Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so many religious denominations?
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Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so man... - 9/9/2008 3:55:49 AM
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10ecvols
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I am a 41 year old trying to find my path with GOD. Recentlly, I have spent many hours reading the bible, researching the internet, and praying for answers as to my beliefs in religion. The thing that bothers me is the number of religious folks trying to condemn others for what they believe.
The best example I can come up with is a football team in a huddle trying to call a play, but all eleven players are calling thier own plays, snap counts, audiables, hot routes, etc. With so many different denominations with different religious beliefs, how can a person like myself understand what GOD wants me to do?
Well...I felt like I had to say something about this topic because the devil must be enjoying watching so many religious folks spending so much energy fighting with each other on this verse says this not that...no I am right, you are wrong.
We as a religious community must get back to basics as a TEAM and spend our valuable time bringing more people to GOD and HIS word. We need to work to make this world a better place to live by helping others.
How do you feel?
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/9/2008 3:58:23 AM
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I am a 41 year old trying to find my path with GOD. Recentlly, I have spent many hours reading the bible, researching the internet, and praying for answers as to my beliefs in religion. The thing that bothers me is the number of religious folks trying to condemn others for what they believe.
The best example I can come up with is a football team in a huddle trying to call a play, but all eleven players are calling thier own plays, snap counts, audiables, hot routes, etc. With so many different denominations with different religious beliefs, how can a person like myself understand what GOD wants me to do?
Well...I felt like I had to say something about this topic because the devil must be enjoying watching so many religious folks spending so much energy fighting with each other on this verse says this not that...no I am right, you are wrong.
We as a religious community must get back to basics as a TEAM and spend our valuable time bringing more people to GOD and HIS word. We need to work to make this world a better place to live by helping others.
How do you feel?
I personally think that Satan would be worried about so many people wanting to learn more about the word of God.
I think that each time we debate about it that just brings us closer together. And im sure God loves it that we are so on fire for knowing the word that we would be so eager in trying to lead others to the TRUTH.
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/9/2008 7:47:44 AM
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We need no help from satan to be devisive.
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/9/2008 8:17:39 AM
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SonInMe1
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Can ya have a forum without differing ideas?
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/9/2008 8:20:51 AM
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Certainly not, I wouldn't learn anything from here if everyone thought the same way I did.
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/9/2008 8:29:35 AM
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We need no help from satan to be devisive.
Bingo... it's a little of him and a lot of us.
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/9/2008 8:48:09 AM
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Hi 10ecvols,
Welcome to the Forums. I had to check twice in case it was me who wrote your post. But it's you alright. And I agree with you 100%.
As others have said, discussing our different viewpoints is good because that's how we learn from each other and grow in Faith. But like you, I am sadenned with all the deep divisions within the many churches. The devil must be laughing at his successes.
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/9/2008 8:56:49 AM
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For the first time in my life i went to a baptist church last sunday. At the end , some folks were talking badly about catholics... They were saying that we may be surprise in paradise to see catholics there!!! Wow
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/9/2008 9:06:19 AM
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Jesus said that in Heaven there are many rooms. This is to keep every denomination separately - so that they all think they're the only ones there !!!
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/9/2008 9:06:33 AM
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For the first time in my life i went to a baptist church last sunday. At the end , some folks were talking badly about catholics... They were saying that we may be surprise in paradise to see catholics there!!! Wow
I grew up in a Baptist church and remember that sort of sentiment. That is part of the reason I no longer attend said Baptist church, but I have since found a wonderful Pentecostal church to attend! :) I am sure that not every Baptist church is that way and certainly not all baptists are that way (I know my mom is not that way).
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/9/2008 11:52:42 PM
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I've had my own journey with Christian denominations and I think there are true Christians in each denomination--it has to do more with your heart before God and worshiping Him in spirit and in truth as well as aligning your belief's to Christ's teachings.
I've read somewhere that denominations are (fallen) man's approach to God. That made the most sense to me.
Yeah, though, I have to agree that there can be a lot of confusion over the different denominations--but it helps to think it through.
