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DARK MATTER - 7/28/2008 10:30:04 PM
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Godhead
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I think that scientist are just too smart to believe in God, so they seek their answers elsewhere. They say that there is no evidence for God, but what that means is that they cannot dig up a piece of Him and study it under a microscope. The problem is with that is, God is a spirit and therefore cannot be handle like a rock or fossil. Its not a matter of science, but a dark matter indeed, that is they are grouping around in the dark. Jesus said, “I thank you father, for you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and given them unto babes.” The Apostle Paul said, “God chooses the foolish things of this world, to confound the wise.”
They have already found the evidence for God, and yet they call that evidence, dark matter. If you don’t know the idea of dark matter, there is this uniform force, that is keeping the stars of our galaxy together, exerting a constant and uniform gravity field. This goes against the laws of physics. For as you move away from the center of the galaxy, the gravity field should weaken, and this should cause the other stars to be flung out into space. Yet from the center outwards to the furthest edges of the galaxy the gravity field remains constant. There is no gravity curve. They know that there is this invisible force, that is fare greater then the physical galaxy. It is uniformly everywhere, and it cannot be seen or felt. They know this for it is holding the galaxy together, along with every other galaxy. So therefore there is this something, that is greater then the galaxy, that cannot be seen or felt and is everywhere around us. They explain it away as dark matter, knowing that it is there, for its effects can be clearly seen. The Bible tells us that this is God. The Apostle Paul said, “In Him we live and move and have our being.” He cannot be seen, but He who made the stars also, is the force holding them together. It is God who stops the galaxies from flying apart. So this is clear evidence of God’s existence. The sad thing is, that scientist cannot accept this, because of their prejudice against Him, and therefore make up these bizarre theories about something that cannot really exist, but is clearly there. Its not that there is dark matter in the universe, but darkness in their hearts. What a great God He is. Not only is He holding the stars together within the palm of His hand, but that He sent His son into the world to be our light.
I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12)
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 12:00:30 AM
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I think that scientist are just too smart to believe in God, so they seek their answers elsewhere. They say that there is no evidence for God, but what that means is that they cannot dig up a piece of Him and study it under a microscope. The problem is with that is, God is a spirit and therefore cannot be handle like a rock or fossil. Its not a matter of science, but a dark matter indeed, that is they are grouping around in the dark. Jesus said, “I thank you father, for you have hidden these things from the wise and prudent, and given them unto babes.” The Apostle Paul said, “God chooses the foolish things of this world, to confound the wise.”
They have already found the evidence for God, and yet they call that evidence, dark matter. If you don’t know the idea of dark matter, there is this uniform force, that is keeping the stars of our galaxy together, exerting a constant and uniform gravity field. This goes against the laws of physics. For as you move away from the center of the galaxy, the gravity field should weaken, and this should cause the other stars to be flung out into space. Yet from the center outwards to the furthest edges of the galaxy the gravity field remains constant. There is no gravity curve. They know that there is this invisible force, that is fare greater then the physical galaxy. It is uniformly everywhere, and it cannot be seen or felt. They know this for it is holding the galaxy together, along with every other galaxy. So therefore there is this something, that is greater then the galaxy, that cannot be seen or felt and is everywhere around us. They explain it away as dark matter, knowing that it is there, for its effects can be clearly seen. The Bible tells us that this is God. The Apostle Paul said, “In Him we live and move and have our being.” He cannot be seen, but He who made the stars also, is the force holding them together. It is God who stops the galaxies from flying apart. So this is clear evidence of God’s existence. The sad thing is, that scientist cannot accept this, because of their prejudice against Him, and therefore make up these bizarre theories about something that cannot really exist, but is clearly there. Its not that there is dark matter in the universe, but darkness in their hearts. What a great God He is. Not only is He holding the stars together within the palm of His hand, but that He sent His son into the world to be our light.
I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12)
I'm speechless.
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 12:05:25 AM
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I thought god was a particle named boson that scientists have been searching for for a long time... higgs boson.
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 4:05:02 AM
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My favorite part:
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This goes against the laws of physics. For as you move away from the center of the galaxy, the gravity field should weaken, and this should cause the other stars to be flung out into space. Yet from the center outwards to the furthest edges of the galaxy the gravity field remains constant.
