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How would you think this would be handled best. - 4/26/2008 10:28:13 AM
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lightshineon
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My daughter is going to school, and will have a web design degree in May. She is eighteen, and went in highschool also. This year she went, on a scolarship called the thirteenth year. It paid tuition, but was told it would pay for books and equipment also. This equipment includes a camera, top of the line, and digital video camera, and books. Well, some how things got mixed up, by who, I do not know. They are saying she has to pay two thousand dollars for equipment. I found this out in Feb. We do not qualify for finacial aide  . I began with DD, to make payments on the equipment, paying about 300 dollars or more, need to look at payments. Last week, they called her in, and told her she must turn in equipment, they keep it until paid off. She leaves Vo tech in May. I do not really trust them, as we have been given misinformation I believe, and have paid on the equipment, afraid they will sell it as used. I could take out a bank loan, making daughter pay it back, or I could take it out of personal savings making daughter pay it back, or turn it back in until paid off? What is the best option finacial wise. Thank You.
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 4/26/2008 10:42:03 AM
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pbaribeault
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If you have savings, "borrowing" from yourself is a good option. I'm concerned about the mix-up though - did you not get any paperwork on the scholarship - either when she applied or when she received it? You may be able to fight this.
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 4/26/2008 10:48:15 AM
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lightshineon
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Yes, it was last year at graduation time. I really need to go to someone and talk about this mix-up, the man in charge of the school is new, and does not seem to know what he is talking about. The finacal aide woman is beyond hateful. I am going monday, because my DD, will not open her mouth about anything, she needs to learn, but, it is hard to explain, very passive and shy. Thank You, you are right about borrowing from myself. I hate to mess with savings (LOL) but hey, better tan interest at bank. Thanks agin. I will check on that Monday. 
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If you have savings, "borrowing" from yourself is a good option. I'm concerned about the mix-up though - did you not get any paperwork on the scholarship - either when she applied or when she received it? You may be able to fight this.
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 4/27/2008 9:33:23 AM
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Szaftoo
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I would ask them to put it in writing, that way you know exactly what you are dealing with.
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 4/27/2008 11:33:26 AM
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Miss Giggles
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Id pay for it myself out of savings and have your daugher pay you back and keep it but you need to check the paperwork to see if she bought the equipment or leased it from the school. 2,000 is quite a fee but that equipment is very expensive as well.
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 4/27/2008 6:38:38 PM
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lightshineon
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I will get it in writing, and yes the equipment is expensive, but, my husband and I understood it was paid for in scolarship, Tommorow, I am going to have a day of understanding, dragging sara, along while she (LOL) stands there with her mouth shut, as usual. She is so intimadated by everyone. Love her though.
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 4/30/2008 6:56:41 PM
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pbaribeault
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Do you have any papers? What scholarship did your dd apply for, how did she know it was available, how did she know what was to be included? (This original information might say 'including equipment') How did she apply (If she applied on paper, there might be information there if she kept a copy, if email was involved there might be a record on your computer of what she sent/received) How did she know she had been awarded the scholarship? What were her original dealings with the finance office? Did she get a receipt or anything? (same idea - the things might say or imply 'equipment included')
Other than that, here's your logical argument:
(1) Schools generally do not give out equipment for free, and not request payment for a semester and a half. Clearly the people who were dealing with her at the time of enrollment thought she should have the equipment without payment - firstly because they told your dd so, but secondly because they did go ahead and give it to her without making any arrangements for payment.
Therefore, either your dd was entitled to the equipment, or the people working with her at the time of her enrollment made an error.
(2) Now, even if that was a mistake made by the staff at the time, the mistake was that they misrepresented the terms of the scholarship to your dd and by doing so, they unfortunately made a gift of something that was not authorized.
(3) In that case, the staff person who made the error, and/or their supervisor is accountable to the school for their error, but the recipient of the misinformation and the unauthorized gift certainly can not be held responsible.
(4) It is unethical, unprofessional, and probably illegal for them to request payment at a later date for an item that was originally forwarded with the understanding that it was free. It is clearly wrong for them to use pressure tactics to induce your family to reimburse them for the error made by their staff member.