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/10/2008 4:41:13 AM
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The best example I can come up with is a football team in a huddle trying to call a play, but all eleven players are calling thier own plays, snap counts, audiables, hot routes, etc. With so many different denominations with different religious beliefs, how can a person like myself understand what GOD wants me to do?
I think you've made a very good point. However, there is also a need for those in the faith to think things through, talk things out, and grapple with some of the deeper things of the faith. And there needs to be a place for that to happen as well. The forum can't really separate out those who are more mature from the lesser mature in the faith. So the individual has to do that for himself. That's when you just have to say 'no' and either stay away from a topic because of the confusion it may be causing or read it and gain knowledge and let it prompt you to further study on your own.
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/10/2008 8:20:01 AM
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When iron sharpens iron...sparks fly.
Life, as far as I have known it, is not easy and the best way I learn is through...pain. The bible talks about being tempered in a fire...ya know...that cannot be comfortable.
We are SO spoiled today that any slight or offence or trouble is looked upon as some kind of disastor. Nope. More times or not God tries to give you the easier way out..but you take your way, get in trouble and the stuff hits the fan.
Its my understanding from readint the bible that obediant people get tempered. Disobediant get discipline. There is a difference.
Obediance will bring you challenges in your life to mature you closer to God.
Disobediance is God making sure you don't head down that path again usually with some discomfort. You're not maturing...your stagnant...or maybe even ging the wrong way. Drinking milk. Not getting blessed.
The bible talks about obediance and disobediance in Deuteronomy 28 and this chapter has always defined this aspect not just with what it says...but the quantity as well.
14 verses on the blessings that come from obediance. 50 some verses on the curses for disobediance......I think God knows us...well
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You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/10/2008 12:51:29 PM
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Well, IMO, 'denominational' difference(or family/tradition or discrimination)in closely held priorities will be purged at the Christ's Bema' throne(His saint's judgment). Painting in broad sweeps is dangerous perhaps some would tend to look the tradition rather then one's obedience/allegiance to Christ. George Mueller and Mother Teresa were pretty far apart 'denominationally' but they had the same heart in obedience, worship and service. One can't ever be sure of course but I fully except to join them in Glory!
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/10/2008 4:14:04 PM
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This is a very interesting discussion. I grew up in a Baptist Church. I accepted Jesus as my Savior and Baptisted when I was eight. I never knew of any other denominations until was an adult. I knew that there
were false doctorines such as the JW and Mormons but that was about it. I had no idea that people just plain didn't believe in God.
It wasn't until about 2 years ago, I got into a discussion on an internet forum with an atheist and a JW.
I heard all the statments: You just believe what you do because you were brought up that way and never questioned it. What about all the people that believe that their believe is the "right" one, or how about all those poor people in other countries that never heard of God.....you know...on and on.
What that discussion did for me was really make me examine what I was taught and and then decide for myself what I did believe. It was a very eye opening experience for me. I started studying the Bible like I had never had before. I found out who Jesus is, and what I believe about Him. My beliefs became stronger than ever. It didn't matter what the denomination was as long as I had a "relationship" with Jesus Christ by confessing my sins, asking His forgiveness, putting Him first, and living a surrenderd life that is what it is all about.
I do think that satan will do anything to take your eyes off of Jesus. That is where the confusion
comes from when denominations don't teach the Truth. WHen they don't teach the Bible.
sally
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/10/2008 5:41:32 PM
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TorchHeart - there are some awfully small towns in this country (world, actually), and you never know how old someone is in this forum - they could have grown up in childhood before there was this thing called the internet ... and maybe never left their tiny, insular home town until an "adult" - whatever that definition is for the person.
Everyone is on a journey ...
Blessings.
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/10/2008 5:48:42 PM
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With so many different denominations with different religious beliefs, how can a person like myself understand what GOD wants me to do?
Jn 17:11 And I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them in your name, which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are one.
Jn 17:21-23 that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me. (22) The glory that you have given me I have given to them, that they may be one even as we are one, (23) I in them and you in me, that they may become perfectly one, so that the world may know that you sent me and loved them even as you loved me.
2 Ti 2:14-15 Remind them of these things, solemnly testifying before the Lord not to dispute about words for nothing useful, to the subversion of those hearing. (15) Give diligence to present yourself approved to God, a workman unashamed, rightly dividing the Word of Truth.