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 8:32:37 AM
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ORIGINAL: Godhead
They have already found the evidence for God, and yet they call that evidence, dark matter. If you don’t know the idea of dark matter, there is this uniform force, that is keeping the stars of our galaxy together, exerting a constant and uniform gravity field. This goes against the laws of physics. For as you move away from the center of the galaxy, the gravity field should weaken, and this should cause the other stars to be flung out into space. Yet from the center outwards to the furthest edges of the galaxy the gravity field remains constant. There is no gravity curve. They know that there is this invisible force, that is fare greater then the physical galaxy. It is uniformly everywhere, and it cannot be seen or felt. They know this for it is holding the galaxy together, along with every other galaxy. So therefore there is this something, that is greater then the galaxy, that cannot be seen or felt and is everywhere around us. They explain it away as dark matter, knowing that it is there, for its effects can be clearly seen. The Bible tells us that this is God. The Apostle Paul said, “In Him we live and move and have our being.” He cannot be seen, but He who made the stars also, is the force holding them together. It is God who stops the galaxies from flying apart. So this is clear evidence of God’s existence. The sad thing is, that scientist cannot accept this, because of their prejudice against Him, and therefore make up these bizarre theories about something that cannot really exist, but is clearly there. Its not that there is dark matter in the universe, but darkness in their hearts. What a great God He is. Not only is He holding the stars together within the palm of His hand, but that He sent His son into the world to be our light.
I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. (John 8:12)
Where to begin....
No, dark matter isn't uniformly everywhere. Scientists are mapping it out as we speak.
It can't be seen directly, but it can be felt - that's how scientists know it's there. Dark Matter interacts with other matter only via gravity, not via the electromagnetic forces (e.g. light, heat, magnetic fields, etc) we're more used to using to study thing. However, scientists can measure the gravitational forces being exerted on other things in the area (including light from other stars) and deduce that something is out there.
-Dan.
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 9:41:56 AM
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Where to begin....
No, dark matter isn't uniformly everywhere. Scientists are mapping it out as we speak.
It can't be seen directly, but it can be felt - that's how scientists know it's there. Dark Matter interacts with other matter only via gravity, not via the electromagnetic forces (e.g. light, heat, magnetic fields, etc) we're more used to using to study thing. However, scientists can measure the gravitational forces being exerted on other things in the area (including light from other stars) and deduce that something is out there.
-Dan.
Exactly. Most matter that we know of is based off of electromagnetic interaction. This is the form of matter with which we are used to dealing.
Most matter in the universe (by mass) is not based off of electromagnetics, but off of gravity. The reason that we call this matter "dark" matter is that we know very little about it other than that it doesn't interact electromagnetically. There are many questions left to answer about dark matter, but it doesn't lend itself to types of questions you (Godhead) seem to be posing.
Dark matter is not some form of exotic, mysterious matter that is supernatural. It is a part of our physical universe about which we are still learning.
So, Godhead, while your sermon(?) was very eloquent, it doesn't really line up with what we know about dark matter.
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 11:37:06 AM
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Godhead,
I don't think most theologians would describe God as a weakly interacting massive particle (WIMP) that is mostly found between galaxies. I also doubt that most theologians would describe God as being limited to adding mass to galaxies and bending light through gravitational distortions.
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 1:41:48 PM
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Godhead,
I don't think most theologians would describe God as a weakly interacting massive particle (WIMP) that is mostly found between galaxies. I also doubt that most theologians would describe God as being limited to adding mass to galaxies and bending light through gravitational distortions.
I agree, but I do love it when believers wax poetic about their deepest cognitive meanderings. I sincerely DO NOT mean this in a derogatory way either. I gained perspective from this post that sincerely will aid in my effort to understand and perhaps one day join the ranks of the faithful. I found it to be quite good fortune that this thread popped up literally just minutes before a program hosted by Alan Alda popped up on my television regarding dark matter research.
Normally I would have simply sat watching, fascinated, but last night I had been so recently given a theist's perspective on this particular (pun intended) scientific subject that I could watch it with a new perspective. Having just been informed of how a theist hears this information I was able to kind of hear what they hear when these topics are discussed. It's always been very clear to me that theists and non-theists DO NOT hear the same things when they hear about evolution and cosmology, but applying my own perspective, I could never put my finger exactly on why.
I think i did a good job of hearing it a little more like a real theist last night. For instance, when one scientist interviewed said "Astronomers don't know what Dark Matter is", I was able to mentally put myself in the shoes of a theist and think "then it must be God".
When they said that they could "see the effect of its gravity on regular matter." Instead of hearing it my normal way and thinking "then it must be there", I was able to hear it in the theist's way and think "then it must be God". Also, when they said "one possibility is that it's regular matter, but isn't emitting enough light for us to see," I was able to suspend my own reaction, which would have been "that makes sense because the earth has gravity but doesn't emit any light so clearly not all matter emits light," and think along theist lines which led me to say "no way, it has to be God."
I really got going on my hour in the mental life of a theist when the scientists made the mistake of admitting that "another idea is that Dark Matter is an exotic form of matter that's much more massive than regular particles, but interact so weakly that they're almost impossible to detect", because this to me basically sealed the deal, it was most definitely, unquestionably, GOD who was dark matter acting on all the other matter.