(This is just like if a car salesman sold you a car, and said that he would give you a free upgrade to a sunroof. Half a year later that salesman's supervisor can not send you a bill for the sunroof simply by claiming that the salesperson made a mistake in offering it to you for free... and the dealership certainly can't induce you to return the car to them until you pay off your 'free' upgrade.)
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 5/2/2008 10:19:44 AM
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Hello- with all respect, I would change the focus of this entire deal.
I would put the burden on the 18 year old adult.
Some people are naturally shy.
That does not mean they are handicapped, and need other people to do things for them.
The things you could do to help her would be to help her recognize that she will have to work around her shyness.
You could help her locate books on assertiveness.
You could do a Bible study about shyness/reluctance/hesitancy, with Moses who, despite stuttering, finally went to face Pharaoh, and Jonah, who very much did not want to go to Ninevah.
You could role-play assertive interactions with this scholarship so she would be prepared to be assertive.
And be her cheerleader, etc. as she faces all of these adult world things.
It is possible that when you continue to do things for her, she will continue to be in this helpless, unskilled, handicapped role.
Shy people perform these adult tasks every day. They don't enjoy it, but they do it.
I have gone through this stuff with my stepdaughter, who is 16, and would love for us to handle everything for her like this.
She will hang back and act helpless. More and more, she is getting more on-top of things, since I keep making her be responsible despite her nature. this is my God-given responsibility to help prepare her for life.
We were driving home one day, in the rain, and a windshield wiper was worn out. I stopped at the auto parts store. She says 'whats up?'
I handed her a $20 and told her I was gonna go get a coffee from the neighboring convenience store, but she was to replace the windshield wiper, and have change and receipt for me when I got back. I told her nothing else.
When I came back, the new wiper blade was on. I had change and receipt. She formerly knew nothing about these little car maintenance things.
This worked well because my wife was not with us on this trip - she would have worked to "protect" her daughter from such terrible tasks.
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 5/6/2008 1:14:57 PM
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cynthia
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I would not pay them anymore and certainly would not turn in the equipment. They have to present you with the original paperwork showing that you agreed to pay for it. If they can't do that, they actually owe you back the money that you paid. This all sounds very fishy to me. It is possible that the school made a mistake and is trying to put it off on you. You are only responsible for yourself and your family, not for correcting other people's mistakes for them. Don't let them take advantage of you.
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 5/6/2008 2:00:12 PM
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I would look carefully at the original paperwork before calling the school. I have never heard of a scholarship that paid for that type of (expensive) equipment. I'm not saying that wasn't the case; I'd just make sure it was. Also, many scholarships appear to be all-inclusive, but aren't. There's typically a cap. Students are free to choose whatever course of study they want, but after a certain amount they are required to pay the difference.
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 5/6/2008 3:10:58 PM
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beeper
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If all the other tuition and fees are covered by the scholarship, you and your daughter can claim the 2,000 for equipment as a hope education credit--I am nearly certain that equipment provided by the school and paid for by the student qualifies.
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 5/6/2008 3:56:39 PM
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rhippie
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If all the other tuition and fees are covered by the scholarship, you and your daughter can claim the 2,000 for equipment as a hope education credit--I am nearly certain that equipment provided by the school and paid for by the student qualifies.
This is extremely bad advice. The only thing that can be used for the Hope Credit is tuition and a limited number of other items; equipment is not one of them
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RE: How would you think this would be handled best. - 5/6/2008 4:54:25 PM
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beeper
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If all the other tuition and fees are covered by the scholarship, you and your daughter can claim the 2,000 for equipment as a hope education credit--I am nearly certain that equipment provided by the school and paid for by the student qualifies.
This is extremely bad advice. The only thing that can be used for the Hope Credit is tuition and a limited number of other items; equipment is not one of them
Yes...according to the irs equipment is generally not required for enrollment, so it does not qualify for any credit.
I wrote something that I really did not know nothing about...so I guess I'd fit in here just fine.
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