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Can some Christians see auras? - 8/15/2008 10:15:13 PM
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slimon11
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I know there have been several threads on visions as such, just wandering what you specifically believe regarding auras.
I started a thread last weekend on discernment. I was told that those with charismatic orientations may define "discernment of spirits" as a gift that gives supernatural powers. Would that be like seeing auras? Thanks.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/15/2008 10:38:05 PM
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In terms of that promoted by Todd Bentley, no.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/16/2008 12:22:10 AM
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I've never seen an aura. I can't imagine any reason on earth why anyone should. If it does not glorify God to see one, than it's pointless.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/16/2008 1:22:16 AM
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I started a thread last weekend on discernment. I was told that those with charismatic orientations may define "discernment of spirits" as a gift that gives supernatural powers. Would that be like seeing auras? Thanks.
Uh... there is a gift of discernment, and it has to do with discerning whether something is of God or evil I think. The power to do that is from God and is for the benefit of the body of Christ being built up into Him.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/16/2008 2:44:33 AM
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Would that be like seeing auras?
Would seeing something like the shekinah that was seen in Moses be seeing an aura? I'm referring to a radiance that comes from knowing and spending time with Jesus. This certainly isn't a common phenomenon but I'd like to think it is a possibility.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/16/2008 10:52:24 AM
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I know there have been several threads on visions as such, just wandering what you specifically believe regarding auras.
Well it is a scientifically proven fact that people have auras and that some are much expanded as opposed to others. To say that some people do not have the ability to discern these auras would be pretty short sighted.
I have had complete strangers approach me and comment on mine…go figure. 
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/16/2008 9:51:32 PM
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Hello, I hope you are all having a good day! Thanks for your thoughts. To help you better understand how I am defining the term, here are some ideas from someone that believes in auras:
This person informed me that auras show a person’s true nature at any given moment. She described that true nature is what is left when we recognize and discard all our habits, stereotypes, manners, and pretending, superficial behaviors, etc. She further explained that some people are so attached to their facades and habits that it is very hard, if not impossible, to discover who they really are. This person believes that an aura can give an instant insight into someone’s personality, their health, the strength of their faith, etc.
If the above is indeed true and seeing auras is indeed a gift from God, then I could see how this insight would be very useful when witnessing and ministering to others.
Bob97, can you tell us a little more about the science you are talking about?
Thank you.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/16/2008 11:21:43 PM
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my cousin (he is blond) gives off an aura when he is photographed..... people who don't realize that blond hair reflect light are amazed at the phenomenon.
I have heard about other blonds who share the same photographic experience.
bob97:
what is the scientific proof that explains the reason behind the non photograph aura?
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/17/2008 12:23:27 AM
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If the above is indeed true and seeing auras is indeed a gift from God, then I could see how this insight would be very useful when witnessing and ministering to others.
I know this is new age teaching. Curious as to where in the Bible we see this as a gift from God?
Discernment is not a 'gift' that give supernatural powers.
As far as Moses goes....that was not an aura....if you cannot support this type of teaching from Scritpure....which I know you cannot, then it is not a Godly pursuit. Either we believe what Scripture has to say, and abide by that, or we are following other spirits. Seeing 'auras' is not a Christian pursuit. As this is so, a person should not be messing with it.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/17/2008 12:25:03 AM
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This person informed me that auras show a person’s true nature at any given moment. She described that true nature is what is left when we recognize and discard all our habits, stereotypes, manners, and pretending, superficial behaviors, etc. She further explained that some people are so attached to their facades and habits that it is very hard, if not impossible, to discover who they really are. This person believes that an aura can give an instant insight into someone’s personality, their health, the strength of their faith, etc.
This is straight off a site on new age teaching. It is not a gift from the Holy Spirit.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/17/2008 1:43:39 AM
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Hello, I have been doing online research this week, reading blogs and such regarding discernment. Many bloggers have described their supernatural experiences with this gift. I have cut and pasted a general example of what some people say they experience. I am interested to see if most agree or disagree with part I put in bold.
Thank you!!