2 Timothy 3:14-17 But you keep on in what you learned and were assured of, knowing from whom you learned, (15) and that from a babe you know the Holy Scriptures, those being able to make you wise to salvation through belief in Christ Jesus. (16) All Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, (17) so that the man of God may be perfected, being fully furnished for every good work.
May God bless you in your search for the wisdom that comes from Christ Jesus
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/10/2008 10:06:51 PM
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I like to seperate Christianity and Religon , Christianity is our way of life , Religion is mans twist (package of views ) put on the people that want to agree with there view point. In 1 Corinthians
Divisions in the Church
10 I appeal to you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another so that there may be no divisions among you and that you may be perfectly united in mind and thought. 11My brothers, some from Chloe's household have informed me that there are quarrels among you. 12What I mean is this: One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas[a]"; still another, "I follow Christ."
13Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? 14I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you except Crispus and Gaius, 15so no one can say that you were baptized into my name. 16(Yes, I also baptized the household of Stephanas; beyond that, I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.) 17For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power
This can be picked apart as much as any other thing you choose to or not to , Just rember we are no longer in control of our live Jesus is and he alone will Determine our steps.
We as Christians should put down our diffrences and embrace or common view our Lord Jesus Christ because we have been leting Satan have or children . 40 MILLION ABORTIANS , http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html . we have a web site for our missing children. An thttp://www.missingkids.com/. An our biggest debate is speaking in toungs , we are lost and i pray to God for it to be his will we awaken.
Matthew 13 (New International Version)
11He replied, "The knowledge of the secrets of the kingdom of heaven has been given to you, but not to them. 12Whoever has will be given more, and he will have an abundance. Whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken from him. 13This is why I speak to them in parables:
"Though seeing, they do not see;
though hearing, they do not hear or understand. 14In them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah:
" 'You will be ever hearing but never understanding;
you will be ever seeing but never perceiving.
15For this people's heart has become calloused;
they hardly hear with their ears,
and they have closed their eyes.
Otherwise they might see with their eyes,
hear with their ears,
understand with their hearts
and turn, and I would heal them.'[a] 16But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. 17For I tell you the truth, many prophets and righteous men longed to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did not hear it.
Jesus Prays for All Believers
20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21( that all of them may be one) , Father, just as you are in me and I am in you. May they also be in us so that the world may believe that you have sent me. 22I have given them the glory that you gave me,( that they may be one as we are one): 23I in them and you in me. May they be brought to complete unity to let the world know that you sent me and have loved them even as you have loved me. 24"Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world. 25"Righteous Father, though the world does not know you, I know you, and they know that you have sent me. 26I have made you known to them, and will continue to make you known in order that the love you have for me may be in them and that I myself may be in them."
sorry got long winded, i pray this helps many for i am blessed by loving you , brothers and sisters in Christ.
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/11/2008 2:06:49 PM
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I never knew of any other denominations until was an adult.
Seriously?!  You were an adult before you found out that there were other branches of Christianity than just Baptist?
Or am I misunderstanding? I don't mean to be offensive, but I just have a hard time understanding how someone could go that long without realizing that there are other forms of Christianity, like Lutherans, Pentacostals, Evangelicals, etc.
Well, I do have to admit, after thinking about it more, I did know about the Methodist....
But, yes, seriously I just wasn't taught about other denominations or religions. And like
Theo offered I did grow up in a time when, did that time ever exist?? that we didn't have
the internet......lol.....yep, showing my age.!
But no offense taken. But I did grow up in a very small southern town!
You know God was in control, maybe he knew that I didn't need to be exposed to other denominations,
maybe I wasn't ready. His timing is perfect, and I know that He allowed me to learn in His timing. The
journey is very exciting. I know the Truth and now I am ready to share it.
sally
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RE: Do you think the devil is causing confusion with so... - 9/12/2008 10:35:02 AM
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The devil is NOT ONLY causing confusion with so many religious denominations but also division.
A house divided against itself cannot stand.
/\(from Abraham Lincoln taken from Matthew 12:25)
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