In fact at one point I became so engrossed in my theistic cognition exercise that my eyes actually began to gloss over when the scientists gave the detailed explanation of how painstaking and disciplined the process had been to arrive at their current understanding. It even occurred to me once that these men and women really knew it was God, but that they refused to accept it, so they worked feverishly to find some way, any way to make it ok to not believe.
I appreciate the perspective I have gained. I'm happy to report though that I'm back to my old self, "searching".
< Message edited by wayward1 -- 7/29/2008 1:51:39 PM >
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 3:09:56 PM
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Wayward1,
ROFL. That was truly excellent One of the best posts I have erad here in a while.
You could have carried it one step further and just postulated that angels push all those stars and galaxies around... and thus no need for Dark Matter (TM).
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 7:46:00 PM
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wayward1
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Wayward1,
ROFL. That was truly excellent One of the best posts I have erad here in a while.
You could have carried it one step further and just postulated that angels push all those stars and galaxies around... and thus no need for Dark Matter (TM).
Two hours into it I would have been there, but it was a brief exercise, lol. thanks though
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 10:15:48 PM
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Method
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I think i did a good job of hearing it a little more like a real theist last night. For instance, when one scientist interviewed said "Astronomers don't know what Dark Matter is", I was able to mentally put myself in the shoes of a theist and think "then it must be God".
To be fair, not all theists would think this. I don't think gluadys would put forth such a claim.
However, it has been the main push of certain theists. With that I will agree. When you define religion as a "mystery" then any mystery becomes God. Gods in different cultures in different ages were said to be responsible for phenomena that we now know are caused by very natural means. For people such as theistic evolutionists and pantheists there is no need for a shift since God is seen as acting through nature, not separately from it as it is viewed within ID and creationism. Einstein viewed God and Nature as one in the same, but never believed in a personal God or any specific god of any religion. IMHO, Einstein was probably closer to the truth than most.
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RE: DARK MATTER - 7/29/2008 11:22:12 PM
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wayward1
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I think i did a good job of hearing it a little more like a real theist last night. For instance, when one scientist interviewed said "Astronomers don't know what Dark Matter is", I was able to mentally put myself in the shoes of a theist and think "then it must be God".
To be fair, not all theists would think this. I don't think gluadys would put forth such a claim.
However, it has been the main push of certain theists. With that I will agree. When you define religion as a "mystery" then any mystery becomes God. Gods in different cultures in different ages were said to be responsible for phenomena that we now know are caused by very natural means. For people such as theistic evolutionists and pantheists there is no need for a shift since God is seen as acting through nature, not separately from it as it is viewed within ID and creationism. Einstein viewed God and Nature as one in the same, but never believed in a personal God or any specific god of any religion. IMHO, Einstein was probably closer to the truth than most.
Well, yeah, considering the fact that I consider myself a "theist" of sorts I would obviously have to agree. It was a post riddled with generalities but parts of it I did mean very sincerely. Much of my interaction here has given me the glimpse I needed into the minds of the "truly surrendered" to understand what it is that literally blocks certain stuff out. I mean there has to be something that causes one human to eagerly absorb new information and another to almost literally stop hearing when it is spoken in their presence.
It has been so bewildering to me that I could hardly function. I was joking a bit in that post but to some degree I meant that I really did get a feel for what it's like to try to take science into my brain when God is already there. It's virtually impossible. I would use the word brainwashing if it wasn't so offensive, but when you work from the assumption that you already have the truth the whole truth and nothing else but the truth coursing through your mind body and soul, there's very little room for serious consideration of "conflicting information" in your mind. If this isn't a form of brainwashing then I don't know what to call it. Braindirtying perhaps.
I better add a qualifier here. I feel myself falling into the same trap of discounting by default any information that counters my current opinions. When I find an author I trust whose work aligns with my beliefs I have a bad habit of granting tacit authority to that individual to basically think for me. I'll read their work and assume their "beliefs" as my own. Our minds just do this. We seek out information that corroborates our stance and we seek finality on matters. When we believe we have them necked down to a "science" we start rejecting any new info that might happen to go against it. For the faithful the thought process sounds something like "well that bit of scientific data can't be true because the bible says this instead". For the unfaithful the thought process sounds something like "well that part of the bible can't be true because science has proven this instead". I think real "knowledge" is only reached by people who get smart enough to know and admit how much they just don't know. But there is a valuable argument to be made for siding with the cumulative result of thousands of years of human inquisitiveness. To me the body of work accumulated by our collective curiosity is the embodiment of gloriousness. We didn't have to dig into the world, but we did, and what we can do and what we know is so amazing that I'm simply dumbfounded by it. If He's out there I can't imagine it wasn't all God's intention that we should do so.
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