THE GIFT OF DISCERNMENT:
The gift of Discernment is the special ability that God gives to certain members of the body of Christ to distinguish the source of spiritual activity. It clearly reveals whether the activity is divine, human, or demonic in origin.
• The Holy Spirit gives a person supernatural insight into the spiritual realm, revealing the correct source and activities of spirits.
• The Gift of Discernment is revealed in many forms:
- mental images - some people see form or shapes, dark presences of evil spirits.
- visual perceptions - some people actually see things like little creatures, on homes, people, etc.
- voice of the Holy Spirit - The Holy Spirit tells the person that there is demonic or humanistic activity going on.
- an alarming feeling within - You sense a disgusted, bothered, extremely dark, or heaviness about a place or person
• I have actually had this happen to me in a couple of different times and places.
1. Every time I walk by hot topic - no matter what mall, or state it is in, I get a heavy wearisome feeling. I believe the
Lord was showing me that there are evil spirits influencing that store in some way or another. I am in no way telling
people not to shop there. Just be careful there is demonic influence in some way with those stores.
2. There have been a couple of times when I was with a group that the Lord warned me about the influence and
intentions of some young men that began to flirt with some of the girls in the youth group.
- an unusual manifestation of a spiritual presence - sometimes a person possessed or influenced by a demon will act in strange
ways, may foam at the mouth, shake violently, etc.
• It reveals the motives and spiritual intentions of another person said to be functioning on behalf of God, without judging their character or faults.
• This gift provides safety and protection for the people of God by exposing the actions or intentions of those knowingly or unknowingly determined to deceive believers.
http://www.uturnsandy.com/uturn/sermon/gifts%20of%20the%20spirit/giftofmiracles.htm
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/17/2008 1:46:20 AM
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Do you have a Scripture that you could suggest that would lead us to believe that they can?
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/17/2008 3:12:45 AM
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quote:
ORIGINAL: slimon11
Hello, I have been doing online research this week, reading blogs and such regarding discernment. Many bloggers have described their supernatural experiences with this gift. I have cut and pasted a general example of what some people say they experience. I am interested to see if most agree or disagree with part I put in bold.
Thank you!!
THE GIFT OF DISCERNMENT:
The gift of Discernment is the special ability that God gives to certain members of the body of Christ to distinguish the source of spiritual activity. It clearly reveals whether the activity is divine, human, or demonic in origin.
• The Holy Spirit gives a person supernatural insight into the spiritual realm, revealing the correct source and activities of spirits.
• The Gift of Discernment is revealed in many forms:
- mental images - some people see form or shapes, dark presences of evil spirits.
- visual perceptions - some people actually see things like little creatures, on homes, people, etc.
- voice of the Holy Spirit - The Holy Spirit tells the person that there is demonic or humanistic activity going on.
- an alarming feeling within - You sense a disgusted, bothered, extremely dark, or heaviness about a place or person
- an unusual manifestation of a spiritual presence - sometimes a person possessed or influenced by a demon will act in strange
ways, may foam at the mouth, shake violently, etc.
• This gift provides safety and protection for the people of God by exposing the actions or intentions of those knowingly or unknowingly determined to deceive believers.
http://www.uturnsandy.com/uturn/sermon/gifts%20of%20the%20spirit/giftofmiracles.htm
Thankyou for this post. I always thought I had the gift of discernment. You have described what I do.
As for auras we know that scientifically they do exist but I don't think we can in any way use them as a reliable way of judging peoples character. Such as people born under the same star sign may exhibit similar personality traits but this also should not be taken as a way to know someone or to predict the future etc. In all occult practices there is a certain level to which they work otherwise people wouldn't do them or follow/believe in them. One of the dangers of being a spiritual christian is that we would seek to use occult spiritual gifts or accept spiritual phenomenon as just being a "new thing" that God is doing*....don't bother, stick to the ones that the holy spirit gives, if it's not in the bible then don't use it. Gifts that are unbiblical often come with added extras like fear of the dark or fear of satan and other nasty phenomenon. Yeah I am speaking from experience.
