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Energy Hog - 6/18/2008 12:14:41 PM
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ljmac
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"In the past year, (Al) Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month."
We've got a wolf leading a herd of sheep. This energy hog, who has a carbon foot print bigger than Sasquatch, won a Grammy, an Oscar and a Nobel peace prize, all for environmental hysteria. Just think if we all lived like him.
At least Chicken Little believed the sky was falling.
I can just hear him now. "I should have known there would be a down side to inventing the Internet."
the sky is falling
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RE: Energy Hog - 6/18/2008 12:34:24 PM
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Mentioned this to a friend of mine.
His reply: "Probably because he's growing pot."
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RE: Energy Hog - 6/18/2008 1:26:40 PM
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It may be my imagination but to me it looks like people like Al Gore are saying everyone must do away with heating, air conditioning, driving cars to where you need to go and throwing things away in the trash except for me. I can do all of that because I am special.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 1:33:30 PM
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"In the past year, (Al) Gore’s home burned through 213,210 kilowatt-hours (kWh) of electricity, enough to power 232 average American households for a month."
We've got a wolf leading a herd of sheep. This energy hog, who has a carbon foot print bigger than Sasquatch, won a Grammy, an Oscar and a Nobel peace prize, all for environmental hysteria. Just think if we all lived like him.
At least Chicken Little believed the sky was falling.
I can just hear him now. "I should have known there would be a down side to inventing the Internet."
the sky is falling
This works out to being roughly 160 barrels of oil, which is roughly 70% of a typical American family's total energy consumption for a year (250 barrels)
Considering Al's family drives hybrids, I would say it's fair to assume that after you factor in fuel, and factor out speaking engagements, his energy consumption is in line with a typical American household.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 1:49:30 PM
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This works out to being roughly 160 barrels of oil, which is roughly 70% of a typical American family's total energy consumption for a year (250 barrels)
Considering Al's family drives hybrids, I would say it's fair to assume that after you factor in fuel, and factor out speaking engagements, his energy consumption is in line with a typical American household.
With such a suck egg attitude you best not add in his private jet and open pit mining adventure on his Tenn. property.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 2:14:49 PM
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Al Gore deserves what he takes…he is much more important than the rest of us and it just plan takes extra energy to maintain his life style. It’s his job to tell us how to live…not the other way around.
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RE: Energy Hog - 6/18/2008 2:47:47 PM
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Al's has got to continue the "global warming" schtick...the guy is making millions off of it, and stands to make gazillions more, once he convinces entire countries that HIS plan will "save the world" (his "plan", typically includes the utilization of companies that Al has stock in, is on the "board of directors" of, or some other financial stake in....but, NEVER does that get mentioned!..)......
it's one big con game.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 3:10:46 PM
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With such a suck egg attitude you best not add in his private jet and open pit mining adventure on his Tenn. property.
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But don't you think those accrue to the people he's providing services to?
If your job is to drive a truck, does it make sense to say you consumed 15,000 gallons of fuel last year? Or does it make sense to only cover the stuff you used to drive your car?
Al's occasional private jet use is normally involved with his public speaking activities. And if you speak to 1000 people, your jet probably used 1/4 as much fuel as it took for them to drive their hybrids to the meeting. The total consumption would still probably be less than if President Bush got on Amtrak, showed up to speak at your church and 1000 people drove there.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 3:19:52 PM
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Well, I don't see how having your own open pit mining operation would be part of a business to *cough* promote environmental awareness.
But, the analogy would be more apt if we were talking about a truck driver who consumed 15,000 gallons a year in fuel driving a truck around that carried nothing but a billboard touting the evil of driving a truck around.
Otherwise, I see your point and totally agree that in the interest of saving the environment, we should definitely tell people who are concerned not to burn fuel and force Al Gore to burn fuel to go to one of his speaking engagements.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 3:56:08 PM
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Dear Blessed New Yorker, did you miss the fact that quote:
NASHVILLE - In the year since Al Gore took steps to make his home more energy-efficient, the former Vice President’s home energy use surged more than 10%, according to the Tennessee Center for Policy Research.
Just thought maybe you missed that.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 4:19:20 PM
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But don't you think those accrue to the people he's providing services to?
If your job is to drive a truck, does it make sense to say you consumed 15,000 gallons of fuel last year? Or does it make sense to only cover the stuff you used to drive your car?
Al's occasional private jet use is normally involved with his public speaking activities. And if you speak to 1000 people, your jet probably used 1/4 as much fuel as it took for them to drive their hybrids to the meeting. The total consumption would still probably be less than if President Bush got on Amtrak, showed up to speak at your church and 1000 people drove there.
But tell me why we should factor out Al Gore's use of a private jet? After all, couldn't he just fly commercial like the rest of us? I mean, just because he's going to make money that makes it ok to burn through as much fuel as is humanly possible in the process? That doesn't make sense. And he proposes the rest of us use public transportation and drive hybrids to get to work to make our money, so what makes his speaking engagements any different than that?
