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Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 6:56:20 AM
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TMeeks
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Opportunist or leader? Scaremonger or guiding light?
Is Obama a self-serving demagog, ready to scare the American people to win a job? Will he use these same tactics if he is elected to grab more power?
While 9% of homeowners that took out those ridiculous 'creative finance' loans are either behind or in foreclosure, 91% of homeowners are paying their mortgages. But, I would bet that most people think the problem is much higher.
Moreover, this 9% that are failing to pay their payments come from California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona, Michigan, Rhode Island and Ohio. That leaves (if you use the number of states Obama, mathematical genius, claims we have i.e. 59) 52 states without a major crises.
This crises came about because greedy people, from the unqualified homebuyers to appraisers, real estate agents, mortgage brokers and politicians pushing Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae to make more loans. Remember, the CEO at Fannie May, Franklin Raines, that is responsible for this travesty was a Clinton Man that Kerry was planning to bring into his cabinet.
There is more than enough blame to go around. But, scarmongering and demagoguery are not qualities of leadership. Talking down our country to move up shows that Obama is a dangerous man to have at the helm. Frankly, I don't trust someone that has a vested interest in promoting our failure.
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RE: Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 7:09:24 AM
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Yep. Agreed.
Im just waiting for his new ad on the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the takeover of Merrill Lynch.
He will use that next, im sure of it.
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RE: Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 7:19:17 AM
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While 9% of homeowners that took out those ridiculous 'creative finance' loans are either behind or in foreclosure, 91% of homeowners are paying their mortgages. But, I would bet that most people think the problem is much higher.
I didn't think it was that high. You don't think that only 9% of mortgages going into foreclosure is a big deal? In an average neighborhood, that would be one house every block or 5+ houses PER STREET. If you don't think that's a big deal, what do you think is a big deal?
-Dan.
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RE: Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 7:19:42 AM
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Look at the leadership at the these companies and you will see democrat supporters at the helm of most of them.
Here is an interesting expose of the politicians that benefitted most from Lehman Brother's employee's donations.
The hypocracy of Obama, Schummer, Dodd and others is staggering.
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Yep. Agreed.
Im just waiting for his new ad on the collapse of Lehman Brothers and the takeover of Merrill Lynch.
He will use that next, im sure of it.
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RE: Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 7:23:14 AM
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Thessa
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Look at the leadership at the these companies and you will see democrat supporters at the helm of most of them.
That wouldnt suprise me one bit.
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RE: Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 9:09:15 AM
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While 9% of homeowners that took out those ridiculous 'creative finance' loans are either behind or in foreclosure, 91% of homeowners are paying their mortgages. But, I would bet that most people think the problem is much higher.
I didn't think it was that high. You don't think that only 9% of mortgages going into foreclosure is a big deal? In an average neighborhood, that would be one house every block or 5+ houses PER STREET. If you don't think that's a big deal, what do you think is a big deal?
-Dan.
While 9% may/may not be a dig deal that doesn't mean the government should be responsible for bailing out either the companies that held these lousy mortgages or the folks that bought houses they could not afford and are now crying about it!
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RE: Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 9:13:50 AM
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While 9% may/may not be a dig deal that doesn't mean the government should be responsible for bailing out either the companies that held these lousy mortgages or the folks that bought houses they could not afford and are now crying about it!
Maybe the gov't shouldn't be responsible for it, but the justification has been that it's better than the alternative.
I don't like the bailouts either, but I wouldn't be surprised if, in the long run, there really isn't any way to completely avoid them. However, I'd like to think that GOOD regulation and GOOD oversight could help prevent the need for bailouts in the future.
-Dan.
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RE: Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 9:19:51 AM
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GOOD oversight
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And who would you suggest?
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RE: Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 9:23:06 AM
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GOOD oversight
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And who would you suggest?
Not all regulatory agencies are bad or incompetent.
-Dan.
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RE: Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 2:18:07 PM
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I'm not sure it's demagogary and scare tactics or if Obama is just that pessimistic and down on this country. Everything I hear him say is so negative, I can't stand it. I heard a clip on the radio where he said (in response to what McCain is saying now about the economy) that we're seeing an "economic philosophy that has failed" - what, capitalism?? He scares me!! I'll see if I can find that in context somewhere; I believe it was a clip from a campaign stop from earlier today.
Edited to add....Here it is from earlier today in Colorado (part of what he said)...
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Now I certainly don’t fault Senator McCain for all of the problems we’re facing, but I do fault the economic philosophy he subscribes to. Because the truth is, what Senator McCain said yesterday fits with the same economic philosophy that he’s had for 26 years. It’s the philosophy that says we should give more and more to those with the most and hope that prosperity trickles down. It’s the philosophy that says even common-sense regulations are unnecessary and unwise. It’s a philosophy that lets Washington lobbyists shred consumer protections and distort our economy so it works for the special interests instead of working people.
We’ve had this philosophy for eight years. We know the results. You feel it in your own lives. Jobs have disappeared, and peoples’ life savings have been put at risk. Millions of families face foreclosure, and millions more have seen their home values plummet. The cost of everything from gas to groceries to health care has gone up, while the dream of a college education for our kids and a secure and dignified retirement for our seniors is slipping away. These are the struggles that Americans are facing. This is the pain that has now trickled up.
So let’s be clear: what we’ve seen the last few days is nothing less than the final verdict on an economic philosophy that has completely failed. And I am running for President of the United States because the dreams of the American people must not be endangered any more. It’s time to put an end to a broken system in Washington that is breaking the American economy. It’s time for change that makes a real difference in your lives.
This absolutely makes me nutso! The dumb dumb voters all over this country are going to fall for this nonsense! Goodness, we can't blame ourselves or the socialists we've been electing, passing legislation to make it easier and easier for just anybody to get a loan whether they have any reasonable way of meeting the terms or not - but putting the government (the rest of us) on the hook for the bill when it all blows up in their faces. That's not capitalism. That's what's breaking the American economy. It can't possibly have anything to do with the mess Clinton made of the regulatory agencies and processes while he was tinkering with things for 8 years! Of course not!! IMO, this is worse than socialism because it's subverted socialism for the stupid people.
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RE: Chicken Little Politics - 9/16/2008 2:24:51 PM
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Thessa
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I'm not sure it's demagogary and scare tactics or if Obama is just that pessimistic and down on this country. Everything I hear him say is so negative, I can't stand it. I heard a clip on the radio where he said (in response to what McCain is saying now about the economy) that we're seeing an "economic philosophy that has failed" - what, capitalism?? He scares me!! I'll see if I can find that in context somewhere; I believe it was a clip from a campaign stop from earlier today.
I know what you mean!
And hes sooo boring now. Today on Fox News after a speech from McCain they went straight to a speech Obama was making and all he did was talk about McCain. And Bush. I turned it off really quick. Its like okayyyyy geeeeeez. Cant he talk about ANYTHING else now?
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