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Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag in t... - 5/7/2008 5:54:49 PM
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dbark
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080507/ap_on_re_us/flag_incident
Would a teacher really throw a student's flag into the garbage in order to protect him from "white kids"? Or is this simply another case of xenophobia?
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 5:59:50 PM
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another sad case of racism
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 6:02:16 PM
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Unfortunately it seems to have been a case of the teacher's word against the student’s, unless there were other witnesses. If the student's account is correct, I would say the teacher was out of line.
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 6:36:59 PM
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another sad case of racism
Regardless, how can it be racism?
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 6:42:04 PM
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another sad case of racism
how you can come to that conclusion based upon a single blurb article from yahoo is beyond me. personally, i'd need more information than this to make that judgment.
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 7:05:40 PM
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Unfortunately it seems to have been a case of the teacher's word against the student’s, unless there were other witnesses. If the student's account is correct, I would say the teacher was out of line.
That's the problem with this situation, like you said, one's word against the other's. I think the teacher was out of line either way. In the teacher's own version he takes the boy's flag and throws it into the garbage to "protect him". It's hard to make any judgments based on the limited info we have, but it does appear to me like this was motivated by overzealous patriotism or contempt of the student's foreign heritage.
At the very least the teacher handled the situation very poorly, at worst it could have been motivated by open xenophobia.
< Message edited by dbark -- 5/7/2008 7:12:04 PM >
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 7:17:20 PM
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Unfortunately it seems to have been a case of the teacher's word against the student’s, unless there were other witnesses. If the student's account is correct, I would say the teacher was out of line.
I agree there may be a little bit of posturing or telling of half truths on both sides. I hope this doesn't escalate. That would be worse. But then again if the ACLU gets involved it's guaranteed to escalate.
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 7:27:06 PM
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Too bad for the teacher it was not an American Flag
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 7:35:42 PM
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Too bad for the teacher it was not an American Flag
Why? What does that mean?
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 7:38:42 PM
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Too bad for the teacher it was not an American Flag
Why? What does that mean?
He would have been a hero in that school for in trying to protect the student from harm caused by an American flag.
Burning an American flag would have gotten him tenure if he did not already have it
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 7:39:44 PM
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I agree there may be a little bit of posturing or telling of half truths on both sides.
Ditto
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 7:42:07 PM
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Too bad for the teacher it was not an American Flag
Why? What does that mean?
He would have been a hero in that school for in trying to protect the student from harm caused by an American flag.
Burning an American flag would have gotten him tenure if he did not already have it
I guess you are trying to say that American pride is under attack? Is that right? Seeing as you are saying that in this particular thread, I must assume that you feel that throwing someone's Mexican flag into the garbage is not a bad thing. Or else I am completely misunderstanding you.
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 7:52:36 PM
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I guess you are trying to say that American pride is under attack? Is that right? Seeing as you are saying that in this particular thread, I must assume that you feel that throwing someone's Mexican flag into the garbage is not a bad thing. Or else I am completely misunderstanding you.
You are misunderstanding. It is not right to throw someone elses Mexcian flag in the garbage. It is not right to throw someone elses American flag in the garbage. but had he done it, he would have been a hero to most academia
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/7/2008 8:43:02 PM
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Unfortunately it seems to have been a case of the teacher's word against the student’s, unless there were other witnesses. If the student's account is correct, I would say the teacher was out of line.
I agree there may be a little bit of posturing or telling of half truths on both sides.
Probably, but the teacher comes out looking bad either way. He put it in the trash can, because he had nowhere else to put it? Either he's that stupid or he's stupid enough to think we're that stupid.
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/8/2008 9:38:35 AM
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another sad case of racism
how you can come to that conclusion based upon a single blurb article from yahoo is beyond me. personally, i'd need more information than this to make that judgment.
But you don't understand....it has to be racist because only those on that side of the political spectrum are smart enough to realize what makes it racism. The very fact that you would question whether or not it is racist simply proves that you are not smart enough to be able to understand the issue!! (Good job btw!!!)
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/8/2008 10:48:13 AM
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I say "Who cares!" It's not the American flag.
Sorry. I forgot it's only cool and "unracist" if one trashes or burns the American flag.
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/8/2008 12:11:12 PM
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I say "Who cares!" It's not the American flag.
Sorry. I forgot it's only cool and "unracist" if one trashes or burns the American flag.
Here's a photo of a BH Obama fund raiser standing on the flag. Care to guess which flag?
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/8/2008 6:00:49 PM
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another sad case of racism
how you can come to that conclusion based upon a single blurb article from yahoo is beyond me. personally, i'd need more information than this to make that judgment.
But you don't understand....it has to be racist because only those on that side of the political spectrum are smart enough to realize what makes it racism. The very fact that you would question whether or not it is racist simply proves that you are not smart enough to be able to understand the issue!! (Good job btw!!!)
Why do people always bring up the argument that says "but other people are doing it to our flag!"? That really has nothing to do with it. It's wrong for others to show contempt and disrespect to the U.S. flag, but because that happens it is somehow not wrong to be contemptuous of others? It's wrong in either situation.
It's a lame and pathetic argument to simply ignore the boorish and disrespectful actions of this teacher and argue that it happens to the U.S. flag as well. Is that supposed to be justification of some sort? What is the thought process that goes into this?
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/8/2008 6:05:42 PM
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I say "Who cares!" It's not the American flag.
Sorry. I forgot it's only cool and "unracist" if one trashes or burns the American flag.
Here's a photo of a BH Obama fund raiser standing on the flag. Care to guess which flag?
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/August-2001/No-Regrets/
Also very disrespectful and wrong. The situation is not the same, however, as that is not an example of an authority figure (teacher) bullying and belittling one without power or position (student).
The worst thing about this story is not that a piece of fabric was not respected, but that a person (whom the flag belonged to) was bullied, belittled, and disrespected by someone who is supposed to be there to be a mentor.
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/8/2008 8:16:22 PM
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Probably, but the teacher comes out looking bad either way. He put it in the trash can, because he had nowhere else to put it? Either he's that stupid or he's stupid enough to think we're that stupid.
-Dan.
I agree with the fact that the teacher shouldn't have put it in the trash can but there has been no one coming forward to corroborate that very important fact. It then turns into a "he said-he said" argument. Also he was waving it in the gym infront of others so somebody had to have seen the teacher take it away from the student and probably saw him throw it in the trash also.
Was he disrupting the class with his display of ethnic pride? Was he using the the flag as a provocation to the rest of the class? Whoever wrote on this story seems to only have gotten the story from the two involved and that's not good journalism. Of course, what else is new in that regard!
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/10/2008 1:55:18 AM
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When I was in school the teacher put everything she took from us, but our gum, in her desk. The gum went to the wastebasket.
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/10/2008 4:37:19 AM
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When I was in school the teacher put everything she took from us, but our gum, in her desk. The gum went to the wastebasket.
Exactly Marcus. Had I played with an American flag like in this story I'd have lost that to.
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RE: Idaho student says teacher tossed his Mexican flag ... - 5/14/2008 8:06:22 AM
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If we had played with a U.S. flag in a disrespectful way detention would have been the order of the day along with a paddling and a call home about it.
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