If his job was piloting airplanes, then maybe you would have a comparison between him and a trucker. Otherwise, it's apples and oranges.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 5:55:49 PM
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That was just one of his homes. I think he still owns multiple homes.
He drives a hybrid? That's like the really big person who goes to Wendy's and orders a triple bacon something or other, a giant order of fries, a large frosty and a diet coke. And then lectures other people that they eat too much.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 5:56:18 PM
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But don't you think those accrue to the people he's providing services to?
If your job is to drive a truck, does it make sense to say you consumed 15,000 gallons of fuel last year? Or does it make sense to only cover the stuff you used to drive your car?
Al's occasional private jet use is normally involved with his public speaking activities. And if you speak to 1000 people, your jet probably used 1/4 as much fuel as it took for them to drive their hybrids to the meeting. The total consumption would still probably be less than if President Bush got on Amtrak, showed up to speak at your church and 1000 people drove there.
But tell me why we should factor out Al Gore's use of a private jet? After all, couldn't he just fly commercial like the rest of us? I mean, just because he's going to make money that makes it ok to burn through as much fuel as is humanly possible in the process? That doesn't make sense. And he proposes the rest of us use public transportation and drive hybrids to get to work to make our money, so what makes his speaking engagements any different than that?
If his job was piloting airplanes, then maybe you would have a comparison between him and a trucker. Otherwise, it's apples and oranges.
Ok, what if your job is to sell pharmaceuticals.
Certainly, you could walk to all of the hospitals and carry your samples in a grocery cart.
Or you could ride the bus there.
But common practice is to drive a car there. For speakers, it's generally the same thing- common practice is to fly on a jet.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 6:32:34 PM
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Ok, what if your job is to sell pharmaceuticals.
Certainly, you could walk to all of the hospitals and carry your samples in a grocery cart.
Or you could ride the bus there.
But common practice is to drive a car there. For speakers, it's generally the same thing- common practice is to fly on a jet.
Well, normally I'd say "fair enough" to that, but we're talking about a speaker whose entire speaking career is based on telling people that they need to quit their common practices in order to save the planet from immediate destruction.
As such, shouldn't he live by example just a bit?
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 8:03:58 PM
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But don't you think those accrue to the people he's providing services to?
If your job is to drive a truck, does it make sense to say you consumed 15,000 gallons of fuel last year? Or does it make sense to only cover the stuff you used to drive your car?
Al's occasional private jet use is normally involved with his public speaking activities. And if you speak to 1000 people, your jet probably used 1/4 as much fuel as it took for them to drive their hybrids to the meeting. The total consumption would still probably be less than if President Bush got on Amtrak, showed up to speak at your church and 1000 people drove there.
But tell me why we should factor out Al Gore's use of a private jet? After all, couldn't he just fly commercial like the rest of us? I mean, just because he's going to make money that makes it ok to burn through as much fuel as is humanly possible in the process? That doesn't make sense. And he proposes the rest of us use public transportation and drive hybrids to get to work to make our money, so what makes his speaking engagements any different than that?
If his job was piloting airplanes, then maybe you would have a comparison between him and a trucker. Otherwise, it's apples and oranges.
Ok, what if your job is to sell pharmaceuticals.
Certainly, you could walk to all of the hospitals and carry your samples in a grocery cart.
Or you could ride the bus there.
But common practice is to drive a car there. For speakers, it's generally the same thing- common practice is to fly on a jet.
The point is it doesn't matter what common practice is, AL GORE is telling everyone they should do differently than "common practice". The point is that if he believes with his great big money hungry heart that global warming is going to kill us all, wouldn't he be leading by example? Instead he tells everyone else to carpool, ride a bike, use public transportation or walk to work in order to reduce their "carbon footprint" yet he does nothing of the sort. Hypocrisy, plain and simple.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 9:27:09 PM
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The point is it doesn't matter what common practice is, AL GORE is telling everyone they should do differently than "common practice". The point is that if he believes with his great big money hungry heart that global warming is going to kill us all, wouldn't he be leading by example? Instead he tells everyone else to carpool, ride a bike, use public transportation or walk to work in order to reduce their "carbon footprint" yet he does nothing of the sort. Hypocrisy, plain and simple.
I don't think he's telling people to stop flying private jets. He's telling people to drive hybrids and install CFLs for lighting, which he happens to also do. He's also installed solar panels in his back lawn, which must be very unsightly, but I don't think he expects others to go that far.
Does he travel in really fuel-inefficient aircraft?
Also, private jets get roughly 4-10 mpg. So in some cases, Al actually burns less fuel taking a Learjet there than he would if he drove (he also gets to go there in a straight line.)
I think most people assume private jets consume thousands and thousands of gallons of fuel, which simply isn't true.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/18/2008 10:03:56 PM
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I don't think he's telling people to stop flying private jets. He's telling people to drive hybrids and install CFLs for lighting, which he happens to also do. He's also installed solar panels in his back lawn, which must be very unsightly, but I don't think he expects others to go that far.
I'm pretty sure Lincoln Town Cars don't come in hybrid. I'm sure he has a couple of hybrid cars for photo ops and so forth. If we all had that luxury.
