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Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/9/2008 11:35:52 PM
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Zhi
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Last Thursday here in Denver, an driver who had been driving erratically for some time ran a red light and slammed into a pickup. The pickup was shoved into a Baskin Robbins. Both women in the pickup, and a 3 year old boy who was eating ice cream in the shop, died within minutes. The driver was unharmed, or at least unharmed enough to lead the police on a chase by foot for two hours until officers with K-9 units found him half undressed in an attempt to change his appearance.
The driver was 23 years old, driving without a license. He's an illegal immigrant from Guatemala. He's been arrested at least 16 different times in the past 5 years, with charges including forgery, fraud, theft, assault, and driving without a license. ICE was supposedly contacted in a few of the cases, but they never bothered showing up to look into it. In Denver, they weren't even called, because the mayor has decided Denver is a "sanctuary city" and the police aren't supposed to call ICE.
And people wonder why more and more people are getting really mad about the illegal immigration fiasco...
When will it be enough?
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/17424106/detail.html
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 12:00:59 AM
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Last Thursday here in Denver, an driver who had been driving erratically for some time ran a red light and slammed into a pickup. The pickup was shoved into a Baskin Robbins. Both women in the pickup, and a 3 year old boy who was eating ice cream in the shop, died within minutes. The driver was unharmed, or at least unharmed enough to lead the police on a chase by foot for two hours until officers with K-9 units found him half undressed in an attempt to change his appearance.
The driver was 23 years old, driving without a license. He's an illegal immigrant from Guatemala. He's been arrested at least 16 different times in the past 5 years, with charges including forgery, fraud, theft, assault, and driving without a license. ICE was supposedly contacted in a few of the cases, but they never bothered showing up to look into it. In Denver, they weren't even called, because the mayor has decided Denver is a "sanctuary city" and the police aren't supposed to call ICE.
And people wonder why more and more people are getting really mad about the illegal immigration fiasco...
When will it be enough?
http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/17424106/detail.html
So illegal aliens are not here ONLY to do work that Americans won't do?
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 10:42:08 AM
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So illegal aliens are not here ONLY to do work that Americans won't do?
I guess there was an opening in the "thug" sector. *sigh*
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 11:30:01 AM
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Last Thursday here in Denver, an driver who had been driving erratically for some time ran a red light and slammed into a pickup. The pickup was shoved into a Baskin Robbins.
Did the man blame the "ROCKY ROAD" conditions on his inability to control the vehicle he was driving?
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And people wonder why more and more people are getting really mad about the illegal immigration fiasco...
good point. though, we have plenty of 100% American citizens who have rap sheets just as long, or longer......and are out driving on the roads...and creating all sorts of mayhem.....
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 2:20:26 PM
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Last Thursday here in Denver, an driver who had been driving erratically for some time ran a red light and slammed into a pickup. The pickup was shoved into a Baskin Robbins.
Did the man blame the "ROCKY ROAD" conditions on his inability to control the vehicle he was driving?
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And people wonder why more and more people are getting really mad about the illegal immigration fiasco...
good point. though, we have plenty of 100% American citizens who have rap sheets just as long, or longer......and are out driving on the roads...and creating all sorts of mayhem.....
I am no fan of moral relativism, and this is another reason why. That is like saying "So what if illegals come here and kill our innocent women and children, other people do it too". Could you look into the family's eyes and say "Hey, Americans kill people all the time so quit crying about it"?
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 2:24:28 PM
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I know the people living here illegally makes me mad enough that I do not want to think about it. There is nothing we can do except make our voices heard at the voting booth.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 2:29:27 PM
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good point. though, we have plenty of 100% American citizens who have rap sheets just as long, or longer......and are out driving on the roads...and creating all sorts of mayhem.....
I'm sure there are, but if he had been deported, for any ONE of those 16 arrests, several of which were FELONIES, those two women and that little boy would still be alive. Not to mention all the crimes that he wouldn't have committed (which kept getting him arrested).
In a tragic stroke of irony, the boy is the son of a family of legal immigrants, who spent years and thousands of dollars to enter this country properly.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 2:52:06 PM
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who spent years and thousands of dollars to enter this country properly.
not that I am a "fan" or supporter of Illegal immigration.....but, that last comment sure makes it sound like only the "rich & wealthy" (who have tens of thousands of dollars to spend on immigration lawyers and the such) to "bribe" their way through the system....to pay and get the "right" to live here?
doesn't sound like Ellis Island to me....(then again, not everyone went through there, either...millions flowed in "illegally"...off of ships at ports...primarily in the Southeast....and in the West....)
