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I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 12:41:05 PM
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Psalms274
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I wonder if the persons in the media have taken it upon themselves to be the "Karl Rove" for Obama? They seem to be playing the type of game that they accused Karl Rove of playing in the last election.
Just an observation in lieu of the different type of treatment they have given to the newcomer they are apparently pulling for vs. the newcomer on the McCain ticket.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 1:06:35 PM
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Well, due to the fact that you have totally avoided of any specifics in your OP it is just your opinion. Maybe the media should just leave the newcomer alone could please you more?
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 1:29:44 PM
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I don't follow your logic. I do agree there is a distinct bias towards Obama from the media but don't really see how Karl Rove and the media are related. Karl Rove is a paid political stategist -- the media is SUPPOSE to bring the new objectively as part of their public service for those FCC licenses they recieve --Cable news doesn't have the same restrictions.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 1:38:03 PM
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Well, due to the fact that you have totally avoided of any specifics in your OP it is just your opinion. Maybe the media should just leave the newcomer alone could please you more?
FreddieD
Freddie ... I have yet to see a post of your that was written in a cordial manner, and without sarcasm. I would ask that you ... and anyone else tempted to be sarcastic on either side to please refrain from doing so on this thread.
When writing the thread, I was thinking about how ABC edited the Palin interview. (Here's the entire transcript ... the bold parts are the parts edited out of the televised portion.) (*see note below) It was not an accurate portrait when compared to the unedited interview.
The same has been done when talking about her church ...
And the first few days the focus was on her family ... including some outright untruths about he baby. We have heard more about her ... and much of it turns out to be not true after further digging ... in her first two weeks of hearing her name for the first time than we have about Mr. Obama in the last 20 months. Much of the "dirt" about Obama only came out after the conservative alternate media hit it over and over again until it could no longer be ignored ... and was verified to be true. With Palin, there has been an army of investigators whose job is to feed the media with anything they can find on her, which gets published BEFORE it can be verified as true.
The treatment has been astoundingly different ... and I hear over and over again when watching MSNBC about the "Rove Machine" which is accused of tactics we are seeing now ... but the ones using those tactics are not the democrats (they don't have to) ... it's the mainstream media.
I find it curious ... and wonder how many Americans going to the voting booth will be discerning enough to see what is true about either candidate given the bias. I am not seeing any true reporting going on here.
Note: I used a site by Mark Levine who is an obnoxious conservative at times ... but the piece did not have any narrative ... just the transcript.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 1:42:31 PM
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I don't follow your logic. I do agree there is a distinct bias towards Obama from the media but don't really see how Karl Rove and the media are related. Karl Rove is a paid political strategist -- the media is SUPPOSE to bring the new objectively as part of their public service for those FCC licenses they receive --Cable news doesn't have the same restrictions.
That's just it. They are suppose to be objective, but have clearly not been. It's as if they are allowing their own bias to blind them. It appears (to me) they are taking the job as political strategist in the way they edit and present the news.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 2:47:28 PM
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Freddie ... I have yet to see a post of your that was written in a cordial manner, and without sarcasm. I would ask that you ... and anyone else tempted to be sarcastic on either side to please refrain from doing so on this thread.
When writing the thread, I was thinking about how ABC edited the Palin interview. (Here's the entire transcript ... the bold parts are the parts edited out of the televised portion.) (*see note below) It was not an accurate portrait when compared to the unedited interview.
I am sorry for the sarcastic remarks but if you were to offer the specifics in your OP instead of painting the media with a wide brush of bias, that there would be a novelty.
As for the edited parts it did not altered Palin’s message, but would discredit her more so. In one response she gave to Mr. Gibson question, “You said recently, in your old church, ‘Our national leaders are sending (U.S. soldiers) on a task that is from God.’” Are we fighting a holy war?”, she said, ” You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote.” It was her exact quote. It has been recorded. Also such statements as “And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.” Is meaningless.
I assure you if Mr. Gibson was acting out of the ordinary he would be “call on the carpet” and it would be news. I see no problem in his reporting. So address the specifics and avoid using the wide brush. Thank you.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 3:00:58 PM
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I am sorry for the sarcastic remarks but if you were to offer the specifics in your OP instead of painting the media with a wide brush of bias, that there would be a novelty.
As for the edited parts it did not altered Palin’s message, but would discredit her more so. In one response she gave to Mr. Gibson question, “You said recently, in your old church, ‘Our national leaders are sending (U.S. soldiers) on a task that is from God.’” Are we fighting a holy war?”, she said, ” You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote.” It was her exact quote. It has been recorded. Also such statements as “And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.” Is meaningless.