I'm saying that as someone who specifically found a place to live close enough to the grocery store that I can walk (it's a mile away).
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Does he travel in really fuel-inefficient aircraft?
Also, private jets get roughly 4-10 mpg. So in some cases, Al actually burns less fuel taking a Learjet there than he would if he drove (he also gets to go there in a straight line.)
I think most people assume private jets consume thousands and thousands of gallons of fuel, which simply isn't true.
I... really hope you don't think that jet fuel and gasoline are the same thing. Though since you probably don't refuel jets for a living, it's an understandable mistake.
Jets use jet fuel. Jets burning jet fuel create significantly more CO2 per gallon (21 lbs/gallon) than the average gasoline car (.916 lbs/gallon).
Specifically, Gore uses a Gulfstream (last I checked), which frankly is the most fuel inefficient and carbon-intensive private jet on the market. It burns 512 gallons of jet fuel per hour in the air, producing 10,803 lbs of CO2 per hour (I got these numbers from http://jets.halogenguides.com/articles/532-when-flying-in-a-private-jet-fly-carbon-neutral%20luxury-travel-magazine-jets, a company that sells carbon offsets so people can assuage their consciences by "flying carbon neutral").
So, not only does he fly a private jet, he also flies the heaviest most irresponsible private jet money can buy. *sigh*
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/19/2008 9:41:09 AM
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The point is it doesn't matter what common practice is, AL GORE is telling everyone they should do differently than "common practice". The point is that if he believes with his great big money hungry heart that global warming is going to kill us all, wouldn't he be leading by example? Instead he tells everyone else to carpool, ride a bike, use public transportation or walk to work in order to reduce their "carbon footprint" yet he does nothing of the sort. Hypocrisy, plain and simple.
I don't think he's telling people to stop flying private jets. He's telling people to drive hybrids and install CFLs for lighting, which he happens to also do. He's also installed solar panels in his back lawn, which must be very unsightly, but I don't think he expects others to go that far.
Does he travel in really fuel-inefficient aircraft?
Also, private jets get roughly 4-10 mpg. So in some cases, Al actually burns less fuel taking a Learjet there than he would if he drove (he also gets to go there in a straight line.)
I think most people assume private jets consume thousands and thousands of gallons of fuel, which simply isn't true.
 I'm sorry but your argument is laughable! So he thinks we ought to be told what kind of lightbulb to use but it is ok for him to fly all over the place in his private jet just because he didn't say anything about a private jet? Unbelievable! Seriously, my sides are starting to hurt, you gotta stop! !!!!!!
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He's also installed solar panels in his back lawn, which must be very unsightly, but I don't think he expects others to go that far.
Yeah, and I bet he doesn't expect others to go that far in a PRIVATE JET either, huh?
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/19/2008 11:23:38 AM
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I... really hope you don't think that jet fuel and gasoline are the same thing. Though since you probably don't refuel jets for a living, it's an understandable mistake.
IIRC, it's very close to kerosene or heating oil. Indeed, many airlines hedge their fuel costs with heating oil futures, because there's more of a market for it than jet fuel and it's closely related.
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Jets use jet fuel. Jets burning jet fuel create significantly more CO2 per gallon (21 lbs/gallon) than the average gasoline car (.916 lbs/gallon).
Here is an article from the government that suggests gasoline emits roughly 20 lbs/gallon:
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/Feg/co2.shtml
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So, not only does he fly a private jet, he also flies the heaviest most irresponsible private jet money can buy. *sigh*
It's certainly more fuel efficient than most boats.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/19/2008 12:32:49 PM
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So, not only does he fly a private jet, he also flies the heaviest most irresponsible private jet money can buy. *sigh*
It's certainly more fuel efficient than most boats.
I... really am not sure why you consider this to be a justification for the fact that someone who spends all his time telling us that we need to cut back flies in not only a private jet, but specifically the heaviest and most irresponsible private jet money can buy.
The guy is a hypocrite. The faster you accept that and realize that in order to be taken seriously, people who care about the environment need to step away from people who pretend to care about the environment only as long as it's OTHER people having to bear the burden of the caring, the better.
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/19/2008 12:52:58 PM
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I appreciate all the chatter about his mode of transportation vs ours, but the thread started out talking about his home using 213,210 KWH in a year. This averages out to nearly 20 homes per year. Multiply this by how many homes does he have that burn up that much energy? He has several, last I knew.
I just can't imagine how he can use up that much energy. Mind blowing!
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RE: Al Gore's total energy usage not that bad. - 6/19/2008 1:09:52 PM
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Add to that the fact that he uses natural gas for his heating also, so it's not like the electricity use is so high due to using it for heat.
In fact, for his mansion and the guest house, he spent an average of $1080 a month on natural gas.
Yikes.
And this is the guy selling everyone "carbon offsets". You know, those somewhat ethereal things that are the current way to make the average american feel better about themselves. I wish I had thought of that... make a movie so millions will pay to go watch it and make themselves feel guilty, and then sell them pieces of paper to make them feel less guilty about what they saw when they paid to see my movie.
Best scam artist EVAR!
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