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I'm sure there are, but if he had been deported, for any ONE of those 16 arrests, several of which were FELONIES, those two women and that little boy would still be alive. Not to mention all the crimes that he wouldn't have committed (which kept getting him arrested).
and, if the perpatrator was a 100% U.S. citizen, would you have even mentioned this story? or, claim he should be 'deported', as well?
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 3:03:00 PM
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not that I am a "fan" or supporter of Illegal immigration.....but, that last comment sure makes it sound like only the "rich & wealthy" (who have tens of thousands of dollars to spend on immigration lawyers and the such) to "bribe" their way through the system....to pay and get the "right" to live here?
doesn't sound like Ellis Island to me....(then again, not everyone went through there, either...millions flowed in "illegally"...off of ships at ports...primarily in the Southeast....and in the West....)
Having a lawyer is not completely necessary, but it helps a lot.
I know this because I have friends who have asked me for prayer through step after step of the legal immigration process.
I will be the first to admit that the current immigration system is a complete screw-up, and half of the fix for the illegal immigration problem will be to make it easy, cheap, and quick for non-criminals to get workers permits and come in, so we know where they are, we know what they're doing, we can make sure they aren't treated horribly by their employers, and we get the appropriate taxes applied.
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and, if the perpatrator was a 100% U.S. citizen, would you have even mentioned this story? or, claim he should be 'deported', as well?
If the perpetrator was 100% US citizen, I would still be mad that he had been arrested 16 times and never even tried for his crimes. The guy should not have been on the streets. Being an illegal immigrant, that goes double. The fact that he was unable to be even processed in Denver because of the "sanctuary city" fiasco perpetrated by the mayor adds insult to injury.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 7:54:40 PM
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If you deport an illegal alien...won' he just come back?
Throw the guy in jail where he belongs...and then charge Mexico for the cost
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 9:32:12 PM
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In a tragic stroke of irony, the boy is the son of a family of legal immigrants, who spent years and thousands of dollars to enter this country properly.
If they were illegals would their lives be worth less?
Leviticus 19:33-34
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 10:12:50 PM
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If they were illegals would their lives be worth less?
Where on earth did you get that implication from?
The guy is a criminal, and for more reasons than being in this country illegally.
The fact that he was allowed to continue to go free SIXTEEN TIMES and commit more crimes simply because this is a "sanctuary city" and they couldn't do anything to him because the mayor decided to tell the police to completely disregard the law is a travesty of justice.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/10/2008 10:55:43 PM
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In a tragic stroke of irony, the boy is the son of a family of legal immigrants, who spent years and thousands of dollars to enter this country properly.
If they were illegals would their lives be worth less?
Leviticus 19:33-34
Wow.
I'll see your Leviticus 19:33-34 and raise you an Exodus 20:13.
Maybe you didn't read the linked story, so I'll save you the trouble of looking for it:
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Police said Francis Hernandez, 23, was driving without a license when he ran a red light last Thursday and triggered a chain reaction crash that killed 3-year-old Marten Kudlis; Patricia Guntharp, 49; and Debra Serecky, 51.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/11/2008 12:49:24 AM
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If they were illegals would their lives be worth less?
Where on earth did you get that implication from?
The guy is a criminal, and for more reasons than being in this country illegally.
The fact that he was allowed to continue to go free SIXTEEN TIMES and commit more crimes simply because this is a "sanctuary city" and they couldn't do anything to him because the mayor decided to tell the police to completely disregard the law is a travesty of justice.
It sounds like it is more of an issue with the revolving door justice system.
Whenever the assailant is an "illegal" all "illegals" are insinuated as being killers, drug dealers, gang members and that stereotype is a bunch of racist tripe! That guy killed three people that's horrible! But it would be just as horrible as if an American citizen that did it!
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/11/2008 9:23:12 AM
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In a tragic stroke of irony, the boy is the son of a family of legal immigrants, who spent years and thousands of dollars to enter this country properly.
If they were illegals would their lives be worth less?
Leviticus 19:33-34
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Leviticus 19:33-34
what's the deal with pulling out a "Leviticus' to prove a point?