*God indeed does new things but when these new things resemble old things that have gone on in other faiths and practises it's often a good time to stop and test them.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/17/2008 8:54:29 AM
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I have seen auras.
Just before getting a migraine headache.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/17/2008 10:28:03 AM
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Sorry but I don’t recall now…it was in some national publication, I think it was the National Geographic. Anyway the auras were photographed and measured and of course they were described as an energy field.
A voluminous amount of literature exists today on the human aura, the psychic energy-field surrounding the physical body, and accesible to clairvoyant vision. Scientific researchers such as Walter J. Kilner at London's St Thomas Hospital early in the century (The Human Atmosphere, 1911), Oscall Bagnall, a Cambridge biologist (The Origin and Properties of the Human Aura, 1937), Harold Saxon Burr and F.S.C. Northrop of Yale University (Fields of Life, ), the Russian husband and wife team Semyon and Valentina Kirlian, who invented the High Voltage or Kirlian photographic technique in the forties, and many others set out to describe and measure the more physical properties of the aura (equivalent to the theosophical "Etheric Body"), and were often persecuted and ridiculed for doing so.
Many today discount these findings, saying they don’t exist.
Let me ask you…does the human spirit exist and has anyone ever observed it or proven scientifically that the spirit exists? The whole spiritual realm is invisible to us.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/17/2008 12:30:04 PM
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The Bible defines the Spiritual gifts....we do not choose which ones we want and they are given for the edification of the body. Aura reading is not a gift of the Holy Spirit. I am quite sure that people see things....it does not mean that God is revealing them to them. The extent of literature generated and read by people interested in the spiritual ream is enormous. The Word of God directs us to have nothing to do with how the world interacts with the spiritual realm.
Some people have the idea that if it is 'spiritual' it must be God. That would be where discernment comes in. You learn to discern by studying the Word of God....not by having freaky experiences. All kinds of religions have these types of experiences.
The Word of God is superceded by absolutely NOTHING, ZERO, ZILCH, NADDA.........if you wish to contradict the Bible, you are free to do so, but understand that God will not protect you from the results of your enquiries.
The Holy Spirit IS God (3 in 1). NO ONE tells Him what to do.
You may be interested in pursuing such things, but know for sure, that what you will experience is most definitely not God and most definatley not the Holy Spirit. If this warning does not apply to you, you will not be offended by it.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/18/2008 12:52:52 PM
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This may end up being a long post... so I apologize upfront
First, a couple of things about me.... I was raised in a Southern Baptist NON (strooooong emphasis on non) charismatic home/church. I have been saved since age 6, always active and learning with my faith, I now go to a pentecostal church, consider myself 'bapticostal' because I still have a lot of SBC doctrine I believe over Assembly of God. I also have always considered auras a bunch of new age hogwash.
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Yes I have seen an aura 1 time. It didn't cause me to sin, I believe it was sent by God as a warning.
About 2 months ago, my brother (who is a weak christian, if really saved) and I were out eating breakfast 1 saturday. All the sudden I got a 'bad feeling' kind of like a heavyness, almost like the air got very humid but not hot. I looked up and started to look around and there was a man standing at the breakfast bar when I saw him there was a sick pale purple/gray cloud around him. He had tattoos all over him including something that looked like the Lord of the Rings elven script across his chin. He was wearing a death metal group tee. I didn't stare but as he got closer the heavyness got stronger. I looked down at my food, took a bite and looked up as he walked by. When he got close to me he glared at me and got this look on his face like he wanted to throw up, anger, revulsion all mixed. I do not hear voices, don't claim that God talks to me daily, but just as clear as if someone was standing next to me I heard, "he is demon possessed." He stared the whole way by me, my brother said he kept looking over at us. A lady that was with him didn't have tattoos but her tee shirt was even more graphic (gross). He got up and went back to the bar and did the staring thing again. I looked at my brother and said we needed to leave right then. My brother didn't see anything until we were outside and I told him.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/18/2008 1:07:23 PM
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You know, the Bible tells us not to look for or be involved in this type of thing. Period. It is not a Scriptural practice. Period. You may have had this happen, but this does not sound like an aura. An aura is not opaque and not a cloud. You may have experienced the heaviness within the man as a result of demonic activity in and around him. Does not sound like an aura.....and again, looking for auras is NOT found in Scripture.