I assure you if Mr. Gibson was acting out of the ordinary he would be “call on the carpet” and it would be news. I see no problem in his reporting. So address the specifics and avoid using the wide brush. Thank you.
Actually, Gibsn did misquote her - he said, "Our national leaders are sending (U.S. soldiers) on a task that is from God." in the video she said in the video, ""Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God".
These are quite different, and the fact that you didn't even check tells us you blindly believe whatever the media says, contrary to your claims.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 3:19:00 PM
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Actually, Gibsn did misquote her - he said, "Our national leaders are sending (U.S. soldiers) on a task that is from God." in the video she said in the video, ""Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God".
You also misquoted.
“Pray for our military, he is going to be employed in September to Iraq, pray for our military men and women who are striving to do wants right also for this country,…that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from…God.”
There is no way you can misinterpret it. She believes that the task in Iraq is from God.
So let me ask you this question. Are we in Iraq because of God’s will? Is it God’s task?
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 3:29:47 PM
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It was a prayer for guidance, not a prayer of declaration. Big difference.
And yes, whenever the military is used to fight injustice, when it is used to help those who can't help themselves, it is a task from God.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 3:31:18 PM
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As for the edited parts it did not altered Palin’s message, but would discredit her more so.
See I disagree. I get a better and more favorable picture of her when I see the interview in it's entirety.
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You said recently, in your old church, ‘Our national leaders are sending (U.S. soldiers) on a task that is from God.’” Are we fighting a holy war?”, she said, ” You know, I don’t know if that was my exact quote.” It was her exact quote.
Actually, it was not an exact quote. I went back to listen to it an took the time to write down her exact words which were, "Pray for our military, he's going to be deployed in September to Iraq (speaking of her son). Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right for this country; that our leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God - That's what we need to make sure we are praying for - that there is a plan, and that the plan is God's plan. So bless them with your prayers; your prayers of protection. Find video here ... about 3 minutes and 35 seconds into the piece is where you can find the exact quote.
She was clearly praying for God's will in the matter (but it is only clear when you take the sentence in it's full context). The embolden part is a statement that clarifies the previous sentence ... she was in no way alluding to our being in a "holy war" but was asking for prayers of the saint for the leaders to be in His will in their actions and decisions.
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And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.” Is meaningless.
That statement is far from meaningless. Her state is right next to Russia and has experience in keeping good relations with Russia. Many Governors have an amazing range of international activities, billions of dollars of foreign trade, ongoing contacts with foreign governments on matters ranging from “risk assessment” (of precisely the same sort that the State Dept carries on) to educational exchanges, financial operations, and ongoing discussions of all of the above with our own federal agencies. They also cover terrorism, money laundering, illegal immigrants, etc. etc. Most states have directors of “homeland security,” in the case of big states like California and New York such bureaus carry on intelligence exchange with foreign governments as well as with our own FBI, CIA, DIA, DEA and the like. She has the added experience of foreign oil which directly relates to Alaska's relationship with Russia because of that close proximity. (see here) It is significant that Alaska is right next to Russia.
Well ... that's enough for me today! (I feel like this forum is a bunch of armchair quarterbacks at times.  ... No one really knows what is going on on either side, but all have strong opinions on how the game out to be played.  )
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 3:35:09 PM
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You also misquoted.
“Pray for our military, he is going to be employed in September to Iraq, pray for our military men and women who are striving to do wants right also for this country,…that our leaders, our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from…God.”
There is no way you can misinterpret it. She believes that the task in Iraq is from God.
That is not a misquote - that is an exact quote, as confirmed by the Huffington Post of all places and the actual video. You simply and strangely added strategic ellipses.
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So let me ask you this question. Are we in Iraq because of God’s will? Is it God’s task?
I certainly pray it is.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 3:37:51 PM
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And yes, whenever the military is used to fight injustice, when it is used to help those who can't help themselves, it is a task from God.
That's not an answer to my question. You are being evasive as Palin has in the interview. All you need to say is "yes", or "no"
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 3:40:19 PM
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I certainly pray it is.