I could pull several "Leviticus" passages....that, in today's world, tell us to do ALL SORTS of crazy things (stone to death disrespectful kids, for one)....
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/11/2008 11:28:03 AM
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It sounds like it is more of an issue with the revolving door justice system.
Whenever the assailant is an "illegal" all "illegals" are insinuated as being killers, drug dealers, gang members and that stereotype is a bunch of racist tripe! That guy killed three people that's horrible! But it would be just as horrible as if an American citizen that did it!
"Illegal aliens" is not a race. They come from every country, every ethnic group, so you can't call stereotypes of illegals racist (unless the stereotype is that all, say, Bangladeshi people are illegal aliens). Not all illegals are killers, drug dealers, and gang members, but all illegals are criminals, by definition. This is very unfortunate. As I said previously, we need to fix the horribly broken immigration system so that people who are not otherwise criminals, who just want to work, can get here easily, legally, cheaply, and safely, in a way that does not tax our welfare system to the breaking point. At that point, anyone who is *still* illegal has no excuse and most likely has a criminal record, and the number of people that ICE needs to deal with will be drastically reduced.
In Denver alone, the estimated number of illegal immigrant gang members is 12,000. Denver is not really a "gang ridden" city, we don't even really have ghettos in the sense that most people expect. Half the gang members in LA are illegal immigrants. The statistics at http://www.charlotteconservative.com/index.php/2007/05/illegal-immigration-statistics/ are pretty astonishing. 95% of the murder warrants in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens, as are 83% of murder warrants in Phoenix and 86% of murder warrants in Albuquerque. 43% of food stamps are issued to illegal aliens, as are 41% of unemployment checks and 58% of welfare payments. On average, 12 citizens are murdered every day by illegal aliens.
Do you not see why this is a problem? Things cannot keep going this way, and stamping your feet and calling people racist and unChristian whenever they point out that this is a problem is certainly not going to fix it.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/11/2008 11:49:25 AM
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It sounds like it is more of an issue with the revolving door justice system.
Whenever the assailant is an "illegal" all "illegals" are insinuated as being killers, drug dealers, gang members and that stereotype is a bunch of racist tripe! That guy killed three people that's horrible! But it would be just as horrible as if an American citizen that did it!
Thank you for validation my point about being called a racist if you speak up about this (post #7): LINK
It is not insinuating that all illegals are killers, drug dealers, etc. but rather prove that NOT ALL ILLEGALS ONLY COME HERE TO WORK AND DO JOBS THAT AMERICANS WON'T DO. Even George Bush said that!
Actually, it should be clarified to say that they are doing jobs Americans won't do AT SUCH A LOW WAGE.
Unemployment is at a 5-6 year high yet we are employing 15 million illegal aliens. Get rid of the illegals and put unemployed people in those jobs.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/11/2008 1:57:35 PM
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Actually, it should be clarified to say that they are doing jobs Americans won't do AT SUCH A LOW WAGE.
what happens when the appropriate number of workers cannot be found for a "low wage"?
wages go UP.
I look at "fast food" restaurants and retail stores here.....they are considered "minimum wage" jobs, right? hardly. The "market" has pushed the wages of those jobs to well over $10/hour in many cases around here. Thus, making the "minimum wage" quite obsolete.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/11/2008 2:50:49 PM
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Actually, it should be clarified to say that they are doing jobs Americans won't do AT SUCH A LOW WAGE.
what happens when the appropriate number of workers cannot be found for a "low wage"?
wages go UP.
I look at "fast food" restaurants and retail stores here.....they are considered "minimum wage" jobs, right? hardly. The "market" has pushed the wages of those jobs to well over $10/hour in many cases around here. Thus, making the "minimum wage" quite obsolete.
That's the way it should be, let the market control the demand and wages rather than the government setting the minimum wage. Why do you think that many factory workers complain about their wages for manual labor? Many of them know you can go to a fast food place and make more money.
The appropriate number of workers can be found; cut off the perpetual welfare and if you want to feed yourself or your family YOU WILL WORK.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/12/2008 1:27:37 PM
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It sounds like it is more of an issue with the revolving door justice system.
Whenever the assailant is an "illegal" all "illegals" are insinuated as being killers, drug dealers, gang members and that stereotype is a bunch of racist tripe! That guy killed three people that's horrible! But it would be just as horrible as if an American citizen that did it!