Therefore, the discerning person should not practice looking for or reading them. Fortune tellers also exist.....we are not to have anything to do with them either. Alot of things exist and they are forbidden for Christians. Clearer now?
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/19/2008 2:28:57 AM
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You know, the Bible tells us not to look for or be involved in this type of thing. Period. It is not a Scriptural practice. Period. You may have had this happen, but this does not sound like an aura. An aura is not opaque and not a cloud. You may have experienced the heaviness within the man as a result of demonic activity in and around him. Does not sound like an aura.....and again, looking for auras is NOT found in Scripture.
Therefore, the discerning person should not practice looking for or reading them. Fortune tellers also exist.....we are not to have anything to do with them either. Alot of things exist and they are forbidden for Christians. Clearer now?
I agree with this post wholeheartedly.
that doesn't sound like an aura, that just sounds like a demon posessed person and discernment. I have had a few people who didn't know me take an instant hatred towards me. I guess we shine something that they just don't like  .
In the bible demons recognised Jesus and shouted at him. They wouldn't have seen his earthly face before (would they?) so they must recognise the holy spirit.
Don't be frightened of demons(they are an already defeated enemy) but do leave places if God tells you to! --I am unsure as to wether you can cast demons out of people that would rather keep them*. And I wouldn't want to try it while they are running at me with a knife or something.
* does anyone know the answer to that?
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/19/2008 10:45:38 AM
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Don't be frightened of demons(they are an already defeated enemy) but do leave places if God tells you to! --I am unsure as to wether you can cast demons out of people that would rather keep them*. And I wouldn't want to try it while they are running at me with a knife or something.
* does anyone know the answer to that?
Jesus said that if we cast the demon out of someone who does not know how to keep them out, the demon will come back with 7 more worse than the original one. I wouldn't mess with that. 
However, I do think it is correct to pray that an individual so bothered, with demons, would be able to have a clear mind in order to accept Jesus and ask for help.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/20/2008 12:34:08 PM
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Well it is a scientifically proven fact that people have auras and that some are much expanded as opposed to others. To say that some people do not have the ability to discern these auras would be pretty short sighted.
Bob and others-
generally, the research noted: kirilian photography, etc., has been "debunked." None of this stands up to decent science.
This is how pseudo-science works: they come up with some idea that most of us will kind of believe, then they throw a bunch of scientific-sounding terms around, then throw some data at us.
In contrast, these types of things are easy to debunk.
What it takes is a rational mind, and looking at things piece by piece before these pseudo-scientists throw their kooky meandering explanation all over you, then follow up with testimonials.
In one study regarding auras, here is how they debunked the idea.
going from the beliefs of the aura people:
1. everyone has an aura.
2. it extends beyond the physical body, kind of like a glow.
3. some people can see these auras.
the auroa peole will all agree to these three ideas.
as soon as you start to work on these three, they try to run on to some other nonsensical or peripheral topic.
but looking at these three ideas of auras. think about it. if a few people, all regular height, but none taller than 5 foot 11 inches, were all standing still behind a long wall 6 foot tall, then the aura-seeing person on the other side of the wall could indicate exactly where the bodies were. as long as those on the other side of the wall were 1. alive 2. not moving.
also, obviously, nothing funny going on such as: the people can't be moving around, or wering a tall hat, etc.
this obviously follows the ideas i listed above, to which all of the aura people agree.
well this study was conducted. the aura people could not identify where the people on the other side of the wall were standing.
the same type of debunking goes on for psychic stuff. people willignly believe that the mind can move all kinds of things, one person can read another person's mind, etc.
but it is not difficult to come up with decent, reasonable studies to show these things just do not happen.
Sure, there are times when I think about my mom and two seconds later the phone rings and it is her. She calls a few times a week. Even a broken clock is gonna be correct twice a day. she calls some of the time. I think of her some of the time. This just happens.