That's still not an answer to my question. Don't run, give me the straight talk.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 3:41:53 PM
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That's not an answer to my question. You are being evasive as Palin has in the interview. All you need to say is "yes", or "no"
It's not a yes/no question; we have no miraculous ephod to consult, and so discerning God's will is a matter of discerning wisdom from consulting His Word, prayer, and counsel - and God's will applies to the situation one is in, not the one that might have been in otherwise. We are in Iraq; so we have to discern what God's will is now, as we move forward.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 3:56:27 PM
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And yes, whenever the military is used to fight injustice, when it is used to help those who can't help themselves, it is a task from God.
That's not an answer to my question. You are being evasive as Palin has in the interview. All you need to say is "yes", or "no"
FreddieD
Ummm... how is, "yes [clarification] it is a task from God" not a direct answer to, "Are we in Iraq because of God's will Is it God's task?" Did my 19 clarifying words between "yes" and "it is a task from God" somehow negate my answer? It is only "evasive" because you disagree with the answer.
Yet more evidence of the left reaching conclusions out of emotion rather than reason.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 4:19:23 PM
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It's not a yes/no question; we have no miraculous ephod to consult, and so discerning God's will is a matter of discerning wisdom from consulting His Word, prayer, and counsel - and God's will applies to the situation one is in, not the one that might have been in otherwise. We are in Iraq; so we have to discern what God's will is now, as we move forward.
Wait a minute, and let me tune up my violin. You learned now to duck questions well. Palin must be proud of you.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 4:23:17 PM
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Wait a minute, and let me tune up my violin. You learned now to duck questions well. Palin must be proud of you.
Let's recap - Gibson misquoted, you blindly believed him without checking, this was demonstrated, now you are dissembling to cover your error.
Keep changing the goalposts, no one is buying it.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 4:27:31 PM
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Ummm... how is, "yes [clarification] it is a task from God" not a direct answer to, "Are we in Iraq because of God's will Is it God's task?" Did my 19 clarifying words between "yes" and "it is a task from God" somehow negate my answer? It is only "evasive" because you disagree with the answer.
You didn't give me an answer. You gave me a "song and dance".
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Yet more evidence of the left reaching conclusions out of emotion rather than reason.
Can you give us your definition of "reason"?
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 5:04:06 PM
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It's unbelieveable how little honesty there is in acknowledging the media's strong liberal preference and their dishonest reporting. Do any of you remember Dan Rather? He ran with a phony story based on equally phony documents to try and destroy GWB. His source was a Bush antagonist who had experienced long term mental disorders.
When Barak Hussein Obama gave a speech on Memorial Day and said that some of the people we honor on memorial day were in the audience, one of the networks (CBS or NBC?) edited his speech so it didn't look so stupid.
When Jill Greenburg was hired by the Atlantic Monthly magazine to take photos of John McCain for their cover, she purposely tried to take unflattering photos of him. The long time Democrat who is known for her ability to take flattering photos delighted that she “...left his eyes red and his skin looking bad...He had no idea he was being lit from below" to create horror film like shadowing.
Liberals are not journalists, but manipulators.
Some people are foolish enough to believe we're objective.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 5:48:49 PM
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Ummm... how is, "yes [clarification] it is a task from God" not a direct answer to, "Are we in Iraq because of God's will Is it God's task?" Did my 19 clarifying words between "yes" and "it is a task from God" somehow negate my answer? It is only "evasive" because you disagree with the answer.
You didn't give me an answer. You gave me a "song and dance".
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how is, "yes [clarification] it is a task from God" not a direct answer to, "Are we in Iraq because of God's will Is it God's task?"
I asked you two questions. You responded with a statement and an accusation. Most people refer to this type of deflection as song and dance, a phrase you might have heard before.
I answered your first question. I won't answer any more from you since you don't seem to acknowledge them and are obviously asking rhetorically.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 9:00:43 PM
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I asked you two questions. You responded with a statement and an accusation. Most people refer to this type of deflection as song and dance, a phrase you might have heard before.
I answered your first question. I won't answer any more from you since you don't seem to acknowledge them and are obviously asking rhetorically.
Just answer it directly and stop being evasive. Start off with a “yes” or “no”, than finish it with an explanation. That is straight talk. I know people and people want straight answers especially when the answer effects personally.
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RE: I wonder ... - 9/14/2008 9:05:40 PM
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Let's recap - Gibson misquoted, you blindly believed him without checking, this was demonstrated, now you are dissembling to cover your error.
Just give me a "word" for "word" dispute with Gibson quotes.
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Keep changing the goalposts, no one is buying it.
You tried a "drop kick", and since you did not score you wish to go back to the original game plan.
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