Thank you for validation my point about being called a racist if you speak up about this (post #7): LINK
It is not insinuating that all illegals are killers, drug dealers, etc. but rather prove that NOT ALL ILLEGALS ONLY COME HERE TO WORK AND DO JOBS THAT AMERICANS WON'T DO. Even George Bush said that!
Actually, it should be clarified to say that they are doing jobs Americans won't do AT SUCH A LOW WAGE.
Unemployment is at a 5-6 year high yet we are employing 15 million illegal aliens. Get rid of the illegals and put unemployed people in those jobs.
An unemployed engineer of professional won't take a job as a farmworker, dishwasher or gardener for worse money than his unemployment benefits are.
And racism does play a role in people's views. As a fair skinned blue eyed person of Mexican descent (yes, they do exist) people share with me their views about illegals in a non-PC way because they think due to my light coloring that I'll agree with them that we have to deport all them dang Mexicans!
Here's a truth that conservatives need to finally wrap their minds around. No matter how many fences you build or security measures you put in place at the airport you will never stop illegal immigration. As long as this country remains the land of opportunity and freedom ,people will find a way in. What you need to do is find a way to get them into the system faster so they can "pay their fair share".
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/12/2008 1:28:30 PM
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It sounds like it is more of an issue with the revolving door justice system.
Whenever the assailant is an "illegal" all "illegals" are insinuated as being killers, drug dealers, gang members and that stereotype is a bunch of racist tripe! That guy killed three people that's horrible! But it would be just as horrible as if an American citizen that did it!
"Illegal aliens" is not a race. They come from every country, every ethnic group, so you can't call stereotypes of illegals racist (unless the stereotype is that all, say, Bangladeshi people are illegal aliens). Not all illegals are killers, drug dealers, and gang members, but all illegals are criminals, by definition. This is very unfortunate. As I said previously, we need to fix the horribly broken immigration system so that people who are not otherwise criminals, who just want to work, can get here easily, legally, cheaply, and safely, in a way that does not tax our welfare system to the breaking point. At that point, anyone who is *still* illegal has no excuse and most likely has a criminal record, and the number of people that ICE needs to deal with will be drastically reduced.
In Denver alone, the estimated number of illegal immigrant gang members is 12,000. Denver is not really a "gang ridden" city, we don't even really have ghettos in the sense that most people expect. Half the gang members in LA are illegal immigrants. The statistics at http://www.charlotteconservative.com/index.php/2007/05/illegal-immigration-statistics/ are pretty astonishing. 95% of the murder warrants in Los Angeles are for illegal aliens, as are 83% of murder warrants in Phoenix and 86% of murder warrants in Albuquerque. 43% of food stamps are issued to illegal aliens, as are 41% of unemployment checks and 58% of welfare payments. On average, 12 citizens are murdered every day by illegal aliens.
Do you not see why this is a problem? Things cannot keep going this way, and stamping your feet and calling people racist and unChristian whenever they point out that this is a problem is certainly not going to fix it.
Absolutely! I live in the Denver/Aurora area and they aren't joking when they say that ICE fails to respond to a lot of calls. We have a friend who is high up in the Aurora PD and it really is becoming a larger and larger problem. The gang activity is also a serious problem, my DH's younger adopted siblings come from a family of gang activity and it is definitely dangerous. Actually, it's the only thing we really worry about living in this area as it's generally safe.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/12/2008 2:37:25 PM
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Yeah, Denver is kind of weird about that isn't it? The "bad" part of town moves around a lot. We were shocked when we visited Chicago and saw all the burned-out warehouse areas (from the train) that were apparently dangerous gang areas according to locals, and when our friends warned us about not even driving into certain areas because we might get ourselves killed. We've never really thought about that in Denver.
I've lived in Colorado since I was 2, and hubby and I have lived in Denver off and on for over a decade now. We're in Lakewood atm, and the "scary" part of Colfax 15-ish years ago now has a shiny new shopping center with a brand new Walmart and so on. And the part of Aurora that used to be the big fancy shopping area I went to when I was a kid is now "dangerous". And of course they've completely revamped LoDo, though the area I volunteered in when I was in college is still mostly poor subsidized housing (though I never felt like I was in any danger when I was down there walking around doing volunteer work).
