scampering to the "I'm okay, you're okay" politically correct churches where punch and cookies are served after ever service and nobody's toes are ever stepped on.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 9:46:31 AM
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So what preacher/doctrine would you consider acceptable for McCain to "line up with"?
If any? An actual doctrinally sound Christian preacher.
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ORIGINAL: saved9201And keep in mind none of this has ever and wouldn't have ever come up in any presidential election had not the right decided to make Obama's religious affiliation an issue.
How can any sane person not have made an issue with Obama's pastor and associations? Also, the two are not identical at all. Hagee was not his pastor and he did not sit in Hagee's church for 20 years claiming he had no clue what was being preached from the pulpit.
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Now current and aspiring politcians will be leaving their churches and scampering to the "I'm okay, you're okay" politically correct churches where punch and cookies are served after ever service and nobody's toes are ever stepped on.
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Perhaps, but it's off topic when we see McCain was not aware of false/heretical teachers endorsing him.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 9:47:33 AM
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So what preacher/doctrine would you consider acceptable for McCain to "line up with"?
If anyone at all, someone that is neither a heretic nor a feel-good-without-rebirth fruitcake.
I'm all for preachers and leaders encouraging Christians to get out and vote but leave endorsing to politicians. If those preachers and leaders have been doing their REAL job, their members and followers shouldn't be wringing their hands in hopeless confusion about which politicians to elect. ...Unless their members are cattle that shouldn't be bothered with thinking and researching on their own, but should just follow the big bull.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 10:23:08 AM
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So what preacher/doctrine would you consider acceptable for McCain to "line up with"?
If anyone at all, someone that is neither a heretic nor a feel-good-without-rebirth fruitcake.
That would then cover only those wise enough and humble enough to avoid endorsing political candidates.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 11:09:00 AM
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So what preacher/doctrine would you consider acceptable for McCain to "line up with"?
If anyone at all, someone that is neither a heretic nor a feel-good-without-rebirth fruitcake.
That would then cover only those wise enough and humble enough to avoid endorsing political candidates.
Good point, I agree.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 11:11:03 AM
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Especially one whose theology and eschatolgy is as bad as Hagee's. I'm amazed at people who think the man is an outstanding preacher... must be his authoritative voice and biblical-looking charts because it surely isn't the content of his teaching. A few minutes on listening to Hagee makes me want to take a very hot bath to get rid of the chaff.
He has Godly preacher hair. Check out his do. Classical authoritarian preacher-hair!
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 12:21:57 PM
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Name one.
I will name two for good measure.
Dr. Adrian Rogers or Dr. Erwin Lutzer.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 12:47:19 PM
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Name one.
I will name two for good measure.
Dr. Adrian Rogers or Dr. Erwin Lutzer.
They are not televangelists. They are pastors and authors. A televangelist is an evangelist that uses television as the primary means of communication with their "flocks". Benny Hinn, John Hagee, Copeland, et al are whom I refer to.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 12:58:32 PM
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I still say McCain shouldn't have rejected Hagee's or anyone else's endorsement just because the left told him too. Hard working white people are concerned about Obama's crazy preacher problem, not McCain's. I applaud him for trying to play "fair", holding himself up to the same scrutiny that Obama is subjected to, but he can't win being fair. McCain has an advantage and he needs to use it. While Obama is getting clobbered, McCain doesn't need to stop and ask the assailants, "Please sirs, when you're done with him can I have one too?
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 1:08:26 PM
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I still say McCain shouldn't have rejected Hagee's or anyone else's endorsement just because the left told him too. Hard working white people are concerned about Obama's crazy preacher problem, not McCain's. I applaud him for trying to play "fair", holding himself up to the same scrutiny that Obama is subjected to, but he can't win being fair. McCain has an advantage and he needs to use it. While Obama is getting clobbered, McCain doesn't need to stop and ask the assailants, "Please sirs, when you're done with him can I have one too?
Double standard sense tingling.
Obama distanced himself from Rev. Wright and rightfully so, if you'll indulge me the pun. Obama's not "getting clobbered" as you put it, though he does have some voter issues in the Appalachian areas.
Nice job of working in "hard working white people" in there. Very classy.
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RE: McCain rejects Hagee endorsement - 5/23/2008 1:38:34 PM
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I still say McCain shouldn't have rejected Hagee's or anyone else's endorsement just because the left told him too. Hard working white people are concerned about Obama's crazy preacher problem, not McCain's. I applaud him for trying to play "fair", holding himself up to the same scrutiny that Obama is subjected to, but he can't win being fair. McCain has an advantage and he needs to use it. While Obama is getting clobbered, McCain doesn't need to stop and ask the assailants, "Please sirs, when you're done with him can I have one too?
Double standard sense tingling.
Obama distanced himself from Rev. Wright and rightfully so, if you'll indulge me the pun. Obama's not "getting clobbered" as you put it, though he does have some voter issues in the Appalachian areas.
Nice job of working in "hard working white people" in there. Very classy.
If there's a double standard, McCain should take advantage of it. In a sports game, if all the calls are going against the other team, don't volunteer to call your own "fouls".
Yes, there is a double standard, but maybe its justified. McCain has a record of 30 years of political service to scrutinize. If you don't scrutinize Obama's personal relationships all you have to go on regarding how he'll govern are his speeches.
"Hard working white people" isn't my term, it's Hillary's description of the new "soccer moms" - the constituency that will determine the outcome of this election. We know where black voters and "eggheads" are going, we know where hard core conservatives are going. The wild card is white middle class voters making $50k or less (you like that better?), who are voting their pocketbooks and wallets.
Voter issues in the Appalachian area? I've seen exit polls that from 20 to 80 percent of white voters polled in West Virginia say that Obama's race was an issue. They claimed that if Hillary didn't get the nomination, they'd vote for McCain. Again, that works for him. I'm not saying he starts wearing a white sheet, but the goal is to get the most votes and the ignorant get to vote too. He doesn't have to disavow, repudiate, denounce, reject or stick his tongue out at anybody who plans on voting for him.
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