Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacrifice their first born sons?
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Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacrific... - 8/26/2008 10:39:49 AM
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Fledgling
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I have a hard time understanding this, when God promised that his people would multiply and be fruitful. If so, how long was this practice supposed to continue?
29."Do not hold back offerings from your granaries or your vats. "You must give me the firstborn of your sons.
30.Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/26/2008 10:55:53 AM
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I can't remember off the top of my head exactly what this looked like, but I can guarantee you that it was not human sacrifice. I'd like to give you a more detailed answer, but I don't have any handy books on hand to let me do that.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/26/2008 11:26:46 AM
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No, the firstborn sons were to be priests to the Lord, since He claimed the firstborn in Egypt. That was later replaced by the tribe of Levi, but the firstborn had to be "redeemed." That is still carried on in religous Jewish households and is know as pidyon haben. Look it up as it is a facinating study.
You can start HERE.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/26/2008 11:38:06 AM
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I have a hard time understanding this, when God promised that his people would multiply and be fruitful. If so, how long was this practice supposed to continue?
29."Do not hold back offerings from your granaries or your vats. "You must give me the firstborn of your sons.
30.Do the same with your cattle and your sheep. Let them stay with their mothers for seven days, but give them to me on the eighth day.
Interesting timing on this... I just taught about this in a Sunday School class a week ago. 
The original idea with the first born sons, animals, and first fruits of the field, etc. was that they would be given over to the Priests for their maintainance, not that they would be sacrificed on an altar. All of that changed at Sinai, and God set up a completely different set of instructions for who would be priests, and how they would be "paid" for their service.
The situation in Exodus 22:29 is explained in more detail in Numbers 3:40-51. When God was originally appointing His priests, the idea was supposed to be that the first born sons of every family, regardless of tribe, would serve as priests. When Israel turned away from God at Mt. Sinai, only the Tribe of Levi remained faithful, so God gave the priesthood to them instead. But since He had already promised that the first born sons of the entire nation would be priests, He provided for them to be redeemed by their parents. The Redemption Ceremony is called the "Pidyan HaBen" in Hebrew, and is still practiced today in Jewish families.
Samuel is the only case in the Bible where someone becomes a priest by the original plan. His family isn't levitic, but he becomes a priest because his mother and father apparently choose not to redeem him.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/26/2008 1:02:16 PM
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Samuel is the only case in the Bible where someone becomes a priest by the original plan. His family isn't levitic, but he becomes a priest because his mother and father apparently choose not to redeem him. Actually, his family was Levite. You have to do some serious tracking thru the geneologies but there was a Levite family that settled in Ephraim and it was Samuel's great grandfather. We discussed this at home group a couple of months ago and we tracked it thru.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/26/2008 1:14:38 PM
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Actually, his family was Levite. You have to do some serious tracking thru the geneologies but there was a Levite family that settled in Ephraim and it was Samuel's great grandfather. We discussed this at home group a couple of months ago and we tracked it thru.
I've seen that, but my impression is that at best, even assuming that it's the same family (considering that I Sam. identifies his father as an Ephriamite with no mention of being a Levite, which would seem to be a logical thing to have mentioned), it's somewhat questionable whether or not they would have been considered eligible to serve as priests under the Aaronic rules. I probably should have qualified my statement, though.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/26/2008 6:48:19 PM
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The law of adoption makes Samuel a Levite. He was either a son or servant to Eli by adoption, in either case he is a member of Eli's household.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/26/2008 8:45:25 PM
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The law of adoption makes Samuel a Levite. He was either a son or servant to Eli by adoption, in either case he is a member of Eli's household.
"Law of adoption" wouldn't apply to a priest or service as a Levite. You had to be born of a priestly line or Levitic parents to serve as one. Both parents had to be Levites. If the mother was from a different tribe, it disqualified the male children from service.
Not that any of that has anything to do with the OP.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/27/2008 8:33:59 AM
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Thanks very much that makes alot more sense then my original interpretation Exodus 13:11-16 is also very helpful in explaining this practice. If you follow the NIV study notes from Ex 4:22, 13:2 and 13:13-15 it becomes quite clear as to the correct understanding of Ex 22:29. May I respectfully suggest you look into a Bible with good study notes. God bless your reading of His Word, Fledgling!
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/27/2008 9:03:58 AM
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If so, how long was this practice supposed to continue? The study note on Ex 13:2 indicates that Mary's firstborn Jesus was presented to the Lord under this law as recorded in Luke 2:22-23. Apparently this practice was still in effect in early first century Palestine.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/27/2008 12:37:43 PM
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If so, how long was this practice supposed to continue? The study note on Ex 13:2 indicates that Mary's firstborn Jesus was presented to the Lord under this law as recorded in Luke 2:22-23. Apparently this practice was still in effect in early first century Palestine.
Like DaveW and I mentioned, it's still practiced today by most Jewish families who are at least nominally observant.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/27/2008 4:31:41 PM
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The law of adoption makes Samuel a Levite. He was either a son or servant to Eli by adoption, in either case he is a member of Eli's household.
"Law of adoption" wouldn't apply to a priest or service as a Levite. You had to be born of a priestly line or Levitic parents to serve as one. Both parents had to be Levites. If the mother was from a different tribe, it disqualified the male children from service.
Not that any of that has anything to do with the OP.
I'd be interested in seeing the Scripture to that effect. I am sure that is probably the rabbinic interpretation. I am just interested in whether that view is clearly justified in Scripture. The rabbinic view is also that an adopted child is equal to a natural one. This is where Paul gets the concept of Gentiles being equal heirs in Adonai's kingdom. This is why Yeshua(Jesus) was allowed in the Temple. He is Yoseph's full firstborn son. Otherwise, He is a mamzer and not allowed in the temple.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/28/2008 3:12:31 PM
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...early first century Palestine. OT, I know, but the land was called JUDEA at the time, the Romans renamed the province Palestinia in the mid 2nd century.
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RE: Exodus 22 :29 - Did God want the Israelites to sacr... - 8/28/2008 3:15:58 PM
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This is why Yeshua(Jesus) was allowed in the Temple. He is Yoseph's full firstborn son. Otherwise, He is a mamzer and not allowed in the temple. That would have been up to the Sadducees (priests). But there were some from among the Pharasees who questioned his legitimacy. The fact that he was not married off at an early age also is indicitave that some or many questioned whether he was momzer or not.
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