Similar to the "aura" energy field is the Riki "therapeutic touch."
a schoolgirl debunked this.
the rikki healers say that the body has an energy field, just like aura, it reflects how you are doing (like a mood ring).
so, this school girl got an idea for a science fair project.
ok: th ideas that the rikki people agree to:
the body has a force field or enegy field or aura extending beyond th boudary of the physical body.
it can be perceived by some one trained in rikki therapeutic touch.
so, this girl set up a divider on a desk. the divider had two holes in it. the rikki healer or practitioner or whatever they want to call themselves put each hand /forearm through one of the holes. the girl held her hand close to either the right or left hand of the rikki healer.
now: the rikki healer should be able to detect whether the girl's hand is near the rikki healer's right hand or left had, correct? remembre: the rikki person can't SEE but should be able to FEEL the aura of the girl's body.
the rikki people failed. done. they should have been ble to guess corectly 50% of the time. if they were able to feel this energy field, what do you expect the portion of correct guesses would be? 75%? almost 100%?
in this school girl's study, they were 'correct' 44% of the time.
People: if you believe this stuff: you can go and repeat these studies yourself.
Yes, we do happen to have some electromagnetic field to our body - but it does not extend very far. If you shuffle your feet on carpet in cold weather, then touch metal, you will get a shock. That electricity is 'around' your body. but it is nothing like these aura and rikki people declare. and nothing like the kirilian photographs. it is verty difficult to measure, and only extend maybe half an inch. and it has nothing to do with mood or karma or happiness. shuffle your feet on carpet in cold weather - and extrovert and an introvert will get shocked. a sad person and a happy person will get shocked.
what is true is that we humans have some sort of need to seek out and believe these types of things. the deeper meaning. the deeper consciousness of the universe.
well, there are a lot of wrong ways to do this and one right way. a narrow way.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/20/2008 1:14:50 PM
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Row1, with all due respect…it seems that you have successfully debunked these things in you own mind. Regarding auras…I personally have never observed such a thing…does that make me a non believer, not at all but I don’t worry about them and I don’t go looking for them.
Is God a Spirit…I think the answer is yes but I have never seen him. Do we have angels taking care of us? Well the bible says we do but once again I have never seen one. Are there such a thing as radio waves, have you ever seen one?
My point is, there are many things surrounding us that we cannot observe. Some of them are evil but if we belong to Christ, most are Holy. To out of hand discount things beyond our ability to observe is without reason.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/20/2008 2:53:49 PM
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God has given me the gift of discernment at certain times to know when someone is evil when all the facts pointed to a different conclusion - I usually even hoped I was wrong about the person. But when I've had the discernment, it has always been right.
I have never seen an "aura" of any kind, only an internal "nudge" I recognize from the Holy Spirit to mean that a person is not what he seems and to be on guard.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/20/2008 4:05:03 PM
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One of the gifts that God has most often exercised through me is the gift of discernment. I can't tell you how many times the Holy Spirit has revealed to me things that I should have had no way of knowing about people.
It has absolutely ZERO to do with auras.
I'm not saying that God couldn't use something visual to speak to us, but I can't think of one single instance where God utilized in Scriptura an occultic practice to reveal His Truth (and auras are straight from the occult). None.
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RE: Can some Christians see auras? - 8/21/2008 2:34:11 PM
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I've never seen auras, but that doesn't mean that God cannot or has not revealed it to others. I am not sure if this is what you are referring to, but in Eastern Orthodoxy, there is a term called Uncreated light (Light of Tabor, divine energies) that has been experienced by some. For example, Moses' face shone with radiance; Peter, James and John saw the light around Christ at His Transfiguration, Paul saw the Light at his conversion etc. My knowledge is very limited, but I have read that some people especially touched by the Holy Spirit more recently have been seen with light radiating from them, for example, St. Seraphim of Sarov.
I would be very careful regarding anyone claiming they see auras, especially without a life of repentance and deep humility, there is so much false spirituality going around.
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