But it does seem like things have gotten worse since Wellington Webb declared the "sanctuary city" thing, just watching the news. Though it seems like a lot of people have gotten sick of the whole thing, with that new "impound" law going through (basically if an unlicensed driver gets pulled over, their car gets automatically towed and impounded) despite all the yelling that it's unfair to illegals (who are presumably driving around without licenses.) The news has just been ablaze lately with this sort of thing, it seems every week there's a new one.
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/12/2008 3:19:03 PM
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Yeah, Denver is kind of weird about that isn't it? The "bad" part of town moves around a lot. We were shocked when we visited Chicago and saw all the burned-out warehouse areas (from the train) that were apparently dangerous gang areas according to locals, and when our friends warned us about not even driving into certain areas because we might get ourselves killed. We've never really thought about that in Denver.
the "old neighborhood" i grew up in in Detroit was like that....you REALLY have to look HARD to find a "good part of town" there....rampant crime....dilapidated buildings and all.....
and, yet, back in those days, very, very few "illegals" to be "found". Illegal immigration really didn't start to get noticed up there until the mid-1980s....I am assuming that, before then, most "traditional illegal immigrants" (from Mexico, Central America), didn't venture that for north.....but, that's just MY guess....
i guess there could have been some of the estimated more than 600,000+ illegal alien Canadians that are currently living here in the U.S.....but, then, who would know?
there was a VERY large Polish community...Poletown...where Polish and ONLY Polish was spoken....illegal immigrants probably lived amongst the community there. But, they LOOKED like "you and me", so it wasn't an issue. (Today, the numbers of illegal Polish immigrants in the Northeast are VERY high....)
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RE: Car hits Baskin Robbins - 9/12/2008 8:06:26 PM
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Rockwall
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ORIGINAL: mapachito13
An unemployed engineer of professional won't take a job as a farmworker, dishwasher or gardener for worse money than his unemployment benefits are.
Surely you are not foolish enough to think that the majority of those that are unemployed are engineers? Let's get real. Also, many that are unemployed are on perpetual welfare and have no intention of finding another job. Why should they get a job considering how much some can get with government handouts?
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ORIGINAL: mapachito13 And racism does play a role in people's views. As a fair skinned blue eyed person of Mexican descent (yes, they do exist) people share with me their views about illegals in a non-PC way because they think due to my light coloring that I'll agree with them that we have to deport all them dang Mexicans!
Maybe they are fed up with all that the illegal aliens are getting and we have to pay for. I know I do and so do countless others I know. As a 2nd generation American-Mexican, I too have been discriminated: by the illegals! Many of them despise Chicanos and have no problem telling you that.
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ORIGINAL: mapachito13Here's a truth that conservatives need to finally wrap their minds around. No matter how many fences you build or security measures you put in place at the airport you will never stop illegal immigration. As long as this country remains the land of opportunity and freedom ,people will find a way in. What you need to do is find a way to get them into the system faster so they can "pay their fair share".
Here's a truth that many liberals need to finally wrap their minds around: if we give all the illegals amnesty this country will be bankrupt in a few decades. The majority of Mexican illegals do not have a high school diploma and are low skilled (therefore they have lower paying jobs). Which means they will be entitled to more government aid than those with children are already getting. Do not forget that Social Security will go bust years sooner also.
These are the numbers for TX alone, New York and California are higher:
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Costs of Illegal Immigration to Texans: Executive Summary
Analysis of the latest Census data indicates Texas’s illegal immigrant population is costing the state’s taxpayers more than $4.7 billion per year for education, medical care and incarceration. Even if the estimated tax contributions of illegal immigrant workers are subtracted, net outlays still amount to more than $3.7 billion per year. The annual fiscal burden amounts to about $725 per Texas household headed by a native-born resident.
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The more than $4.7 billion in costs incurred by Texas taxpayers annually result from outlays in the following areas:
* Education. Based on estimates of the illegal immigrant population in Texas and documented costs of K-12 schooling, Texans spend more than $4 billion annually on education for illegal immigrant children and for their U.S.-born siblings. About 11.9 percent of the K-12 public school students in Texas are children of illegal aliens.
* Health Care. Taxpayer-funded medical outlays for health care provided to the state’s illegal alien population amount to about $520 million a year.
* Incarceration. The uncompensated cost of incarcerating illegal aliens in Texas’s state and county prisons amounts to about $150 million a year (not including local jail detention costs or related law enforcement and judicial expenditures or the monetary costs of the crimes that led to their incarceration).
Illegal alien burden LINK
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