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Engineering Ministry... - 7/26/2007 4:20:54 PM   
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Inspired by an ad running for "non-profit Christian Credit Counseling":

I own an engineering company. I have decided that I am going to change the nature of my business, and declare it a 503(c) not-for-profit ministry, whereby we glorify God and praise Jesus with our feats of mastery and dominion over the physical and material sciences in the design and build of products and machinery.

I mean - my ministry would be so much more effective if I didn't have to pay all those burdonsome income taxes...

What does everybody think of de-secularizing secular business, especially if there is a tax break involved? Even if I geniuinely try for "not-for-profit", I create the dis-service of diluting the prices in the market for those who must pay taxes (and buy insurance and treat their employees well financially...)

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RE: Engineering Ministry... - 6/21/2008 7:05:12 AM   
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I have just started a similar thread in the Finances forum titled "Should it be for-profit or non-profit?" Please join in the discussion.

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RE: Engineering Ministry... - 6/21/2008 8:15:23 AM   
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It is not possible to declare a business a non-profit for the purpose of avoiding / not paying taxes.

From the IRS:
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Who is eligible for 501(c)(3) status?
There are three key components for an organization to be exempt from federal income tax under section 501(c)(3) of the IRC. A not-for-profit (i.e., nonprofit) organization must be organized and operated exclusively for one or more exempt purposes.

organized—A 501(c)(3) organization must be organized as a corporation, trust, or unincorporated association. An organization’s organizing documents

(articles of incorporation, trust documents, articles of association) must: limit its purposes to those described in section 501(c)(3) of the IRC; not expressly permit activities that do not further its exempt purpose(s), i.e., unrelated activities; and permanently dedicate its assets to exempt purposes.
operated—Because a substantial portion of an organization’s activities must further its exempt purpose(s), certain other activities are prohibited or restricted including, but not limited to, the following
activities. A 501(c)(3) organization:

must absolutely refrain from participating in the political campaigns of candidates for local, state, or federal office n must restrict its lobbying activities to an insubstantial
part of its total activities n must ensure that its earnings do not inure to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual

must not operate for the benefit of private interests such as those of its founder, the founder’s family,
its shareholders or persons controlled by such interests n must not operate for the primary purpose of conducting a trade or business that is not related to its exempt purpose, such as a school’s operation of a factory

may not have purposes or activities that are illegal or violate fundamental public policy
exempt purpose—To be tax exempt, an organization
must have one or more exempt purposes, stated in its organizing document. Section 501(c)(3) of the IRC lists the following exempt purposes: charitable, educational, religious, scientific, literary, fostering national or international sports competition,
preventing cruelty to children or animals, and testing for public safety.
501(c3)

501(c)(3) Organizations
The most common types of 501(c)(3) organizations are charitable, educational, and religious.



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RE: Engineering Ministry... - 6/21/2008 12:18:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: GoodME_II
we glorify God and praise Jesus with our feats of mastery and dominion over the physical and material sciences in the design and build of products and machinery.


Anne,

Isn't that an exempt purpose (religious) according to Genesis 1:28?

Genesis 1:28 -- "God blessed them; and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth, and subdue it; and rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over every living thing that moves on the earth."

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RE: Engineering Ministry... - 6/21/2008 1:47:27 PM   
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Howard Hughes tried that and the IRS still levied against and penalized him and had to sell his 'Medical Institute'(which was actually a tax dodge)to GE. HHMI is now the largest endowment outside Bill Gate's Foundation(Take that, Howard!). On the other hand, LeTourneau University is a direct outgrowth of Letourneau Technlogies, R. G. LeTourneau's vision(http://www.letourneau-inc.com/about/RG_bio.htm), used his heavy equipment and manufacture as a way to serve God not as a way to dodge taxes.

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RE: Engineering Ministry... - 6/22/2008 10:44:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LCannon

Howard Hughes tried that and the IRS still levied against and penalized him and had to sell his 'Medical Institute'(which was actually a tax dodge)to GE. HHMI is now the largest endowment outside Bill Gate's Foundation(Take that, Howard!). On the other hand, LeTourneau University is a direct outgrowth of Letourneau Technlogies, R. G. LeTourneau's vision(http://www.letourneau-inc.com/about/RG_bio.htm), used his heavy equipment and manufacture as a way to serve God not as a way to dodge taxes.

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http://www.letourneau-inc.com/about/RG_bio.htm


Dodging taxes! I can take that. "Give honor to whom honor is due, tax to whom tax..."

But sometimes the taxes can be too burdensome if i am making sacrifices in my area of giftedness. I contest that God can use even my normal skills for His glory.

Thank you.

< Message edited by caleb.motupalli -- 6/22/2008 10:54:59 AM >


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